sp00n Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 All G3/Mc51/Mp5/Mp5sd = V2 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Except the MP5K/PDW, which is a V3. Link to post Share on other sites
R22Master Posted September 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 Except the MP5K/PDW, which is a V3. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Indeed All AK47/Spetz/&4(tbr) = V3 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What's the "&4(tbr)"? Link to post Share on other sites
Hissing_Sid Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 FWIW: http://www.21stcenturyairsoft.com/gearboxt...9bd5f135df303b4 Not sure if there's anything there not yet listed but the whole "technical" sectionof that website is pretty good. Link to post Share on other sites
kronic Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 *Pisst, sid, that's where the current guide on Arnies was yoinked from * Link to post Share on other sites
cazboab Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 what about the TOP AEGS? I know the Mp40 is a different box(wich is essentially the P90 gearbox with a bellows system instead of a piston) to the M60 and m249, and the m60s all use the same box and the m249s all use the same box, but I really dont have a scooby if the M249 box is the same as the M60. Link to post Share on other sites
Qhs Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 I am trying to compile a list of all AEG gearbox versions and I need the help of all the experts here. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> R22 - Does Systema count? "Systema PTW (All variants): Custom Gearbox." Link to post Share on other sites
Hissing_Sid Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 what about the TOP AEGS?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> TOP M60: Licorice. Link to post Share on other sites
R22Master Posted September 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Thanks for all the responses so far guys. Okay, a fully updated list goes... Version 1 Gearbox... TM FAMAS F1 TM FAMAS SV Academy L85 (slight variation) Version 2 Gearbox... TM MP5-A & SD Series TM M16 / M4 Series TM XM177e2 TM M733 ICS MP5-A Series TM G3 Series (inc G3-SAS) TM MC51 CA MP5-A Series CA Armalite Series G&G Armalite Series G&P Armalite Series Version 3 Gearbox... TM G36c TM AK47 / 74 Series TM MP5k & MP5k-PDW TM AUG Series TM Sig Series CA G36c Version 4 Gearbox... TM PSG-1 Version 5 Gearbox... TM Uzi NOTE: Unique as barrel recesses through gearbox to create recoil Version 6 Gearbox... TM Thompson SMG TM P90 NOTE: both v6 gearbox guns have slightly different motor alignment, but are the same gearbox Version 7 Gearbox... TM M14 Custom boxes... G&G UMG CA M249 Systema Training Rifle Staticzero: The Star UMG uses the G36 as a base so that must be a v3 gearbox I guess - as this is the case, it will not be included in this list as it is a conversion kit - not a seperate gun. However, I have heard from reliable sources that the G&G UMG has a TOTALLY different custom gearbox that is not similar to anything else currently on the market. Can you confirm or deny this? ---------------------------------------- Okay, so is this now a comprehensive list? Have we missed anything out? Answere please oh revered experts of Arnie's ---------------------------------------- BTW - Bullzebub: Yes, on reflection (and after taking apart another 10 or so AEGs), "Windowed" vs "Non-Windowed" would be useful on this list. The "windows" appear to be allowances for the tabs on armalites, and as there are two different ways of taking apart armalites based on the presence of windows (or not), it would be worth having the info for this list. Empart away my friend Link to post Share on other sites
cazboab Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 The "windowed" shells apeer to be specifically from the swing-open receiver type armalites, IE the M4/M16A2 based weapns, the M16VN(well mine anyway) has an unwindowed gearbox, but it would make sence for TM to produce one shell for the job instead of two so any of the TM armalites that come with a one peice hop unit will come with an unwindowed box only if it was made before TM started to produce the M4/M16a2(its possible TM made a stock pile of the gearbox cases since there most popular guns at the time use them and only recently ran out of the unwindowed ones and statred useing the windowed one in there place as it wont make a difference), and any with the split hop, should have windowsto alow the uper receiver to swing out instead of haveing to slide out like on the M16A1/VN and other early guns. In short, if it has quick take down it has windows for sure, no quick takedown, it wont always have them. Link to post Share on other sites
bullzebub Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Thanks for all the responses so far guys. Okay, a fully updated list goes... Version 1 Gearbox... TM FAMAS F1 TM FAMAS SV Academy L85 (slight variation) Version 2 Gearbox... TM MP5-A & SD Series (No window) TM M16 / M4 Series (windowed) TM XM177e2 /m16a1 /m16VN (no window) TM M733 (windowed) ICS MP5-A Series (no window) TM G3 Series (inc G3-SAS) (no window) TM MC51(no window) CA MP5-A Series (no window, older models atleast) CA Armalite Series (windowed) G&G Armalite Series (windowed) G&P Armalite Series (windowed) Version 3 Gearbox... TM G36c TM AK47 / 74 Series TM MP5k & MP5k-PDW TM AUG Series TM Sig Series CA G36c Version 4 Gearbox... TM PSG-1 Version 5 Gearbox... TM Uzi NOTE: Unique as barrel recesses through gearbox to create recoil Version 6 Gearbox... TM Thompson SMG TM P90 NOTE: both v6 gearbox guns have slightly different motor alignment, but are the same gearbox Version 7 Gearbox... TM M14 Custom boxes... G&G UMG CA M249 Systema Training Rifle Staticzero: The Star UMG uses the G36 as a base so that must be a v3 gearbox I guess - as this is the case, it will not be included in this list as it is a conversion kit - not a seperate gun. However, I have heard from reliable sources that the G&G UMG has a TOTALLY different custom gearbox that is not similar to anything else currently on the market. Can you confirm or deny this? ---------------------------------------- Okay, so is this now a comprehensive list? Have we missed anything out? Answere please oh revered experts of Arnie's ---------------------------------------- BTW - Bullzebub: Yes, on reflection (and after taking apart another 10 or so AEGs), "Windowed" vs "Non-Windowed" would be useful on this list. The "windows" appear to be allowances for the tabs on armalites, and as there are two different ways of taking apart armalites based on the presence of windows (or not), it would be worth having the info for this list. Empart away my friend <{POST_SNAPBACK}> updated it ... oh .. .and the M249 box is mostly called "PGC box (clone)" And TM doesnt produce any AK74... :-P Link to post Share on other sites
AKRay Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 What's the "&4(tbr)"? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> [AK]74 (to be released). Ray Link to post Share on other sites
Perch Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 The CA V 2 Gearboxes are reenvorced, special designed GB V2, if I'm not wrong, they're direct copies of the Progear GB-shells. The G&P GB V2 are reenvoprced too, but based on the Marui ones. Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Technically the windowed gearboxes are V2.5 as they were an update to the design for newer aeg's. There is also a version .5 for the V6's, though can't remember if the Thompson or P90 came out first. Think its Thompson V6 and P90 V6.5 Link to post Share on other sites
Blastyman Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Technically the windowed gearboxes are V2.5 as they were an update to the design for newer aeg's. There is also a version .5 for the V6's, though can't remember if the Thompson or P90 came out first. Think its Thompson V6 and P90 V6.5 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But really the v6 box used in both the thompson and p90 is identical. Only difference is the motor mount like pointed out earlier in the thread. Link to post Share on other sites
NamantH Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Staticzero: The Star UMG uses the G36 as a base so that must be a v3 gearbox I guess - as this is the case, it will not be included in this list as it is a conversion kit - not a seperate gun. However, I have heard from reliable sources that the G&G UMG has a TOTALLY different custom gearbox that is not similar to anything else currently on the market. Can you confirm or deny this? ---------------------------------------- <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the UMG uses a v3 gearbox... static mentioned this above, and I have the same gun, which I have looked and it is a v3 gearbox... Link to post Share on other sites
kronic Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Technically the windowed gearboxes are V2.5 as they were an update to the design for newer aeg's. There is also a version .5 for the V6's, though can't remember if the Thompson or P90 came out first. Think its Thompson V6 and P90 V6.5 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thompson came before the P90 So Thompson is V6, P90 is V6.5 Also would that make the Aug a V3.5? Link to post Share on other sites
Little Grabbi Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 One small thing: You might add that the AUG and P90 have no selector plate, as do G3, M4 et al, but a trigger-like thingy attatched to the bottom of the gearbox, with one set of contacts in the greabox istself for semi, and another set on the back of the trigger-like part and the motor cage for full auto. Small, but important to those of us who only have semi by law, or want to deactivete f/a for semi only games. Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 But really the v6 box used in both the thompson and p90 is identical. Only difference is the motor mount like pointed out earlier in the thread. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And the motor possition, trigger mech, wiring and associated fixtures that make this possible. Thompson came before the P90 So Thompson is V6, P90 is V6.5 Also would that make the Aug a V3.5? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope, they never called it that for some reason. Suspect its due to main parts like motor possition being unchanged. They effectively just shoved an AK gearbox into the AUG. Link to post Share on other sites
kronic Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Nope, they never called it that for some reason. Suspect its due to main parts like motor possition being unchanged. They effectively just shoved an AK gearbox into the AUG. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah fair enough, i thought the motor was in a different position. Ta for that Link to post Share on other sites
bullzebub Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 The aug motor is longer and tilted more backwards ... not much though ... Link to post Share on other sites
staticzero Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Staticzero: The Star UMG uses the G36 as a base so that must be a v3 gearbox I guess - as this is the case, it will not be included in this list as it is a conversion kit - not a seperate gun. However, I have heard from reliable sources that the G&G UMG has a TOTALLY different custom gearbox that is not similar to anything else currently on the market. Can you confirm or deny this?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Star UMP is available as a complete AEG. The kit was only a limited run before the full AEG came out, and is no longer available AFAIK. Here is the Star UMP AEG at WGC: http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?i...EG-UMP_srch_UMP The G&G UMG uses a version three gearbox, not a custom one. I haven't tried it, but I'm fairly sure I could pull it out of my UMG and pop it right in my G36 with little trouble (there's probably a difference in the nozzle, and I'd need to swap on the rear screw bracket to do it properly). It's just a copy of a v3 box made by G&G. There are minor differences, mostly in terms of how wires are routed and secured, but this is true of all v3 (and other) gearboxes found in different models. You can refer to the pictures of the gearbox in Arnies's CA36C review here: http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filnavn=/r...36c_review5.htm And my own pictures of the UMG gearbox starting on this page, here: http://photos.returners.org/gallery/UMG?page=3 Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 There are only two types of motors, short and long, AK & Aug use the same. Link to post Share on other sites
cazboab Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Yes, but No slayer, the AK and AUG use the same ones, but there are 4 diferent lengths of motor used in TM aegs, or to be more accurate, two diferent lenghts of motor and three diferent lengths of spindle on the slightly longer motor. Theres the FAMAS motor, the short from the AK, G36, styer and Tompson, the medium from the Sig and PSG1, and the Long from the M16/M4s, P90 and G3. Link to post Share on other sites
R22Master Posted September 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Thanks again all. Wow, we're really getting a comprehensive list here. Here's the latest... Version 1 Gearbox... TM FAMAS F1 TM FAMAS SV Academy L85 (slight variation) Version 2 "Windowed" Gearbox... TM M16 / M4 Series (excluding M16A1 or M16VN) TM M733 CA Armalite Series G&G Armalite Series G&P Armalite Series Version 2 "Un-windowed" Gearbox... TM MP5-A & SD Series ICS MP5-A & SD Series CA MP5-A & SD Series TM XM177e2 / M16A1 / M16VN TM G3 Series (inc G3-SAS) TM MC51 Version 3 Gearbox... TM G36c TM AK47 Series TM MP5k & MP5k-PDW TM AUG Series TM Sig Series CA G36c G&G UMG STAR UMP Version 4 Gearbox... TM PSG-1 Version 5 Gearbox... TM Uzi NOTE: Unique as barrel recesses through gearbox to create recoil Version 6 Gearbox... TM Thompson SMG TM P90 NOTE: both v6 gearbox guns have different motor alignment, but are the same gearbox Version 7 Gearbox... TM M14 Custom boxes... CA M249 / PGC Box Systema Training Rifle ICS M4 / M16 Staticzero: Many thanks for the UMG photos - yup, that most certainly is a version 3 gearbox - great pics. I will have words with my 'reliable source' Bullzebub: Many thanks for the Windowed info - I have split the v2 section in to two to reflect this. Thank you all for all your help! So is this it? Do we have every mainstream AEG listed and put in the correct gearbox category? Surely there must be something we've missed. Link to post Share on other sites
staticzero Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Glad to be of service. I believe the G&G M14 has a custom gearbox, perhaps your source was confused? In any event, might want to add the G&G M14 and SOC16 to that list under custom gearboxes. Also, FWIW, the UTG MP5 has a windowed v2. Yes, the gun is just a TM copy, but it's distinct in this regard (as well as a few other details). Might be worthy of the list as it's getting a lot of attention. It might also be good to note that you can often use windowed v2s in guns that use non-windowed v2s, but not the other way around. In fact, I don't know of a case where this isn't true. Link to post Share on other sites
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