Echo1 FN-SCAR coming soon (Dboys in disguise?)

[CrazyJ]

 

I assume its gonna be the Dboys/Boyi Scar that was released recently to very little fanfare.

[PynkPanthyr]

I hope they release a tan version.

[TooBigToFit]

I assume its gonna be the Dboys/Boyi Scar that was released recently to very little fanfare.

Coming from the fact that they managed to take a photo that still has the FN trademarks on it, I would second this assumption.

 

Which probably means it will come in tan as well.

[Hairy Potter]

From the past Echo 1 products , this should be good , really hope the trades stay.

[dragonm]

Coming from the fact that they managed to take a photo that still has the FN trademarks on it, I would second this assumption.

Not really...

 

*Dont mind the scratches... I'm mean to my guns.*

 

 

If you notice, the last word on the Echo 1 picture has four letters. These four appear to be "SCAR" and not "BELGIUM."

In fact, it appears to be "US SOCOM SCAR" instead of "FN HERSTAL BELGIUM" in the DBoys SCAR.

 

Further more, the original serial number on the DBoys is replaced by some gibberish. You can tell because it's longer than the line of text above.

 

The ones on the bottom look different too. Although it will take a much better quality picture to tell what they are.

 

 

I think Echo 1 learned a lesson with the VGM-74 to not use the same serial numbers as the original... They made themselves WAAAYY too obvious with that one. DBoys serial numbers and a battery with DBoys all over it.

This time, they even changed the magazine trademarks to something else and remove everything else that would show as DBoys...

 

But still... not tricking most of us... It still resembles the DBoys. Although it may be missing the foregrip and barrel extension it seems like from these photos...

[CrazyJ]

Do we have a general consensus on how the Dboys SCAR is?

 

Last I remember some poster got one and said it wasn't that great and that was the end of that story.

[dragonm]

Do we have a general consensus on how the Dboys SCAR is?

 

Last I remember some poster got one and said it wasn't that great and that was the end of that story.

That thread started out bad... but the topic starter changed his opinion:

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/inde...t&p=1778442

 

There are a few reviews here and there as well...

http://airsoft-barracks.com/reviews/electric/dboyssc01.php (Mine. )

http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.php?topic=65225.0

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/inde...howtopic=143379

[Inq Eisenhorn]

The DBoys SCAR is excellent for the money, a bit hot for UK limits, but in the US it would come in just about right I guess at around 400fps...ish.

 

The Trades, considering the rifle this was cloned from (CA SCAR), are top notch as you can see in the photo above. I have the Tan version and the top reciever appears to be of the same manufacturing process as the VFC SCAR and G&G. It doesn't feel cheap, in fact it feels more sturdy than the original CA SCAR (Which I have also owned and since traded!)

 

When I bought it, I couldn't believe how accurate it was straight out of the box, even with the hop rubber not being "worn in".....it has a great sound to it, very similar to the CA SCAR, however, it is quoted as having a 7mm bearing gearbox, I can't confirm if this is true as I haven't stripped mine down yet, but we'll see how it is in a few weeks.

 

It comes with a foregrip, battery and barrel externsion.....theres no creaks or rattles, and the stock folds back nicely and stays engaged with the main reciever as it should.

 

The down sides, it only has a 3 position stock extension, I can't remember if this is the same as the CA SCAR, but its worth noting that other makes have 6 position now. And when the stock is folded you can see the wiring, same as the CA SCAR.

 

THats all the negatives I could fine till now. It has a nice weight to it, and most types of magazine (M4 standard mags) seem to fit in the mag well and feed.

 

By the looks of the above advert, I'd go for the DBoys SCAR, for the trades alone, and the extras you get....

 

Peace, out.

[nine]

By the looks of the above advert, I'd go for the DBoys SCAR, for the trades alone, and the extras you get....

 

you dont believe that echo will put the extras in? the main reason i would buy the echo 1 is because i dont feel like paying $40 for shipping, but I do want the extras

i also think the picture looks very nice (I prefer black)

[Inq Eisenhorn]

I have no experience of Echo1 and their products, so you may well get all those extras....although to be fair, the foregrip is just a basic foregrip, and not the "gripod" one you get with the G&G, the battery is a bog standard dboys battery, which may or may not be very good....the best extra is the extended barrel length.

 

If the trades are not an issue, and you want to save money on shipping then perhaps the Echo1 is a good alternative, I mean it looks like the same product just rebranded.

 

I chose Tan because I believe the real one is currently only availible in Tan, and Tan brings out all the features of the gun....black tends to subdue the features....but its all down to personal taste.

[P.S.I.]

I chose Tan because I believe the real one is currently only availible in Tan, and Tan brings out all the features of the gun....black tends to subdue the features....but its all down to personal taste.

 

The real SCAR is made in only 2 colors. Both a tan, and a "Dark Earth" brown...Which is a very dark brown, almost black color (think topsoil), not the Coyote brown like color most companies are calling dark earth.

 

 

[(V)atrix]

The real SCAR is made in only 2 colors. Both a tan, and a "Dark Earth" brown...Which is a very dark brown, almost black color (think topsoil), not the Coyote brown like color most companies are calling dark earth.

Just curious, but where are you getting that info from?

 

I only ask, because the FN reps at the past couple SHOT Shows kept referring to the tan/brown SCARs as 'dark earth' - and they were unmistakably dark tan - not at all a "dark brown, almost black color". (Bear in mind, these would be the same people who did an inpromtu live fire demostration with an ND from a POW at the most recent show, so I'm not saying they're infallible - I'm just saying what I've heard at SHOT doesn't jibe with what you've said).

 

Also, I seem to recall seeing a black SCAR at the FN booth during the most recent SHOT Show. Might have just been a prototype, or one of the civi models, but still... Considering that the weapon isn't even finalized and in regular production yet, isn't it a bit premature to be saying it is/will only be available in tan or brown?

[Fred]

and if im not mistaken, both the echo 1 and Dboys seem to lack a charging handle, at least in the pictures they do. idk, just thought id share =)

[nine]

will the scar take CA m15a4 mags... im guessing yes, however before i pay 55 bucks for shipping i would like to know if i should buy mags with it. Also what mid-caps would you guys recommend?

 

(i know this is a newbie qeustion)

[Inq Eisenhorn]

@ Nine

 

As I wrote above the SCAR seems to take all manner of M4 mags, that includes CA mags.....however, be careful, I seen some wild variance in Dboys M4 rifles, so while it may be good for my SCAR, the one you buy, whether it be Echo1 or Dboys, may have a different standard of quality in the mag well......so don't hang me out to dry if you buy it and your CA mags don't fit

[dragonm]

Any M4/M16 TM Compatible mag will fit in the DBoys SCAR... or at least mine does...

I use MAG Midcaps in my SCAR.

 

and if im not mistaken, both the echo 1 and Dboys seem to lack a bolt, at least in the pictures they do. idk, just thought id share =)

Nope. On the DBoys, the bolt comes on the other side. If desired, you can get a hex wrench, unscrew the bolt, and put it on the other side.

[BBcool]

It is DBoys by the looks of it. Experience is the Dboys does well with a 6.03 inner barrel and accurate. The ambidextrous fire selector switch is there, but the right part of the switch falls off...hehehehehe.

 

I would go skirmishing with this (if DBoys confirmed), just need to downgrade it. Performance is good and lighter than any of the existing SCAR-Ls out there.

[Hendrix2247]

Interesting. I may pick it up depending on the price

[mr.m]

my bro was thinking about getting a Dboys..this might be right for him

[P.S.I.]

Just curious, but where are you getting that info from?

 

I only ask, because the FN reps at the past couple SHOT Shows kept referring to the tan/brown SCARs as 'dark earth' - and they were unmistakably dark tan - not at all a "dark brown, almost black color". (Bear in mind, these would be the same people who did an inpromtu live fire demostration with an ND from a POW at the most recent show, so I'm not saying they're infallible - I'm just saying what I've heard at SHOT doesn't jibe with what you've said).

 

Also, I seem to recall seeing a black SCAR at the FN booth during the most recent SHOT Show. Might have just been a prototype, or one of the civi models, but still... Considering that the weapon isn't even finalized and in regular production yet, isn't it a bit premature to be saying it is/will only be available in tan or brown?

 

I'm going off of initial info I read when the 1st prototypes were announced. I forget where exactly I got that info but I'll see if I can find it again.

 

Yes, I suppose it could a bit premature to say that it will only be available in those colors.

While both the SCAR L & H are currently in early production, I can't imagine it will be much longer before they go into full production. USSOCOM is expected to purchase something in the neighborhood of 160,000 SCARs total.

 

I don't recall seeing a black SCAR at the last SHOT show but there's a LOT to see there so I'm bound to forget a couple of things. I do remember the AD indecent though...Unbelievable...My question is was it a LEO or just someone illegally carrying at the convention.

 

As to the tan "dark earth" color....I don't know why anyone, who can see color, would think that "dark earth" would be tan...

[(V)atrix]

I don't recall seeing a black SCAR at the last SHOT show but there's a LOT to see there so I'm bound to forget a couple of things.

 

Yeah, there was a lot to see at the last show (I spent all 4 days there and still missed some things). I also might be miss remembering, or getting different years mixed up (several 1st Gen SCAR prototypes at the '04 or '05 show were black), but I'm fairly certain I saw a black one at the '08 show (though, the more I think about it, the more I think it may have been in the 'civi' section of the booth).

 

I do remember the AD indecent though...Unbelievable...My question is was it a LEO or just someone illegally carrying at the convention.

 

From what I understand, he was an LEO... Emphasis on past tense.

 

My info comes from a "friend of a friend who worked in the same dept." type deal, so I'm not sure how accurate it really is - but I heard he was severely reprimanted for the incident. (The ND was only part of the situation - I was told he had also broken several dept. policies in the process).

 

As to the tan "dark earth" color....I don't know why anyone, who can see color, would think that "dark earth" would be tan...

 

I've always thought that a bit odd as well - but, in the firearms industry, 'dark earth' seems to have taken on it's own meaning (that being anything from a dark tan to medium brown color). Don't think I've never heard anyone in the industry use 'dark earth'

to describe a dark brown color.

[Inq Eisenhorn]

Guys, why not just look at the FN Herstal (FNH) USA website....what they have on there is what they intend to sell. It always makes me laugh how people will speculate and "discuss" such things when the answers are at the touch of a button. Who cares if they call it "Dark Earth" or "Dog Poop Brown".....just use your eyes. The replicas made by the various companies are pretty much spot on to what the ACTUAL manufacturer is using. If you go to the FNH webiste, you will NOT see a black SCAR. I don't think this is an oversight on the part of FNH either, as they manage to show their other rifles and firearms in the various colours they are produced in.

 

Whether FNH intend to produce a black SCAR or a Green SCAR, or whatever other colour we can imagine in the future is neither here nor there...they don't at the moment.

 

The bottom line here though is, if you want a Black SCAR, for the love of god just buy one. So can we drop the colour discussions already

 

Back on topic of the Dboys or Echo1 SCAR.....has anyone else noticed how many Classic Army SCARs are suddenly going up for sale I guess people are realising that the new clones are going to hit CA real hard, and the second hand prices of CA SCAR rifles.

 

Even the shops seem to be selling them off cheaper! Personally, I'd still go for the Dboys version, as the externals are in fact better.......the fact that the Dboys version is also cheaper just makes it more sense.

[BBcool]

It does. I already used a Dboys SCAR-L with the my CA M15A4 mags, and they're perfect than the Dboys Mag. No misfeeds with it as far as I can recall.

 

There are some plasticky looks with it but I wasn't bothered with the external flaws. If you want something that can go head to head with the high-end ones for the price of an ACM, then I'll recommend it. Range is really good.

 

 

will the scar take CA m15a4 mags... im guessing yes, however before i pay 55 bucks for shipping i would like to know if i should buy mags with it. Also what mid-caps would you guys recommend?

 

(i know this is a newbie qeustion)

 

[bravotwozero]

I hope they release a tan version.

 

BOYI/Dboys indeed released the tan version FN SCAR. It has very accurate trademarks and no 'Made in China' or 'D-boys Airsoft' e.t.c.. Back to the topic, is it at least weighs 3.3 kg, and is there no 'Made in China' or 'Dboys Airsoft' markings. If the Echo1 SCAR weighs at least 3.3 kg, and without those markings mentioned above. It should be Dboys SCAR. One note worth mentioning: it wouldn't be JLS SCAR if you guess, because JLS SCAR has poor quality internals and externals. Never would Echo1 think of retailing the JLS SCAR as Dboys SCAR is of better quality on both the internals ad the externals!!!