Elite Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Im leaning towards getting the TM from what ive heard it seems to be the best m14 compared tp other makes. My mate who i airsoft with has had bad experiences with his CA m4 - wiring failed and incompatibilty with other brand mags which ive heard is also the same with their m14s. At the moment the TM is cheaper than both at £280 the g&g is around £340 but comes with a higher cap mag What do you guys think? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites
Jon L Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 If you have a look around uk shops all three brands are around the £260-280 mark. Just down to your preference really two guys at my local both have m14s one a tm the other a ca and they both love them to bits, never had a problem with them. Link to post Share on other sites
Hay3z Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 TM without a doubt... TM hopup = Godlike Link to post Share on other sites
druid799 Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 TM without a doubt... TM hopup = Godlike totaly agree , the TM M14 hop was created by some god like person , both my 14"s came out of the box running around 280-290fps and they both kick the b"jesus out of most gatts on the field for accuracy and range (and thats not just my guns by some fluke , seems to be most TM14"s) . Link to post Share on other sites
Elite Posted January 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Do the AGM mags work with the TM m14? theyre like half the price of the TM mags at actionhobbies Link to post Share on other sites
youngblood Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 totaly agree , the TM M14 hop was created by some god like person , both my 14"s came out of the box running around 280-290fps and they both kick the b"jesus out of most gatts on the field for accuracy and range (and thats not just my guns by some fluke , seems to be most TM14"s) . thirded. If you find the right BB combo with your m14 socom, it is amazing! The best ones i've used with it so far are the biovals 0.27's. They are the clear ones (cuz they are made with starch). Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Im leaning towards getting the TM from what ive heard it seems to be the best m14 compared tp other makes. My mate who i airsoft with has had bad experiences with his CA m4 - wiring failed and incompatibilty with other brand mags which ive heard is also the same with their m14s. At the moment the TM is cheaper than both at £280 the g&g is around £340 but comes with a higher cap mag What do you guys think? Cheers I wonder why you guys are getting railed on prices for G&G M14's still.. they can be had stateside for 240-260$ new... at ASGI with cupon you can get them for 220$ with free shipping stateside... Regardless... There is this link here that highlights my personal views of the M14's from personal experience. My primary gripes about the TM encompass every aspect of the gun. It comes off as a toy, a very cheap toy, and for the price of one stateside (around 360$) they are definetly not worth the price. Externally, stock feels cheap and toyish, the heatshield (which on all airsoft M14's suck but is more tollerable on the G&G) is VERY cheap plastic, and the metal bits are not as durable as metal would leave you to believe. Internally may not be as big of a deal for you guys across the pond, but having to fork out the $$ to gut the internals is a huge let down, and the fact that with aftermarket gears the cut off lever wears very quickly, the entire system seems like a boat load of FAIL. The G&G on the other hand, address thoses issues for the most part, completely. The G&G's primary let down is that the heatshield is still bleh, and the plastic stock version still doesnt feel as nice as the real M14's stock, but thats the difference between fiberglass and Polymers. Performance wise, maybe in stock form teh TM outperforms the G&G, but I dont see how a TM would be anymore accurate than the G&G post upgrades to the hop up unit. The G&G stock rubber does suck, (the black ones, I hear the new green ones are good), but those are cheap as chips so I dont see that as a huge reason to not get one. If you are deadset on getting a TM based gun, forwhatever reason, buy the CYMA as it's everything the TM should have been, including a very solid stock and the best of the hop up units. The best part about the entire kit is that it comes with 6.04 tightbore stock, metal bushings, and is 100% V7 compat at a much cheaper price than the TM. Otherwise, get the G&G... Seriously... But dont take my word for it I havent owned 5 M14's (1 TM, 2 CA's (NM and Scout length) and 2 G&G's (Veteran and Standard)) or anything Link to post Share on other sites
Elite Posted January 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Cant get cyma m14's over here, Ive seen an AGM m14 at actionhobbies but its not the socom version and apparently theyre really bad in terms of reliability and probs with the mags etc. Ive read up considerably more on m14's since initially posting and people do seem to favor the TM more. I'll prob have a ride down to firesupport and try out both the TM and G&G ill be able to see there and then which is the most accurate and looks/feels the best. Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Cant get cyma m14's over here, Ive seen an AGM m14 at actionhobbies but its not the socom version and apparently theyre really bad in terms of reliability and probs with the mags etc. Ive read up considerably more on m14's since initially posting and people do seem to favor the TM more. I'll prob have a ride down to firesupport and try out both the TM and G&G ill be able to see there and then which is the most accurate and looks/feels the best. I have to admit, I certainly did not help that case at all... when I joined this forum and became an active member it was after my purchase of the TM and during G&G's bad QC. I was a die hard TM Fanboy and converted a lot of people myself to the TM bandwagon. I can't emphasize how greatly I'd like to change that in light of recent purchases. About the time the CA M14 came out, G&G sorted out their QC issues, and at the time, I gambled on the purchase of one for the sake of a review, and was thuroughly bitten by CA's shoddy internals. I remained highly skeptical of G&G even after purchasing my first CA. After getting some money to mess around with I purchased my First G&G and have never spoken so many positive things about any particular AEG in my life. There isnt any airsoft gun I would hand over my G&G M14 Veteran for. NONE. I spent close to 200$ upgrading my TM M14 internally, by the time I was done and had it reliable I was so sick of the gearbox I sold it to my roommate who gladly used and still uses it to this day. It's a solid gun, but it is not without it's flaws. My TM M14, went through hell. Thats an understatment. Out of it though the TM showed its true colors and what an indepth review SHOULD have brought up. The metal is very very weak. My Roommate during his possession utterly destroyed the TM Faux bolt, in my posession the Op Rod "Guide" (the part on the right side of the reciever) broke, the hole for the scope mount stripped out and paint was starting to flake off. All of these parts were replaced with AGM parts (he bought an AGM before buying my TM). I had my TM for 2 years before selling it. I've owned my G&G for 3 years, and it has been through far worse than that TM has ever been through and so far has no broken metal parts, no broken bolt, no broken Op rod guide, no stripped out scope mount hole, no paint stripping, a few dings and dents in the wooden stock and some bare metal poking through the flash hider. Internally I ran it stock into the ground. At 80,000 rounds I opened it up for the first time to give it a once over and clean out the grease. It had bits of dirt in it from where I fell on it a few games prior but nothing mechanically wrong. The piston did show some signs of wear but not enough for me to be overly concerned about. At an estimated 125,000 rounds I opened it up again to double check the piston and decided it was time to replace that. Keep in mind, I may have shot all of 3000 rounds in full auto in this gun. The cut off lever is in flawless condition, the motor brushes are still 75% there. I have fallen on this gun a stupid amount of times and it only added more character to my wood stock. She's been used in every game I've played since the day I got her and she hasnt given up on me. I can't say that for either the TM or the CA. I think, when you get down to fire support you will find that the TM will most likely shoot better out of the box. So be it, in it's STOCK form they are excellent guns for reliability and range. But what I think you will find is that when you compare it to the plastic stocked G&G M14 you will quickily realise exactly what it is I'm talking about when I mention durability of metal parts. The G&G is just a much more solid and nice gun than the TM. I want you to remember one thing, and thats performance is subjective. If you NEVER EVER EVER plan on opening the gearbox, I can see why you'd want a TM, but by the time you want to get to 330 FPS or 350 FPS (if your site allows) you will feel the pain that is upgrading the TM... The G&G, for all intents and purposes, already chronos 330 FPS out of the box, yeah, the stock hop up rubber isnt that great, so of course the G&G would seem very inferrior to the TM performance wise... but what happens when you take and push the platform to it's limits, OR what happens when you level the playing field, bring the TM to 330 FPS and replace a hop up rubber and nub in the G&G? Who do you think will win performance wise? I can guarentee, that they will be close enough you wont have any idea which is the better, at which point what truely matters about the gun? The externals... Back full circle to Externals again... I've already gone far enough on that point... truely I have... but when you purchase an AEG, what is the most important thing about the gun? Certainly performance is huge, but with a little bit of money, performance can be equalized and all you are left with is the shell for which the gun is based around, and to that, the TM is inferrior in just about every way shape and form. I'd also like to address your concerns about magazines as I realize I failed to do so in my previous post. During my TM fanboyism I purposely overlooked the fact that none of my TM standards fed very well. After massive amounts of maintenance they did feed well enough in semi auto, but on full auto they'd stutter. The only magazine that ever fed reliably was the hicap. The same problem occured AGAIN with me when I bought 11 TM 68 round standards for my G&P gun. None of them fed, switched to my ICS, none, tried it in a friends CA, no reliable feeding... G&G magazines, certainly are proprietary (CA and G&G are compat, CA has a bunch of midcaps) I have NINE G&G standard mags for my M14. From day one untill this day, I have not applied a single drop of silicon oil to these mags, and I have not had a single hiccup in feeding, no jams, nothing. Not a one. What are the odds of that happening with nine magazines? Want furthur proof? My Friend purchased 5 G&G m14 standards. When fed through my G&G, not a single misfeed or jam. Fourteen magazines and not a single failure to fire? Surely thats not right... Considering I've had my 9 G&G magazines since the day I purchased my first CA M14 (3 almost 4 years ago) and they have never had any maintenance performed on them, and have survived the sands of Arizona to the fine earth of the Midwest, I would say thats quite the testiment to the quality of product here. To now show how much I really dont care what way you go, Either the TM, or the G&G, which ever you choose, you wont be disappointed. The entire M14 platform is an epicly good platform. I for one wont forgive my TM for basically imploding in my hands when it comes to externals, and I've been nothing but impressed with the quality of my G&G. I hope whatever route you go, you enjoy it to it's fullest Link to post Share on other sites
Elite Posted January 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Im leaning towards the g&g i must admit peacekeeper. Ive read a few reviews of the socom version and the build is described as being excellent. Im just concerned about the hopup, how does it compare to the tm version in terms of accuracy? cheers Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Im leaning towards the g&g i must admit peacekeeper. Ive read a few reviews of the socom version and the build is described as being excellent. Im just concerned about the hopup, how does it compare to the tm version in terms of accuracy? cheers Can you handle a 12$ more on the price tag? If so then I doubt you'll notice a difference. My G&G M14 Veteran, at 383 FPS w/ .25's (stock mind you) and a madbull 6.03, Guarder black hop up rubber and H nub (the 6.03 is unnecessary as the G&G has a 6.04 stock, in total, about 16$ extra cost wooo!) and I can reach out to 80 yards with 60% confidence that I can hit my target. In other words, 6 out of 10 shots can be reasonably assured to hit a man sized target at 80 yards with at most 20$ worth of extra cost to the G&G. Now stateside that bumps the total cost to a whopping 260$ shipped. I dont know about across the pond unfortunately! If you are really concerned about the hop up, be assured that the G&G m14 and CA M14 hop up unit is the same unit used in the AUG, a proven accurate hop up unit. The hop up rubber is truely the only weak point and is cheap to replace Link to post Share on other sites
DODcrazy Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Wow peacekeeper you make me really glad I bought my m14 walnut version (lower energy spring too). I mean, wow. I've only put about 15k rounds through it so I guess it's got a long life ahead of it. I will buy a tightbore and bucking soon for kicks but I already hit man sized targets at 200+ feet. Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Wow peacekeeper you make me really glad I bought my m14 walnut version (lower energy spring too). I mean, wow. I've only put about 15k rounds through it so I guess it's got a long life ahead of it. I will buy a tightbore and bucking soon for kicks but I already hit man sized targets at 200+ feet. I always recommend the Veteran stateside, it's a heck of a lot better platform than the standard version (better compression components) and if the 430 FPS stock is a bit too high then a new spring is cheap Otherwise, the G&G M14 is an excellent platform, from my wildly interesting experiences with my 5 M14's, the only brand of M14's I buy now are G&G, they are the only brand I recommend when budget allows simply because they are amazing. One of the local police officers that plays with us, calls his G&G SOC16 "cheating" because at 400 FPS, no one else on the field (bar me and like one other person) can get the range on him and in full auto it's like a laser Link to post Share on other sites
DODcrazy Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 One of the local police officers that plays with us, calls his G&G SOC16 "cheating" because at 400 FPS, no one else on the field (bar me and like one other person) can get the range on him and in full auto it's like a laser THAT'S EXACTLY how I've described mine before lmao. A laser. People at my local games have come up to me at the beginning of games and are either upset that I'm not on their team or happy I am because of the thing's accuracy. Like I said I bought the lower energy spring version (they make the veteran which has the high energy spring, and the lower energy spring model which only difference from the veteran is the spring and they're the same price) so I can tell it's going to last for a loooong time. Link to post Share on other sites
Elite Posted January 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Ive ordered a g&g m14 soc 16 from airsoftworld looking forward to getting it Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 THAT'S EXACTLY how I've described mine before lmao. A laser. People at my local games have come up to me at the beginning of games and are either upset that I'm not on their team or happy I am because of the thing's accuracy. Like I said I bought the lower energy spring version (they make the veteran which has the high energy spring, and the lower energy spring model which only difference from the veteran is the spring and they're the same price) so I can tell it's going to last for a loooong time. There is alot more differences between the Veteran and the Base model M14's and price is one of them. I own both (Veteran first, she's my baby ) and have done more than my fair share of staring at the epic engineering that G&G did in the gearbox. It's beautifull, so much so it's almost disturbing. It's just a well designed system. Anyway, Congrats on the purchase, I really hope you had the opportunity to go and check out both guns before purchasing so that it wasnt just a few people's words on the build quality. The G&G's are fantastic guns, I never go to a game without my Veteran. I've decided to attach a list of the changes between the base model G&G M14 and the Veteran Version, they are different: -Woodstock, it's not walnut, it's a painted wood, but it's very durable -Bearing Spring guide, my V4 had a pseudo bearing spring guide, just a big fat plastic washer instead of bearing plates -Steel Cylinder Head, plastic on the V4 -Aluminum Piston Head, again plastic on the V4 -O-Ring airnozzle, consequently, I'm not sure if the base model has one or not, my V4 does not, but I've heard reports that others do.. -M120 Spring (is actually an M130 Spring) -Higher Torque Motor, supposedly It used to be that all base model G&G M14's had 6mm plastic (then 6mm metal) bushings, and the Veteran had the 2x8mm bearings and 4x7mm bearings as well as the high torque motor, I believe the motor and gearbox have carried over to the base model. The gearbox with bearings definetly has, but I'm not sure if the motors are the same or not. Congrats again on the purchase Excellent choice, and may she serve you well! Link to post Share on other sites
Elite Posted January 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 I didnt have a chance to test each gun out im afraid. I bought the G&G m14 from airsoftworld its £55 cheaper from their shop and £10 cheaper than the TM m14. I looked through a number of reviews and no one has had anything bad to say about G&Gs latest version m14s, exterior quality has been described as very good in a number of review/descriptions and their gearboxs are heavier duty than TM gearboxs with upgraded components i.e. gears, bushings The only downside is the fact that magazines are limited. With the CA m14s being based on the G&G model how are their magazines, do CA mags work well in the G&G? cheers Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 I didnt have a chance to test each gun out im afraid. I bought the G&G m14 from airsoftworld its £55 cheaper from their shop and £10 cheaper than the TM m14. I looked through a number of reviews and no one has had anything bad to say about G&Gs latest version m14s, exterior quality has been described as very good in a number of review/descriptions and their gearboxs are heavier duty than TM gearboxs with upgraded components i.e. gears, bushings The only downside is the fact that magazines are limited. With the CA m14s being based on the G&G model how are their magazines, do CA mags work well in the G&G? cheers They work in the G&G M14 Veterans so I dont see why they wouldnt work in the regular. I've heard reports that they dont though despite being the same design. I know the opposite is true though, G&G mags do work in CA's. I think CA's mags are more prone to tollerance variance from batch to batch than G&G. Having said that, while G&G mags are expensive they are VERY VERY nice Link to post Share on other sites
DODcrazy Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?...roducts_id=2681 That's the one I bought. Notice the only difference being the spring lol. Evike has both versions too, although airsoftgi doesn't have the high energy spring model. Link to post Share on other sites
jesse100 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 got a tm one a few weeks ago and spent the whole sunday getting tested the other side kept complaining i had a hot gun. tested to be 295 totaly stock on iron sights. one of the staff summed it up "it`s a TM M14 guys live with it" now it`s got a tight bore barrel and a scope it will probably cause more complaints. Link to post Share on other sites
L4byr1nth Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Sorry for a bit of a necro, but I have a question. My return to airsoft may be a little sooner than I had anticipated. I'm currently looking at an M14 as a DMR rifle. Sort of a cheap stop-gap between fully-fledged sniping, as I was doing before, and normal AEG airsofting (as I'm currently not sure how much time I'll have to airsoft - no point buying another £700.00 VSR if I can only use it twice a year). My two questions are; 1./ Is there any difference in actual range between the full length TM M14 and the TM M14 SOCOM? I've heard that the SOCOM is quiet, and is thus perfect for sneaky sneaky. I will be attaching a scope and suppressor. 2./ What kind of RIS options are there? Will a RIS made for the full-length not fit the SOCOM? Ben. Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 ive a cyma socom, and the range matches a full length TM one. as for quiet, its no quieter than any AEG i think. unless its a screechy-gearboxed clone! as for a ris, they are available, example, no idea on full length/socom issues, although i cant see any, as its only barrel length which differs. apologies for not quite answering, but hope it helps Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Sorry for a bit of a necro, but I have a question. My return to airsoft may be a little sooner than I had anticipated. I'm currently looking at an M14 as a DMR rifle. Sort of a cheap stop-gap between fully-fledged sniping, as I was doing before, and normal AEG airsofting (as I'm currently not sure how much time I'll have to airsoft - no point buying another £700.00 VSR if I can only use it twice a year). My two questions are; 1./ Is there any difference in actual range between the full length TM M14 and the TM M14 SOCOM? I've heard that the SOCOM is quiet, and is thus perfect for sneaky sneaky. I will be attaching a scope and suppressor. 2./ What kind of RIS options are there? Will a RIS made for the full-length not fit the SOCOM? Ben. 1.) Not really no, nor is there much difference in sound level between the full length and SOCOM. The quietness comes from TM's gearbox, something that can be replicated in other variations with some work on AEG internals. AEG's are still not what I'd consider quiet, although a supressor certainly helps on the muzzle end, it will do nothing for the gearbox noise. The only option there is to find a way to sound proof the stock, to which I can assure you, the TM doesnt have a whole lot of room to do that with. 2.) The only reason a RIS wouldnt fit is if you dont remove the SOCOM rail prior to installation If you remove that rail, all other rail units designed for the TM should fit and work fine. The stock lengths are identical in both, the only change (for airsoft anyway) is the barrel length and front sight, thats it. I'm not sure where you plan on taking this, being as you are in the UK. I'm imagining the most FPS you'll want is 350 w/ .20's? If thats the case the TM may be better suited, but dont rule out the G&G offering just because you've heard of the magical TM hop up goodness, G&G offers a better package externally and gearbox wise for cheaper than the TM, a hop up rubber, nub, and if you are so inclined a tightbore barrel change is all it would take to match the performance of the TM. Especially if you go to the lengths you went to with your VSR to minimize inconsistencies. Not to mention the fact that there is more room in the stock for a G&G to be quieted down and a bit more battery space too for larger batteries and electronics for better trigger response and consistency. Link to post Share on other sites
L4byr1nth Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Thing is, as I said, I'm not sure how often I'll be able to get out skirmishing. I'm not looking to pump loads of money into it, and as range is my main focus here, I'll be keeping the gun stock. The thing I wanted to know was whether there was a lot of difference because of the barrel length, but I guess not. Ben. Link to post Share on other sites
The lolinator Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 Surely a sorbo pad will help with a lot of gearbox noise? and it's cheap I know with my m14 socom the only difference between the full length and the socom is the front end, which means that almost all m14 pieces will fit on BOTH length m14 (as URpeacekeeper said, you will need to take off the socom rail, but that's a very easy task). I am converting my socom to a full length just for the look and ben, the m14 is a great gun, you won't be disappointed Link to post Share on other sites
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