poorieuser Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 I cut and pasted this from my original post on AirsoftCanada. Doesn't really apply to our Brit friends, but for the rest of us in the colonies I thought this might be relevant. Assuming your refering to US and Canada then I really don't appreciate you refering to the US as a colony. We actually fought for our indepedence... Sledge - Actually here in Canada we don't have brick and mortar retailers whom provide warranties, and at no point was I suggesting that I should be getting anything free.. Please educate yourself on the airsoft situation in Canada before you go shooting your mouth of please. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dude, it was just a comment on the situation and he made a good point in what he said. Also I don't really see how he was suggesting you were trying to get anything you didnt deserve. OK this said bring on the flaming ------------------------------------------------ Oh by the way thank you for the information on this defect. I was thinking about getting one but I guess I'll stay away from the TM M14. Link to post Share on other sites
SEALSniper67 Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 damn you poorieuser why do you have to start trouble..... lol....... No, I agree with what he says. Link to post Share on other sites
rizzini7 Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Has anyone tried the Laylax Prometheus EG Hard Gear Set yet? Does this cause the same problem? Link to post Share on other sites
PariahWolf Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Just like to say I've only been running a Systema 1J spring in mine, less than 5000 rounds with this spring and Guarder gears and I've lost semi auto. Although all of those 5000 odd rounds were fired using semi auto. Link to post Share on other sites
gazchap Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Still, if you open a product up and mess about with the internals, it's going to be on you to prove whatever went wrong WASN'T caused by you. Moral of the story: don't mess with guns if they're still under warranty. Unless you don't mind losing the warranty. Unless you bought it in the UK and it's still less than six months since purchase. In which case the responsibility lies with the retailer to prove that the problem was not a manufacturing defect. Which would be easily proved if the gun is opened and aftermarket parts are found installed. So really I'm just being pedantic. But wanted to clear up that little bit of knowledge re. consumer law Link to post Share on other sites
Hristo Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 PariahWolf, maybe you should inspect Guarder made sector gear for any irregularities which could wear down the cutoff lever. Link to post Share on other sites
PariahWolf Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 I'm going to when I get the chance, sadly I'm just too buisy the rest of this week to do so. Link to post Share on other sites
Aod Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 also, bear in mind that this problem isn't caused by the spring that you may be running. Link to post Share on other sites
kuba Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Hello We had that problem with my friends rifle. We put piece of shrink tube (the one used for electric cables) on area where the lever goes on cam. It is working for 4-5 months now without problems. cheers Link to post Share on other sites
Kokanee Posted September 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Thanks Kuba, I did this as well and it seemed to fix the problem. However, I have been able to procure a replacement part from Tokyo Marui so hopefully soon I iwll be back to running with the correct working bits. Link to post Share on other sites
davedawg123 Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Someone also mentioned a replacement reinforced part made by Pro Arms is available at UNCo. Link to post Share on other sites
PariahWolf Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 They offer a replacement for the selector arm. That's not the part that breaks... Link to post Share on other sites
davedawg123 Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 That's what happens when I go by others without verifying for myself. I suppose you'll need to source the necessary part from TM. Ask FarEast when he gets his TM parts service up and running. Link to post Share on other sites
Kokanee Posted October 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Received a new cutoff lever last week. Installed it (in addition to an unrelated guarder cylinder set upgrade) and viola! semi-auto. I was inundated with requests from other users on ASC as to where I was able to source my spare part. Seems that quite a few others have had their cutoff levers wear out. AOD, regardless of what is causing it (I am completely willing to agree it may be something other than the spring), there clearly exists a problem with the current design and this is leading to failures. Is it arrogant to think that an airsoft rifle shouldn't fail like this? Perhaps. However, a Marui AEG failing after less than a 1000 rounds is in my books cause for alarm. Other users have indicated a wide variety of parts installed at the point of failure, ranging from mechboxes that are stock except for a stronger spring and metal bushings, to mexhboxes that are practically entirely "3rd party" like mine. Lol, and no, no flaming for poorieuser... Perhaps he's just bitter that we won our independence by asking nicely Link to post Share on other sites
davedawg123 Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 You forgot to tell us one thing, where did you source the part? Link to post Share on other sites
Aod Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Received a new cutoff lever last week. Installed it (in addition to an unrelated guarder cylinder set upgrade) and viola! semi-auto. I was inundated with requests from other users on ASC as to where I was able to source my spare part. Seems that quite a few others have had their cutoff levers wear out. AOD, regardless of what is causing it (I am completely willing to agree it may be something other than the spring), there clearly exists a problem with the current design and this is leading to failures. Is it arrogant to think that an airsoft rifle shouldn't fail like this? Perhaps. However, a Marui AEG failing after less than a 1000 rounds is in my books cause for alarm. Other users have indicated a wide variety of parts installed at the point of failure, ranging from mechboxes that are stock except for a stronger spring and metal bushings, to mexhboxes that are practically entirely "3rd party" like mine. Lol, and no, no flaming for poorieuser... Perhaps he's just bitter that we won our independence by asking nicely <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Perhaps, but how many people have Tokyo Marui M14s that Don't have this problem? while talking gearboxes with the Mech-box-guru at my local site he never even mentioned the M14. is it not possible that playing in Canadian summer heat/winter cold has caused this abnormal wear? can you rule out a duff batch? or a single ingot of sub-standard alloy for the parts? why don't you check the consistency between the old and new cutoff lever? Link to post Share on other sites
Kokanee Posted October 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 is it not possible that playing in Canadian summer heat/winter cold has caused this abnormal wear? can you rule out a duff batch? or a single ingot of sub-standard alloy for the parts? why don't you check the consistency between the old and new cutoff lever? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A bad batch of material is pretty much all that's left I agree. The new lever actually does look different in colour/texture. I'll see how this new one holds out, should be able to get in some games around 0 celcius in a month or so, haha. Link to post Share on other sites
Aod Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Mmmm, Canadian winter roxors. Link to post Share on other sites
Badly Browned Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Well, I have been running my M14 on SP120 and skirmish about 4 times with it now. I skirmished about 3-4 times stock before that. I also run on a 8.4 3300nimh batt. Other than the spring, it is still stock. I always tried sticking to semi-auto. I am kinda lazy to take it apart and check for any wear, but my semi-auto still works just fine. Also, did those people on ASC actually say they had it wear out. I can see people getting worried about their lever and wanting to know where they can get replcments or how they can reinforce it. Anyways, I will continue to use my M14, and if anything happens, I'll make sure to add myself to that list of worn out levers. Link to post Share on other sites
Hristo Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 For the record, I've lost semi-auto in the same way as original poster describes. A brand new TM M14, upgraded with Guarder FTK. Link to post Share on other sites
Jihad-Joe Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 You forgot to tell us one thing, where did you source the part? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes.. tell us! Bad production batch or no bad production batch.. I myself am very sure that this lever will get worn out one day. Link to post Share on other sites
AirForceOne Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Hey does anyone know if there is an upgraded version or something of this piece? I will be getting the m14 soon. Link to post Share on other sites
davedawg123 Posted November 5, 2006 Report Share Posted November 5, 2006 Guarder is making one. If their FTK announcement was any indication, it'll be probably be at retailers in a few months if not sooner. Link to post Share on other sites
Hristo Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 If I may add my opinion, this is Guarder's fault, not Marui's. A FTK means "full tune up kit". Which means it doesn't need any additional parts to upgrade the gun. All parts which would or might get worn out due to a more powerful spring get replaced - so we get stronger bushings, gears, piston etc. But we didn't get the cutoff lever. Turns out we should have gotten it with the FTK. Guarder obviously did not test the FTK enough to include the cutoff lever into the kit. IMHO, it should be free for all who bought the FTK-46, apology included. But I'm probably dreaming . Right now I cannot participate in any local event because my gun is too powerful for a full auto gun, but cannot fire semi only (which is allowed with the fps FTK delivers). Link to post Share on other sites
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