Sledge Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 As pointed out, he has no proof the goods were sent. He either owes you the goods or a refund. I suggest getting a mod to PM him, as if he is unwilling to refund you, he should be banned. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 seems pretty obvious hes a *beep* of the highest order 100 percent feedback, satisfied buyers? goes for nothing if his mailouts have always went smoothly and he's never had a problem to resolve before Guess its only when theres a prob needing fixed that you see folks true colours 12 quid too someone feels his rep inst worth whats less than the cost of a takeway to put things straight? says it all stevie Link to post Share on other sites
pronteer Posted January 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 really is disgusting isnt it and its £12.50 i want every single penny back from that .......... arghhh Link to post Share on other sites
pronteer Posted January 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 now he sends me this!! "no!!!!! i said ages ago that i didnt send it recoreded as it cost too much" all of a sudden, he told me he was sending it via normal post! even though a few days ago he was telling me he sent it via recorded but he lost the slip! now he's changing his story!!!! damn him! Link to post Share on other sites
5thElement Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 What a bellend Link to post Share on other sites
Hissing_Sid Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 He doesnt have it anyway. only people that actually properly track things are courier companys, RM just rack "in the system" and "delivered" <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's not the point. The seller can use the tracking number to prove that the parcel hasn't been delivered or, if the buyer tries to pull a fast one, can use it to confirm that it HAS been delivered. In the former case the seller can use it to verify their claim against the post office. In the latter case he can use it to tell the buyer to go f**k themselves. Snorkelman makes a good point too. Is somebody who is so proud of a 100% positive ebay reputation gonna throw it all away for £12.50? The buyer says he hasn't received the goods. The seller already admits delaying once and now we are expected to believe that he DID send them and then failed to provide any evidance to support this? Surely anybody with such a good reputation doesn't get it by disputing claims they can't actually verify? In the mean time I agree with Sledge; I'd suggest giving all these people an "Untrustworthy" tag and banning them from the sales forums. [edit] I've sent people stuff like mags and whatnot and it costs about £2.50 to send something that size by registered post. Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Calvert 2 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 right! first of all its not sam wiggin so if you thinking of having a go at him it isnt, i was using his account to contact pronteer. I sent the mouse as soon as the cheque cleared. pronteer asked me to send it recorded delivery which would have cost much more than to the original £2.50 that we agreed as it wieghed too much to go as a small parcel (if you look at the forum thread which shows the mouse it comes in a tin box which added teh wieght onto parcel so i couldnt send it special delivery) in hindsight i should have sent it recorded delivery but i didnt know about it then. the way i look at it is that for all i know, pronteer could be trying to rip me off by getting his £12.50 back. i sold and aeg to elitesniper and he was pleased with his with it. i sold a battery to a guy called selker and he was please with it http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/inde...showtopic=43800. wouldnt scam someone £12.50!!! it isnt fair to put my rep donw one point when i have sold many things on this forums to people who have been very happy with what the things they bought. i could put pronteers rep down 1 point but im not as it wont help him get his mouse. u prob wont beleive me but the only thing that has happend to it is that royal mail has lost it in my opinion cos there is nothing else that could have happend unless pronteer atually has it. you will most likely say that im a scammer but i asure ou that im not. you can ask selker if you want and ask him what he thinks of me or elitesniper. Link to post Share on other sites
cracker Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 you have NO proof that he received it (or that it was ever sent) legally it is the SELLERS responsibilty to make sure the item arrives safely and is as-described and fit for purpose (i.e working and complete) pronteer fulfilled his end of the contract by paying you the agreed money, and you have NOT fulfilled your end of the contract whether or not you sent it, whether or not it got lost, you have NO proof it was sent, and NO proof it was received. you are legally obliged to make sure he gets his goods or refund, end of story if you are saying that £12.50 is not a big deal then why do you have such a problem refunding it to him. it doesnt matter how many good deals you have done in the past, this one has not been completed successfully. YOU have made the mistakes in not obtaining proof of postage/delivery, so its YOUR fault and YOU are responsible for correcting the problem edit: and no you cant put pronteer's rep down, he hasnt done anything wrong, he fulfilled his end of the bargain by sending you the money (which you have admitted you received) so therefore there are no grounds to -rep him. YOU however, have not supplied the goods and are refusing a refund, so its quite permissable for him to -rep you Link to post Share on other sites
MDT Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 i'd have to agree entirely with the above said. Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost_Rider Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Paul, until such time as Pronteer recieves either his mouse or his money, you will not be permitted to trade further on these boards. You have NO Proof you sent it, and no way of verifying it reached it's destination. That is YOUR fault for not using a suitable postage method. You could have resolved this very easily - as has already been pointed out, it is YOUR responsibilty to ensure Pronteer recieved his goods. Your EBAY feedback means NOTHING here, and all that I see is someone who has failed to follow through on a trade. The community nature of the sales forum ceases to function if issues like this are not resolved, and until such time as it is I see no reason to allow you to continue to use them. Link to post Share on other sites
5thElement Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Not sure what to make of this now, surely if the buyer ultimately agreed to have the package sent uninsured by regular parcel post (which i assume he did, despite asking to have it sent recorded he didn't seem to offer any additional money to cover registered/special delivery) Isn't it the buyers fault for not offering the extra money for insured mail? I guess it's not gonna get resolved eitherway it's just his word against the other guys and vice versa. Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Calvert 2 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 OK all i can say is that i sent the mouse but due to royal mail being *beep* im gonna have to pa the price for not using a posting method that doesnt have tracking. I ll send the £12.50 of as postal orders on thursday. please could i have your address pronteer Link to post Share on other sites
PariahWolf Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Let this be a lesson to all. Even if sending uninsured you can ask the post office to give proof of sending for free. Next time get proof. Link to post Share on other sites
pronteer Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 i never agreed to normal post! i always go with either recorded or SD, thats the way i always do it because i want to avoid situations like this! Link to post Share on other sites
pronteer Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 here's a PM proving he "sent" it via recorded delivery: "for special delivery it would have cost £5 mate. i already cut the price down already so i want going to do that. the receit is in my mums purse so i will be able to give you a tracking number this afternoon " Link to post Share on other sites
pronteer Posted January 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 the situation now is that his told me he is sending a postal order for £12.50 asa refund he sent them on 20th jan let see if they turn up... Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Calvert 2 Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 pronteer recived payment over 2 weeks ago and didnt let me know so can i now sell on teh forums again? thanks and can i get my warning removed aswell as rep points? Link to post Share on other sites
pronteer Posted February 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 got them on the 25th Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Calvert 2 Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 pronteer got the mouse this morning. better late than never so ill be getting teh mouse back soon anychance that i can get my postive rep point back pronteer? and wen will my warning level be taken down? Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost_Rider Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 pronteer got the mouse this morning. better late than never so ill be getting teh mouse back soon anychance that i can get my postive rep point back pronteer? and wen will my warning level be taken down? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Now that pronteer has confirmed your trade has been resolved, you can trade, but i certainly wouldn't reccomend Pronteer restore your rep - it's still justified, but I've edited the text of the neg rep to indicate that the issue was resolved eventually. Link to post Share on other sites
TheBauer Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 So The mouse arrived as well? a whole month after posting? geez Link to post Share on other sites
Sledge Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 And what's the moral, kiddies? Always keep your receipts and tracking numbers. Link to post Share on other sites
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