bart_dude Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/7944 i cant decide over this, or my plan on customizing the new ARMY GOLD MEU'S Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 dont think its a clone as such more a tie up between the two companies (Im pretty sure there were some kalash publicity photos released two or three months ago that had a small gas blowback logo on them suggesting they were going to do a deal with GHK) Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlesticks4220 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 hmm gas ak maybe steel? Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 RK01S externals (the PR stuff mentions as steel outer barrel too), I suspect the usual GHK zinc alloy internals Be interesting to see the price Link to post Share on other sites
bart_dude Posted May 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 man i dont even know what i want now i mean it sounds pretty obvious in words, a trust worthy MEU approved by so many people or some clone GBB AK with no guarentee in quality, with like no? aftermarket parts? BUT COME ON ITS A GBB AK!! DAMMIT anyone care to help me out? Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Boyi/Kalash made a deal with GHK to not release their clone version of the model for next 3 months, so need to wait it out its on final stages but it wont be released before the time passing because of the agreement with GHK. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 man i dont even know what i want now i mean it sounds pretty obvious in words, a trust worthy MEU approved by so many people or some clone GBB AK with no guarentee in quality, with like no? aftermarket parts? BUT COME ON ITS A GBB AK!! DAMMIT anyone care to help me out? Is pretty much same design as GHK used originally by looks of it, so theres a whole set of aftermarket steel internals available: 1 company do the fireselect parts, 2 companies are doing the bolt carrier, and 1 of those is doing an NPAS adjustable bolt and a CNC'd aluminium hop up unit Other than the springs, the mag, and the recoil rod you can pretty much buy every part from a third party so I wouldnt say its got no aftermarket parts Link to post Share on other sites
bart_dude Posted May 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 is the design efficient? how high is the gas consumption? alright guys got exams now ttyl Link to post Share on other sites
MegaMan3k Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Is this the gas in magazine GHK AKS74U or the external gas GHK AK? Or am I getting confused and some other company was modifying GHK AKs to use external air? Link to post Share on other sites
leejinwen Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 GOLD MEU'S? Link to post Share on other sites
iwanejko Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 my understanding of the original GHK, was that they only transplanted their GBB mech into the body of a kalash ak. surely then, this is nothing new from what we have already in the market........ I think it will be very interesting to see if this is the same or (hopefully) lower price. cheers Rich Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 i think it'll be interesting to see how cheap Dboys' own mags will be thats was a major turn off for me right from the GHK's announcement. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 tbh Im not sure how low the mag price could ever really go - GHK's 45 bucks per mag was better than price for the various M4 GBb mags doing the rounds - most folks in the M4 camp would have bitten your hand off for mags at that price three ways I can see this gun going If they stick out same gun, same material for internals and same price I dont see it being that successful as its likely to be plagued with same hassles as the original. They could drop price significantly versus what GHK were asking - that would make the unreliability pill a bit easier to swallow but ultimately, short of giving them away for next to nothing, I dont see many folks willing to spend much of anything on a gun that cant be relied on holding together for more than a few mags of use. best option would be to stick with GHK style pricing but up the internals - better materials, bit tighter tolerances and an adjustable NPAS bolt as standard. Power thats tuneable for a variety of skirmish conditions/local laws, and parts that dont see you reaching for the chequebook to replace them with steel parts the same day you take it out the box. Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Is this the gas in magazine GHK AKS74U or the external gas GHK AK? Or am I getting confused and some other company was modifying GHK AKs to use external air? are you thinking of daytonagun? GHK made a gas in mag design, while daytonagun convert AKs to use an externally powered escort based system. no one was modifying GHK for external use. @snorkelman: i know that the GHK mags are more reasonable than the likes of the WA M4, but still at $45 a pop that works out at $450 to carry 500 odd rounds loaded in mags. add the cost of the actual gun, upgrades to replace some of the brittle stock parts and the long term costs of gas and you're looking at a very expensive primary. personally, i just dont have that kind of money at the moment, and if i did i'd probably rather go the daytonagun route. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 i would buy it if the price was below 300. i would expect to have to replace the internals with stuff from DG and RAtech. however, it doesnt bother me to buy either if the price is the same. if the price is the same, ill still be buying the GHK AK105 instead of the 74u. Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 i would buy it if the price was below 300. i would expect to have to replace the internals with stuff from DG and RAtech. however, it doesnt bother me to buy either if the price is the same. if the price is the same, ill still be buying the GHK AK105 instead of the 74u. price will be very low when DBoys release it, i would wait for that one Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 how come you flaunt the info you have in our faces and never actually just tell us the info? you should make your own thread called "the *suitcase* i know about clones" or something and just lay it down every time you find something... Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 how come you flaunt the info you have in our faces and never actually just tell us the info? you should make your own thread called "the *suitcase* i know about clones" or something and just lay it down every time you find something... ok, i dont talk about prices anymore as it seems to upset some people, sorry if i offend anyone for that, wont happen again. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 @snorkelman: i know that the GHK mags are more reasonable than the likes of the WA M4, but still at $45 a pop that works out at $450 to carry 500 odd rounds loaded in mags. add the cost of the actual gun, upgrades to replace some of the brittle stock parts and the long term costs of gas and you're looking at a very expensive primary. personally, i just dont have that kind of money at the moment, and if i did i'd probably rather go the daytonagun route. bearin mind that the mags weigh in at 530 grammes with caplet and BBs (just an ounce or so over the weight of a real mag) AEG midcap tips the scales at just under 180 grams, so to carry ten of the GHK mags around you'ld be humphing 5.3kilos - pretty much equivalent of 29 AEG mids.. likelyhood is most folks would settle for three or four and get used to reloading a bit more regularly. far as the brittle parts go comes down to wether they lower the price significantly versus GHK and stick with same materials for those parts, or wether they upgrade the materials used and maintain the GHK pricepoint (in either case cost of the gun plus any neccessary upgrades is likely to be similar to the current GHK asking price) The daytona is a definate option if folks are willing to go the external route but if 450 dollars on mags for the GHK is a bit rich for them then I dont see 550 to 600 bucks for a decent HPA setup (tank, regulator, hoses, quick disconnect fittings, fill adapter and bulk store scuba tank) going down all that well either.. much more consistent and cost effective in long run but does come with compromises of its own Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 ok, i dont talk about prices anymore as it seems to upset some people, sorry if i offend anyone for that, wont happen again. what? they wouldnt get mad at you. your the guy who knows, they have to deal with it. thay have no right to get angry at you and you dont have to change just cause people get angry. nobodys going to show up at your door with angry mob cause you gave them some info. feel free to flaunt your information, its more annoying to know that you know and yet, dont say. i hope you understand that correctly. Link to post Share on other sites
Guinness Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 what? they wouldnt get mad at you. your the guy who knows, they have to deal with it. thay have no right to get angry at you and you dont have to change just cause people get angry. nobodys going to show up at your door with angry mob cause you gave them some info. feel free to flaunt your information, its more annoying to know that you know and yet, dont say. i hope you understand that correctly. lol I think he's referring to when he said that the Army MEU's were "expensive" at $60 bucks because he knows how much they cost to make- I suggested that in comparison to what we have been paying historically for Airsoft guns, that this recent 'wave' of mid-to-higher quality GBB's, AEG's and accessories at honestly great low prices was in fact a God-send to 99.999% of the Airsoft public. no one got mad, I guess there may have been a translation mis-understanding- but then again as you said he is in a 'unique' position to have a better knowledge of how the industry works, and since this is primarily a forum of Airsoft consumers it might be wise to 'know your audience' if you will and tailor your message accordingly It'd be like being on a Car-Fan forum as a industry insider and saying "Yeah, those new Dodge Challengers are nice, sure sucks that all of ya'll are paying $24,000 more than it cost to make that car..." Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 lol I think he's referring to when he said that the Army MEU's were "expensive" at $60 bucks because he knows how much they cost to make- I suggested that in comparison to what we have been paying historically for Airsoft guns, that this recent 'wave' of mid-to-higher quality GBB's, AEG's and accessories at honestly great low prices was in fact a God-send to 99.999% of the Airsoft public. no one got mad, I guess there may have been a translation mis-understanding- but then again as you said he is in a 'unique' position to have a better knowledge of how the industry works, and since this is primarily a forum of Airsoft consumers it might be wise to 'know your audience' if you will and tailor your message accordingly It'd be like being on a Car-Fan forum as a industry insider and saying "Yeah, those new Dodge Challengers are nice, sure sucks that all of ya'll are paying $24,000 more than it cost to make that car..." that is one reason why i have been trying to be extra careful to not reveal the true price, because i know that might make some retailers unhappy, and i try to be more careful in future with no extra comments on the prices. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites
Guinness Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 that is one reason why i have been trying to be extra careful to not reveal the true price, because i know that might make some retailers unhappy, and i try to be more careful in future with no extra comments on the prices. Cheers I think we all greatly appreciate your information and insight into new products Sir! please continue your excellent reporting! Link to post Share on other sites
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