Hissing_Sid Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Your review was definately spot on pointing out its deficiencies and problems. If you read your review it unfortunately has more bad points than good. That said, you quite rightly point out its no better or worse than a TM. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmmm... Maybe I'm a cynical old fart then. I actually like the L85 a lot. I must admit, though, I'm a sucker for realism and the reason I don't like a lot of TM guns is that I object to the two-plastic-halves-with-a-gearbox-sandwiched-between-them approach that TM often take. I, too, would much rather an SA80 which stripped like a real one and was made of metal too. What I was trying to get across in my review was that the Academy L85 isn't really "below par" for the airsoft industry. If you're happy with a TM M4 then I reckon you'd be happy with an Academy L85. Having said that, of course, I'm not happy with any plastic gun. Unfortunately, in this case, it was the only real option. Also, it's really easy to spend a hefty chunk of change on a rare gun. I thought it'd be a nice project to fettle an Academy gun, and it has been. It's been pretty easy and straight-forward to do. Very rewarding, even if it IS still made of plastic. Oh, and thanks for the kind (?) comments about my review. Link to post Share on other sites
Un_FriendlyFire Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 What i dont get is the SA80s would all be SO easy to accurately simulate field stripping. i mean they strip like ICS weapons anyway in real life Link to post Share on other sites
Ad_Enuff Posted February 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 I must admit, though, I'm a sucker for realism and the reason I don't like a lot of TM guns is that I object to the two-plastic-halves-with-a-gearbox-sandwiched-between-them approach that TM often take. Isnt that the truth! The two halves approach is very poor. Being an old fogey myself, it felt like being a kid again putting a "Airfix kit" together with all that plastic. Of course TM still make guns like this and personally I think it should be stamped out in favour of more realism...after all we have seen that it can be done. I, too, would much rather an SA80 which stripped like a real one and was made of metal too. The only one to my knowledge that strips like the real deal is the SA80 Workshop one. As I have mentioned before I'm saving up for one....because I'm 1) A moron 2). an SA80 bonkers fan 3) Stupid and 4) a GIT! What I was trying to get across in my review was that the Academy L85 isn't really "below par" for the airsoft industry. No your perfectly correct and I take back my harsh comments to a certain degree, but its worth also pointing out theres only two SA80's out in terms of source manufacturers so making writing a review based on teh few that are out there means it gains a higher rating by default. Oh, and thanks for the kind (?) comments about my review. No, thank you! Your review was great and very helpful to me. Link to post Share on other sites
slick63 Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 My first AEG was an Academy L85, it burnt the motor out on the first skirmish and when I took it apart the gear bushings were running in the case instead of around the gears, accuracy was abysmal, the plastic body isn`t too bad but would prefer iron sights, now trying to get hold of a tatty Famas to swap internals, after all these problems it is still my fave AEG, it sits nice in the hands, mag changes are easy and it just feels right for a rifle Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted February 22, 2005 Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Can't say truer then that mate. "still my fave aeg" it does have an aura around it. Link to post Share on other sites
Unlimited Ammo Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Does anyone think that the ACOG replica would fit the custom AC L85A1 version A rifle, because that is the only scope i could find that looks the most like a SUSAT, or would the bb's fall short of the scope picture cheers. Airsoft Club - Microsoft Internet Explorer Link to post Share on other sites
Ad_Enuff Posted February 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Does anyone think that the ACOG replica would fit the custom AC L85A1 version A rifle, because that is the only scope i could find that looks the most like a SUSAT It doesnt look too bad, although I wish SA80 Workshop sold their solid quality SUSAT as part of their accessories. I think thats a HUUGE missed oportunity if they havent thought of it. Every Accademy SA80 owner would no doubt buy one in a nano second! Cost willing of course....nothing of theirs is cheap. Link to post Share on other sites
Hissing_Sid Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 You guys need to realise that fitting a different scope to an Academy L85 is a bit harder than you think. The weaver rail is actually molded as part of the scope. You unscrew a couple of tiny self-tappers and the scope and rail come off. Then comes more misery. Underneath the scope are a couple of raised lumps of plastic with screws through which hold the receiver together. First you need to remove the SUSAT. Then you need to get a couple of blocks of plastic. Then you need to glue one of the plastic blocks into the inside of each half of the receiver - You'll need to offset the plastic blocks so they don't join at the centreline of the gun (see below). Then you need to drill a couple of holes in the plastic blocks so you can put in screws, through the vents in the receiver, to hold the gun together. Now you've adapted the receiver so you can attach a proper weaver rail. Drill 2 or 3 holes through the weaver rail and into the plastic blocks you've just installed. This is the reason you need to offset the blocks, so you have a lump of solid plastic along the centreline, under the join in the shell. You can now use self-tappers to secure a weaver rail through the shell and into the plastic blocks you've installed. Congratulations. You can now bolt a proper scope to your SA80. Of course, you cannot now bolt the fake SUSAT back to it cos the fake SUSAT doesn't have a clamp to fit a weaver rail. Doh! Like I said in my review, fixing up the SUSAT is harder than fixing up the gun. Link to post Share on other sites
Un_FriendlyFire Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Its so unfair... Link to post Share on other sites
Ad_Enuff Posted February 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Its so unfair... And so very frustrating that you just can't buy an SA80 with all the desired features without spending a fortune. Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Just to be pedantic it would be hard to build and airsoft sa80 that strips like the original. Anyone whos used the original knows that you have to lift the TMH up over a bit of metal, like a pivot then bring it down to put it on. Whereas the sa80.org one just pulls off. I think it would be hard t do because of the size of the gearbox. Maybe not impossible though. Link to post Share on other sites
Un_FriendlyFire Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 I guess but the gearbox probably wouldnt run the whole length of the TMH assemble so you could still probably have the little metal bit going into the "hole" Link to post Share on other sites
Unlimited Ammo Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 You guys need to realise that fitting a different scope to an Academy L85 is a bit harder than you think I'm not talking about fitting a different scope to the Academy L85, i'm talking about the AC custom metal one cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
Un_FriendlyFire Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 We SOO need a review of that. Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Yeah its allways like that. We need some brave guy to part with their money to decide whether we should part with ours! lol Link to post Share on other sites
Ad_Enuff Posted February 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 We SOO need a review of that. Definately! These custom SA80's are very rare in the UK or so it seems. When I get my SA80 from SA80 Workshop, I will definately do a review. Shame Simon AKA Hissing Sid lives in Scotland otherwise I'd let him review it so he could compare the Academy version. That would make very interesting reading. Link to post Share on other sites
Cypher Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Hopefully my AC one should be here in the next week or 2, as I ordered it at the beggining of the Month, then I will wright a review for peps. Link to post Share on other sites
majorproblem Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 I have an original L+S kit springer SA80, with metal front sights.....have been thinking of converting this for a while now to an AEG, but is it essentially the same as the Accademy version, as it has a fake SUSAT and rail? Link to post Share on other sites
Hissing_Sid Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Hopefully my AC one should be here in the next week or 2, as I ordered it at the beggining of the Month, then I will wright a review for peps. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No offense but you'd better use a spell checker if you do. Link to post Share on other sites
Ad_Enuff Posted February 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 No offense but you'd better use a spell checker if you do. Cruel! But funny! Link to post Share on other sites
Un_FriendlyFire Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Why doesnt someone like STAR make an L85 conversion kit dammit! just imagine. especially if it was for FAMAS then instead of becoming vaguely like L85 it can be an L85 lol Link to post Share on other sites
Unlimited Ammo Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Ok, so hopefully this saturday i plan to order 1 AC club custom L85A1 version A, 10 Star M16 real cap mags, 2 TM M16 lo caps and one ACOG x4 scope, when i get it all i plan to write a review on how easy it was to fit the scope and things like that cheers Link to post Share on other sites
Cypher Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 No offense but you'd better use a spell checker if you do. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yer well I blame the modern education system I put my trust in word for my spelling, was it wright I spelt wrong? humm thinking now probably as I seem to be having a mental block on how its spelt, just that its spelt wrong. lets see, wight, no right, no, write, ahh that looks right. Link to post Share on other sites
Unlimited Ammo Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 It would seem that the gun used a real SUSAT, It's not actually a real SUSAT doc if you look on the website on accescories it says ABS SUSAT, and the real one is made from metal, i would laugh so much if someone spent $2000 on one, then the SUSAT turned out to be the crappy Academy scope cheers Link to post Share on other sites
Ad_Enuff Posted February 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 It's not actually a real SUSAT doc if you look on the website on accescories it says ABS SUSAT, and the real one is made from metal, i would laugh so much if someone spent $2000 on one, then the SUSAT turned out to be the crappy Academy scope Me too! Though I can tell a lot of SA80 fans are very frustrated with the quality of the original SUSAT or the fact there isnt one true to the original that can be fitted to a standard Academy....custom or otherwise. I wonder if ICS, TM, CA and so forth read these forums? If so, give us SA80 fans what we are dying for! There is a huge market just waiting to be snapped up! Link to post Share on other sites
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