CountDoom Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Simply, what or who is ASGK and what do they have to do with airsoft guns? (sorry for the huge ammount of newbie Qs BTW ) Link to post Share on other sites
animal-mother Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 ASGK = AirSoft Gun Kai... the Japanese Airsoft Gun Association. Self regulating body for airsoft manufacturers apparently! Link to post Share on other sites
Antagon Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Yep, they regulate airsoft in Japan, make sure you can't have too much fun. However, it's only for Japan, that's why we loooooove our HK and TW buddies. Link to post Share on other sites
Manxmadman Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 It's ASGK that regulate how much metal any airsoft gun can be comprised of, if I'm not mistaken, so thats the reason TM are becoming less popular for armalites and MP5's due to the fact they cannot compete with other companies such as CA, ICS, G&G, G&P and so on. So thank god ASGK rules only apply to Japan. Adam Link to post Share on other sites
CountDoom Posted February 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Why on earth would they WANT to limit the metal? Are there any advantages to ASGK (like QC etc.) Link to post Share on other sites
Antagon Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Why on earth would they WANT to limit the metal? Are there any advantages to ASGK (like QC etc.) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It keeps japan "safe". They also regulate energy, like the UK's 1J limit. Link to post Share on other sites
Manxmadman Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 So I'm guessing thats the reason why most japanese airsofters are concerned with how many bb's they can fire per minute than anything else, or is it because airsoft in Japan is very much like paintball in the sense that all the games are speedball types? Adam Link to post Share on other sites
CountDoom Posted February 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Probably, my parents lived there for 10 years... it is a wierd place realy, like Apocalypse Now on neon steroids Seriously do any of you know if ASGK stuff has more quality control than other stuff then? Link to post Share on other sites
Manxmadman Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 They probably do have higher quality control limits, but airsoft companies based in Japan like TM will have their own quality control standards which are probably higher than the ASGK ones are. Adam Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 The major thing that most people will notice is that the rules stipulate two independant safeties. It's why Glocks have the moving serial number, and SA-80's have three settings at the back (safe/single/auto) in addition to the trigger safety. Link to post Share on other sites
nuclear_darkness Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Dont ASGK make bb's? I coulda swore i saw them advertised somewhere? Link to post Share on other sites
CountDoom Posted February 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 ASGK grade bbs i suppose, they are everywhere Link to post Share on other sites
Hissing_Sid Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 The major thing that most people will notice is that the rules stipulate two independant safeties. It's why Glocks have the moving serial number, and SA-80's have three settings at the back (safe/single/auto) in addition to the trigger safety. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So, erm, how's that apply to every other AEG which TM makes? What is the 2nd safety on a P90, for example, or an MP5, or an Armalite, or a G3? The only TM Pistol I own is the Mk23 and that does have 2 safety's. Maybe this only applies to pistols? Link to post Share on other sites
ZenMastaT Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 A point about the Glocks with moving serial number safeties. Only KJW Glocks have this, not KSC models, and as we all know KJW are made in Taiwan, whereas the KSC's were at least designed for Japan. That said, my KSC Glock 17 does not bear any KSC or ASGK markings as far as I can see. I also have a Tanaka Luger which has but one safety, and yet also appears to be missing an ASGK seal of approval. The only gun I have which DOES have an obvious ASGK marking is the MGC P7M13 - and it has only one safety. Link to post Share on other sites
Arnie Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 I think TM Glocks also have the moving serial plate too. Link to post Share on other sites
ZenMastaT Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Ohhh right, how moronic of me. That said, I'm still not fully convinced about this "2 safety" rule. Link to post Share on other sites
CountDoom Posted February 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Maybe it is like how in the UK you are meant to have pale yellow headlights... but people have bright blue or french style yellow ones and the police don't mind... a basic rule of thumb/trend parhaps? Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 So, erm, how's that apply to every other AEG which TM makes? The only TM Pistol I own is the Mk23 and that does have 2 safety's. Maybe this only applies to pistols? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Let's see if I can spread a little light.. (bearing in mind I'm going on what I was told by Alistaire at AA) My WA SVI is ASGK marked, and has (technically, I suppose) two safeties - the cocking hammer & cocked safety catch, and the grip safety. My WA M1934 is ASGK marked, and just has the cocking hammer and the main safety. However, unlike most of the WA range, it can be safely de-cocked. Not sure if that would count as a "safety".. My Digicon Target (made in Japan) isn't marked, and only has the hammer as a "safety". My KJW G27 isn't marked, but has two safeties. OTOH, it is a direct copy of the TM G26, which I would guess would be marked. My KJW Para isn't marked, but has the same safety arrangement as the WA pistol. Which I would guess, like the TM G26, is marked. My KSC TMP isn't marked, and has a single safety. Neither of my AEGs are ASGK marked, the AUG has a single safety, the Academy two. So, everything that is ASGK marked, or is a direct copy of what I would assume to be an ASGK marked pistol, has two independant safeties, plus the hammer. Everything that isn't marked and is non-Korean has a single safety (or none at all..) It's hardly conclusive, but it is consistent. What we need now is for someone to see if the TM AEP has an ASGK mark (and how many safeties), and whether the TM/WA Beretta (with decocking mechanism) has a single manual safety. Having taken what I was told as Gospel, I'm quite interested to find out if it's true.. Link to post Share on other sites
kronic Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 My TM AK47 is ASGK marked, it has 1 saftey.... I'm not saying your full of BS, but i can get you a piccy if you like? Link to post Share on other sites
snowman Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 So what is/was JASG? Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
kronic Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Japan airsoft gun ? Random guess. Link to post Share on other sites
ZenMastaT Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 WA Beretta's, like the real thing have a "single" safety - although it is ambidextrous on both sides of the slide. I've owned 3 and I believe they were all ASGK marked. As it stands all WA guns are copies of the real things and, as far as I know, none of them incorporate extra unrealistic safeties. Whether they are all ASGK marked I can't say but I believe mine were. And as I stated before my MGC P7M13 is ASGK marked and has only one safety, if that. Link to post Share on other sites
oikoik Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 JASG: jasg is similar to asgk. some say jasg replaced asgk after tm messed around with asgk and then left it in the 90's but i'm not so sure. while asgk is geared for the survival game league in japan [skirmishing or wargaming to you and me], jasg is, to an extent, for target shooting - ie. while asgk limits are 1j for playing, jasg has power limits above this, as long as its used for target shooting. [think air rifles in the uk i suppose] ASGK is actually a single coporation that does not necessarily govern airsoft, but acts as a standard for retail limits. Think of it as an ISO. They say what guns can be sold at what power. JASG is the other standard which usualy monitors pistols, This is the same reason they use 134 and not 22. The gun must shoot a maximum of XXXfps out of the box with no modifications. The introduction of a more powerful gas can cause their structure to crumble. some ksc and some maruzen still carry jasg tags and im not sure why - my maruzen mp5k for example is well under 1j but still carries a jasg logo while a 'jasg' gun would be normally thought of as shooting at 1+j out of the box. my mp5k isnt. so, usually, a jasg rated gun is capable of 1+j [which usually point to gas guns [rifles and pistols]. but since 134 is the standard gas and green iirc is banned in japan..] while an asgk gun is >1j .. so, for another example, the hudson m21 is 'jasg' rated, meaning it shoots over 1j out of the box.. which also means it falls foul of asgk and cant be [officially] used on playing fields in japan. hth and apologies for any errors Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 My TM AK47 is ASGK marked, it has 1 saftey.... I'm not saying your full of BS, but i can get you a piccy if you like? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Please post.. (and ditto ) As I said, I'm interested.. Link to post Share on other sites
kronic Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 I'll pop a pic up tomorrow.. i'm knackered now, haven't had an early night in aaaages. G-night Link to post Share on other sites
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