DPM jacket question

[uscrocks29]

I've been looking for a DPM jacket to mess about with and I found this- http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=365203

My question is, what weight would that jacket be, summer or winter? If it's winter, could anyone point me to some summer weight jackets inside the U.S.?

[Surreel Big Fish]

The British Army don't really do a summer and winter weight jacket. They use a layered system and that looks like possibly a 94 pattern jacket (waits for someone to correct). If you want a top for summer you might want to go for the 95 pattern shirt.

[Jaager]

just wear a S95 shirt with a Tshirt underneath, if you must have a jaket, the newer type jackets are quite lightweight.

[uscrocks29]

Thanks a lot both of you. I guess I'll be getting the S95 shirt then, anyone know of a place to pick one up in the U.S.?

[gunbunny]

i would have said try ebay uk for the s95 / s2000 stuff. i'm sure theres someone who will ship to the us. its not like s95 is ultra expensive .

 

oh and yeah sureel your right it is a 90 pattern jacket second only in crappiness rating to the green peace activist's favourite the 85 pattern jacket.

[Ubar]

get a smock if youre using it in the field ffs

[uscrocks29]

Do smocks come with the S95 or S2000 designation also?

Which "soldier" version is this smock, as it looks quite different from others I've seen- http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Surplus-British-A...8QQcmdZViewItem

[Edmiles]

Well I have a DPM jacket, dosen't look like that though. And I never wear it anyway

 

It's even got the older 'shiny' buttons.

 

EDIT: Scrap that, it looks a lot like that. Must be a smock. Allthough I don't know if its the camera flash or something, but that smock's quite light.

[Angry]

Do smocks come with the S95 or S2000 designation also?

Which "soldier" version is this smock, as it looks quite different from others I've seen- http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Surplus-British-A...8QQcmdZViewItem

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That looks to me like an 85 or even a 66. Basically stay away from it, its ancient.

 

The one you want to get is an S2000. The S95 is a ripstop jacket, but they tend to fade pretty quicky in areas of wear. The 2000 is a heavier weight.

[Surreel Big Fish]

That is a S84 jacket for someone who is 5ft 7 and has a 36 chest.

 

But I'd agree with what Angry said about it, it's old and not really worth having.

[Gadge]

Get a sas smock, you'll only ever need to buy one (ironically i have two but was given them both)

 

Pack down to fit in a small pouch, wndproof, pretty waterproof, and genrally regarded as 'gucci' kit.

 

http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/dpccs5na.html

 

You can get em for between 25 and 50 UK GBP second hand.

[uscrocks29]

Get a sas smock, you'll only ever need to buy one (ironically i have two but was given them both)

 

Pack down to fit in a small pouch, wndproof, pretty waterproof, and genrally regarded as 'gucci' kit.

 

http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/dpccs5na.html

 

You can get em for between 25 and 50 UK GBP second hand.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sounds good. How will I know which smocks are S2000? Are there any differentiating features between an S2000 SAS smock and the S84, S66, and S95?

[Gadge]

95 and 2000 pattern have 'canadian' buttons wihta cloth tab rather than four button holes.

 

If you want to look like an old sweat then use an older one wiht button holes and put tape squares over the threads.

 

I have a complete brit kit guide over on a certain other uk forum.

 

i may even have posted it here... still 'smock guide repost:'

 

Smock.

 

There are many variations of the DPM smock, the main ones you will see will

be the early 90s pattern ‘smock temperate’, soldier 95 rip stop combat

jacket and the SAS smock.

 

All of these should be worn with button all fastened up, unfastened buttons

look sloppy and can result in important kit being lost when moving fast or

crawling. If the smock is an older type such as the SAS smock or temperate

you may wish to place small squares of either electrical tape or green

fabric tape over the button holes and thread on each button. This reduces

the chance of buttons coming off as a result of snagged or worn thread.

 

If you have a sleeve pocket with pen holding loops on your smock do not

place pens or pencils in these, should you fall or rapidly swing the arm

then you may run the risk of stabbing or piercing your arm.

 

Smocks can further be modified with the addition of sewing in woollen cuffs

to the sleeves (which comes as standard on the para smock), additionally the

pull ring from a smoke grenade can be attached to any zip fasteners on the

front of the smock to make it easier to do up with cold or gloved hands.

 

Many soldiers ‘blouse ‘the underside of the smock to make if sit higher

around the thighs and snag less. To do this simply fold the smock underneath

itself so that the draw cords at the bottom can be tied around the waist

like a belt. This should half the length of the smocks skirts, this will

make the lower pockets unusable but as these are often covered up by webbing

this is generally not an issue. A bloused smock in this way allows you to

rapidly put spent magazines down the front of your smock rather than having

to struggle to replace it in a pouch during a firefight , this is sometimes

referred to as the ‘Brecon pocket’

 

 

If the smock has a hood this should be left down, even in wet weather is

patrolling or skirmishing, wearing a hood drastically reduces your hearing

and peripheral vision, instead let you headgear protect you from rain. If

you have an SAS smock soldiers often roll the hood in and secure it by tying

the pull cords though the fabric loop at the top of the neck (see picture).

Doing this prevents the hood flapping about in bad weather or filling up

with detritus.

 

Any badges on the smock should be kept to an absolute minimum, generally,

national insignia and rank if anything. The British army is a small

professional army, all members of a regiment know each other and have no

need to display a multitude of ‘qualifications’ and proficiency badges on

their kit, believing instead in their own ability to do the job. Badges and

insignia build up an intelligence picture whenever they are spotted by and

enemy, to this end the more secretive, elite or specialist a unit you might

be attempting to portray the less badges you will see on these uniforms.

 

For example SAS soldiers rarely if ever have any distinguishing badges or

markings on their kit.

 

Anything ‘individual’ about you or your kit helps distinguish which unit is

in which theatre to the enemy, obviously this has no practical application

to airsoft but if you’re going for a convincing British forces look , one

should bear this in mind.

 

 

SAS smock:

 

 

 

[uscrocks29]

Very nice post, answered all my questions and then some. Thank you for your help. By the way, those pictures are very nice.