Jagdraben Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Feel free to wonder if I have any life, now. But, since I'm pretty much modding my CA36 into a weapon that wouldn't look too out of place in the hands of a KSK operator, I've decided, "What the hell, may as well give it a shot." That and I can always say that I'm a KSK advisor attached to the PMC troopers that make up the rest of my team (or something). So... woodland KSK kit. Something low drag. Of course, it also has to be able to match the colors of Montana as it changes from Spring (green) to Summer (brown) and finally into Fall (red, yellow, brown) and then Winter (snow! Of course, this is covered by snow coveralls). The kit should include: -Hydration (canteens or bladders), -A ration bag (ie: butt pack), -A pouch for storing a radio (ideally in a location where a head set/throat mic set up wouldn't require such a long cord that it gets in the way of everything), and -Storage for six to eight 30-round G36 magazines. An MP7 holster or would be a plus (or space for it), as would space for by black ka-bar and it's kydex sheath. Neither are required, though. The kit should also include all applicable clothing items outside of webbing, EXCEPT boots (which I have) and goggles (which I have). Finally, the budget: I'm a college student and I'm supposed to be saving money. So try to make it relatively inexpensive, without jeopardizing the impression. Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 So webbing isn't an option? Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted June 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 It's an option. Why wouldn't it be? *Wonders if he said something to that effect....* Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 I got confused about the "outside of webbing", sorry. In that case, your cheapest option is to get webbing, then on tac gear.de you can get these double pouches, which are really 2 pouches together, each one holds 2 g36 mags. So 2 lots will hold 8 mags. Then get a general purpose pouch, a radio pouch an a canteen pouch, all of that is on flecktarn.co.uk, and the mag pouchers are fr om tac gear.de Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted June 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 Spiffy. I think I like Tacgear's smock better than most of the others. Not too expensive, but it has that nice velcro stuff for making my patches nice and reusable.... Link to post Share on other sites
Ubar Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 standard webbing isnt exactly 'KSK' Tasmanian tiger do some quality vests which look more the part, as seen is quite a few pictures of the real guys Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 I have this one: http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/fltvv1nx.html and it is good, it depends on how much you want to spend though. Link to post Share on other sites
Agent Orange Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 carrera goggles and balaclavas seem to be pretty popular with the KSK. Link to post Share on other sites
QuiN Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 There's a german kit-guide here. I have an issued KSK-Vest and can strongly recommend it, but it costs ~500€ if you don't get an used one. Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted June 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 And where do I find it, used or other wise? Link to post Share on other sites
QuiN Posted June 4, 2006 Report Share Posted June 4, 2006 I suggest this board, http://www.khs-industries.com/community/, there are offered ksk-vests from time to time. Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted June 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 I think I need to study German for a few more semesters before I start buying used gear off a German website. And, for the record, I've had nothing but bad luck with vests. My SAAV, which cost me $30, has the exact amount of quality you'd expect in a $30 vest. My $200 Israeli vest seems to be quality, but it's by and large a dud, as it doesn't stretch long enough to really fit me and it has too many pouches for things I don't need that many pouches for, don't know what the pouches do, and/or lacks the types of pouches I'm looking for. (It is, in short, not the vest I thought I was ordering.) The only load-bearing gear that has performed as well (or better) than I expected is my Chinese AK chest rig that I bought for $30, fresh from the factory, back when I thought I wanted to do an OpFor look and wanted the ICS AK74M (ie: Before I saw Doom the movie). But the mag pouches are too deep for G36 mags, and then there's the problem of having no hydration unit or storage for canteens, and no place to put my lunch and snacks. I like the appearance of some of those TT items, though: The Ammunition Vest, the Chest Rig, and the MTS Vest. Are those MOLLE systems on the vests? EDIT: Also, I've seen jury-rigged magpulls on the magazines used by the KSK. Are they just two mags stuck together with some string tied in a large loop between the connectors? EDIT2: For webbing off of, well, nearly every site I've seen, other than Flecktarn.co.uk (like Global Army Surplus, for instance), I'm a bit concerned about whether or not the webbing best would actually fit me (I'm about a 38 or 40, in Yankee waist size... not exactly a common size). Link to post Share on other sites
QuiN Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 What about this vest, the KHS/CCG Vest. It has 4 doublemag pouches for the G36, 4 pouches for everything else and a pouch on the back for a hydration unit. I remember a guy selling one in flecktarn in the board i posted above.... The KSK uses the mags stuck together and fixed with ducktape. the string is also just fixed with ducktape. The webbing should fit you, there are several waist belts from 85cm-125(?)cm. But it's nothing for serious KSK-reenactment. Link to post Share on other sites
bodycount_bsk Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Right, the German webbing is not for KSK use You could try the Tasmaninan Tiger Chest Rigg it cost about 120€ and is also very nice, i have one and im very happy with it. you can get one from www.flecktarn.co.uk or buy one in Germany at www.asmc.de Or if you have enough money buy your IDZ gear from flecktarn.co.uk, the IDZ system (infanterist der Zukunft = Soldier of the fortune) is the new issued Webbing of the Bundeswehr and the KSK troops wear this stuff too i think, its like the molle system But its also quite expensiv. But Quins ideas are also pretty good, because the KHS/CCG west and the KSK west are also used by the KSK Link to post Share on other sites
QuiN Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 (infanterist der Zukunft = Soldier of fortune) .... ? Erm you mean "soldier of the future", soldier of fortune is something completely different. I can also recommend the Arktis Classic Chest Rig, which is issued at the KSK - costs only around 80€. btw: M4 and flecktarn.... that hurts. ;| Link to post Share on other sites
bodycount_bsk Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 Hey quin the m4 hurts? dann leide! Okay my translation of idz is not the best But the Arktis Rig is so small and not modular and he wants a vest where he can store about 6-8 Mags a canteen etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Maple-Leaf Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 I had one of these in woodland Flecktarn once - I didn't like the funny clips that hold the pouched shut, and I found that the upper pouches got in the way when shouldering/firing a rifle. I've found the Tac-Gear Specialist Chest Rig and the TT Chest Rig to be the best all-rounder. By the way, the new version of the TT Chest Rig with the MTS attachment points (German equivalent of MOLLE) looks like the best by far. see image attached. The Arktis Advanced Chest Rig is also very good, but it lacks the extra attachment points of the TT. Link to post Share on other sites
ApeMan Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 The IdZ stuff does look awesome, and you'll certainly be 'one-of-a-kind' with it. Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted June 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Right, the German webbing is not for KSK use You could try the Tasmaninan Tiger Chest Rigg it cost about 120€ and is also very nice, i have one and im very happy with it. you can get one from www.flecktarn.co.uk <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You mean this? Link to post Share on other sites
Maple-Leaf Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 You mean this? Yes, but see the new version in my post (#17) above. Also its available from Recon Company, BW TT Chest Rigg Flecktarn, Item Nr.: 79350, for €120. Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted June 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 JKT1: Oh. OK. Thanks! Uh... what sort of pouches do I need for those? MOLLE? ALICE? bodycount_bsk: Which item is in the second picture in your post? The TT Chest Rig(g) or the IdZ? Or something else or...? Link to post Share on other sites
bodycount_bsk Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 this is my chestrigg, the same on the first picture, but i tought you would like to see the full vest For the new chestrigg, you can use all molle pouches, or , the best way, the Tasmaninan tiger pouches, because they have also molle (mts) loops and they are high quallity. On the old chestrigg you can use the regular BW pouches because they have the issued webbing system. Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted June 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Spiffy, thanks! Are the pouches closed using the buckles or is there velcro, too? <--Hates velcro closures on pouches. And... most everything else, too. EDIT: And can someone get me a close up of a jury-rigged magpull on a G36 magazine? Pretty please? So that I don't do it completely wrong.... Link to post Share on other sites
Jagdraben Posted November 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Thoughts: Spring/Summer/Fall/Winter (no snow) (choose one): KSK smock (Wuestentarn) KSK trousers (Flecktarn) TT ammo rig (Flecktarn) Magnum Amazon 4 boots Mechanix M-Pact 'stealth' gloves H&K-style MP7A1 holster Flecktarn bandana/scarf OD/black shemagh OD UnderArmor HeatGear hood ESS ICE 2.4 glasses OR KSK Smock (Flecktarn) KSK trousers (Wuestentarn) Bundeswehr webbing set (Wuestentarn) Magnum Amazon 4 boots H&K-style MP7A1 holster Wuestentarn bandana/scarf OD/black shemagh OD UnderArmor HeatGear hood ESS ICE 2.4 glasses Winter (snow): Schneetarn LBE dependant on above White UnderArmor ColdGear hood OD wool Jeep hat (or bandana if it's cool enough) I've seen white boots and gloves in images of soldiers in snow camo. Any idea where I can get a pair of either or both? EDIT: Would a G3/SG-1 be an appropriate DMR for a KSK load-out? I would assume so, but I'm not the local expert by any means.... Link to post Share on other sites
Maple-Leaf Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Spring/Summer/Fall/Winter (no snow) (choose one): Tac-Gear KSK smock or BW Bausenwein smock (Flecktarn) Tac-Gear KSK trousers (Flecktarn) TT ammo rig (Flecktarn) Bundeswehr, Meindl or Lowe combat boots H&K-style MP7A1 holster Flecktarn commando net scarf or OD/black shemagh OD UnderArmor HeatGear hood ESS ICE 2.4 glasses A G3/SG1 would be okay as a base - but add a RIS/RAS front-end to it, shorten the barrel and add an MC51 type front end on it, plus an MSG90 type buttstock. A single drum magazine would be good too - that way it will all look closer to a G8 which I've seen them using. Link to post Share on other sites
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