uscrocks29 Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 I've been looking for a DPM jacket to mess about with and I found this- http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=365203 My question is, what weight would that jacket be, summer or winter? If it's winter, could anyone point me to some summer weight jackets inside the U.S.? Link to post Share on other sites
Surreel Big Fish Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 The British Army don't really do a summer and winter weight jacket. They use a layered system and that looks like possibly a 94 pattern jacket (waits for someone to correct). If you want a top for summer you might want to go for the 95 pattern shirt. Link to post Share on other sites
Jaager Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 just wear a S95 shirt with a Tshirt underneath, if you must have a jaket, the newer type jackets are quite lightweight. Link to post Share on other sites
uscrocks29 Posted August 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Thanks a lot both of you. I guess I'll be getting the S95 shirt then, anyone know of a place to pick one up in the U.S.? Link to post Share on other sites
gunbunny Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 i would have said try ebay uk for the s95 / s2000 stuff. i'm sure theres someone who will ship to the us. its not like s95 is ultra expensive . oh and yeah sureel your right it is a 90 pattern jacket second only in crappiness rating to the green peace activist's favourite the 85 pattern jacket. Link to post Share on other sites
Ubar Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 get a smock if youre using it in the field ffs Link to post Share on other sites
uscrocks29 Posted August 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Do smocks come with the S95 or S2000 designation also? Which "soldier" version is this smock, as it looks quite different from others I've seen- http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Surplus-British-A...8QQcmdZViewItem Link to post Share on other sites
Edmiles Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Well I have a DPM jacket, dosen't look like that though. And I never wear it anyway It's even got the older 'shiny' buttons. EDIT: Scrap that, it looks a lot like that. Must be a smock. Allthough I don't know if its the camera flash or something, but that smock's quite light. Link to post Share on other sites
Angry Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Do smocks come with the S95 or S2000 designation also? Which "soldier" version is this smock, as it looks quite different from others I've seen- http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-Surplus-British-A...8QQcmdZViewItem <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That looks to me like an 85 or even a 66. Basically stay away from it, its ancient. The one you want to get is an S2000. The S95 is a ripstop jacket, but they tend to fade pretty quicky in areas of wear. The 2000 is a heavier weight. Link to post Share on other sites
Surreel Big Fish Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 That is a S84 jacket for someone who is 5ft 7 and has a 36 chest. But I'd agree with what Angry said about it, it's old and not really worth having. Link to post Share on other sites
Gadge Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Get a sas smock, you'll only ever need to buy one (ironically i have two but was given them both) Pack down to fit in a small pouch, wndproof, pretty waterproof, and genrally regarded as 'gucci' kit. http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/dpccs5na.html You can get em for between 25 and 50 UK GBP second hand. Link to post Share on other sites
uscrocks29 Posted August 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Get a sas smock, you'll only ever need to buy one (ironically i have two but was given them both) Pack down to fit in a small pouch, wndproof, pretty waterproof, and genrally regarded as 'gucci' kit. http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/dpccs5na.html You can get em for between 25 and 50 UK GBP second hand. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sounds good. How will I know which smocks are S2000? Are there any differentiating features between an S2000 SAS smock and the S84, S66, and S95? Link to post Share on other sites
Gadge Posted August 24, 2007 Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 95 and 2000 pattern have 'canadian' buttons wihta cloth tab rather than four button holes. If you want to look like an old sweat then use an older one wiht button holes and put tape squares over the threads. I have a complete brit kit guide over on a certain other uk forum. i may even have posted it here... still 'smock guide repost:' Smock. There are many variations of the DPM smock, the main ones you will see will be the early 90s pattern ‘smock temperate’, soldier 95 rip stop combat jacket and the SAS smock. All of these should be worn with button all fastened up, unfastened buttons look sloppy and can result in important kit being lost when moving fast or crawling. If the smock is an older type such as the SAS smock or temperate you may wish to place small squares of either electrical tape or green fabric tape over the button holes and thread on each button. This reduces the chance of buttons coming off as a result of snagged or worn thread. If you have a sleeve pocket with pen holding loops on your smock do not place pens or pencils in these, should you fall or rapidly swing the arm then you may run the risk of stabbing or piercing your arm. Smocks can further be modified with the addition of sewing in woollen cuffs to the sleeves (which comes as standard on the para smock), additionally the pull ring from a smoke grenade can be attached to any zip fasteners on the front of the smock to make it easier to do up with cold or gloved hands. Many soldiers ‘blouse ‘the underside of the smock to make if sit higher around the thighs and snag less. To do this simply fold the smock underneath itself so that the draw cords at the bottom can be tied around the waist like a belt. This should half the length of the smocks skirts, this will make the lower pockets unusable but as these are often covered up by webbing this is generally not an issue. A bloused smock in this way allows you to rapidly put spent magazines down the front of your smock rather than having to struggle to replace it in a pouch during a firefight , this is sometimes referred to as the ‘Brecon pocket’ If the smock has a hood this should be left down, even in wet weather is patrolling or skirmishing, wearing a hood drastically reduces your hearing and peripheral vision, instead let you headgear protect you from rain. If you have an SAS smock soldiers often roll the hood in and secure it by tying the pull cords though the fabric loop at the top of the neck (see picture). Doing this prevents the hood flapping about in bad weather or filling up with detritus. Any badges on the smock should be kept to an absolute minimum, generally, national insignia and rank if anything. The British army is a small professional army, all members of a regiment know each other and have no need to display a multitude of ‘qualifications’ and proficiency badges on their kit, believing instead in their own ability to do the job. Badges and insignia build up an intelligence picture whenever they are spotted by and enemy, to this end the more secretive, elite or specialist a unit you might be attempting to portray the less badges you will see on these uniforms. For example SAS soldiers rarely if ever have any distinguishing badges or markings on their kit. Anything ‘individual’ about you or your kit helps distinguish which unit is in which theatre to the enemy, obviously this has no practical application to airsoft but if you’re going for a convincing British forces look , one should bear this in mind. SAS smock: Link to post Share on other sites
uscrocks29 Posted August 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2007 Very nice post, answered all my questions and then some. Thank you for your help. By the way, those pictures are very nice. Link to post Share on other sites
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