the_viral_phantom Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Ok so my shotguns finally given up the ghost and i was looking into getting another secondary. The rest should be fairly self explanatory,please leave reasons for you're choice and for all you gas fanboys i don't want a gas gun,so don't even suggest it. Im buying it from rsov and im on a budget so no marui im afraid. Viral. Link to post Share on other sites
junoske Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 the well mp7 seems to be as good if not better than the tm one also ive heard the battery lasts longer and also u can put a scope and silencer on there to make a super cool secondary Link to post Share on other sites
otherrandomhero Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Junoske, I have seen quite a few of your posts lately that give false or misleading information. This is one of them. The WELL MP7 is not a great gun. The hopup might as well not exist, as it has almost no affect on the BB. As a result, accuracy and range are lacking quite a bit. The internals are really pi*sy too, so you can't change or upgrade the gun without a lot of work. The battery is smaller than the TM too, so it lasts a shorter time. Plus, if it's a secondary, why on earth would you make it big with a silencer and put a scope on that obstructs your sights? It's a hop-less MP7! A scope is completely useless! The Jieke M93R has had some rather poor remarks too. The CM030 and DE USP AEP, on the other hand, are fantastic secondaries and I would reccomend either any day. The USP has a slightly higher FPS and a bit lower ROF because of a stronger spring, but it has a metal slide (no real purpose, but feels cool). Unfortunately, I don't think there are any spare mags for it at the moment. The PDW is a great gun too. That, along with the AK (which I voted for) would make a great secondary. It is very small, very holster-able if you get the right kind, looks cool, and is overall a pretty good gun. I voted for the AK because it is just plain awesome in the performance department. 1J out of the box, great accuracy and firing rate, and the hicaps are bigger than MP5s too (even if by just a little bit). However, it is not quite as holster-able. Really, any of these except the MP7 would do great. Link to post Share on other sites
evansy Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I'd go for the CM 30 The battery is better than the Marui one and all the parts are compatible so getting spare mags wont be a problem and it can use all the accessorys for the Marui. Link to post Share on other sites
aznsk8s87 Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Any of those last three choices would be fine. I'd say to play the role of a secondary, though, the CYMA would probably be the most practical; doesn't really need to be fiddled around with to use in a tight spot. I have no clue how you'd do that with the AK, even if it is a bit small. Link to post Share on other sites
Sledge Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 otherrandomhero, I have seen quite a few of your posts lately that give false or misleading information. This is one of them. Magazines for the DE USP are available at RSOV and have been for some time. Link to post Share on other sites
Carrion Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 sledge he said think. unlike yourself he has a life away from the internet. reapy the qwuestion is what kind of secondary do you want? is it for a in game cayyable one or for a failsafe if your main gun breaks Link to post Share on other sites
Sledge Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Hey, if you're going to lay into someone, it pays to make sure you've got all your facts correct first. Makes it easier to give USEFUL advce, instead of posting random speculation. Also: Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 The PDW is your best option mate The hop is ok so you got some range but not a lot, fires at 339 fps, the battery is great but the bad thing is the semi mode of firing jams (i think the gears seize) so the gun does not fire however this is easily fixed by a short round burst of full auto You can take the stock off it and take off the sling attachment and wham you have an MP5K Nice Link to post Share on other sites
Sledge Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Couple of questions: how much of a budget are we talking about? And do you run an MP5 or AK as a primary weapon? Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 if your price range can include the AK and MP5k, then how about going for TWO cyma glocks? double the rate of fire, you get to look like neo, and other benefits. however you'll need to practice before you can actually hit anything..... Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 The pdw cost £60 posted to the uk from gunner airsoft, the glock is £50 with out postage from action hobbies ? Link to post Share on other sites
Sledge Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Or he could buy the Glocks from RSOV? You know, the store he's planning to order from? Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I bought an AEP USP and an MP7. I'm now off to B&Q for a crowbar. Link to post Share on other sites
Catman Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Get some orange paint, some cardboard boxes and a bit of duct tape and make yourself a HEV suit. LOL imagine turning up to skirmish in a cardboard HEV suit edit: opps better post something on topic.. I played with the Cyma' CM-030 Glock 18C AEP the other day, it's low FPS but hey it ain't bad at all. Would be cooler if it stopped firing when you ran out of rounds...oh well can't have everything Depends where you're playing and what your primary is really. If your primary is a sniper rifle then you probably want something with highish ROF, good FPS and decent mag sizes. The PDW would be ideal, also consider the JG G36. If it's CQB(ish) and/or your primary is an AEG then the glock with it's low FPS is a pretty good choice Link to post Share on other sites
the_viral_phantom Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 My primary's a mp5 at the mo. Thxs for the repies guys. Viral. Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 To get into it a bit more deeply, it depends what you actually plan to do with your back-up. If you're an uber-milsim gucci guerilla then you probably intend to transition from your primary to your backup as the situation dictates. If you're a more average player then you probably just want something that's a nice contrast to your primary and is a bit useful for getting you out of a tight spot. The big problem with AEPs is that the trigger-response is delayed, like an AEG, so they aren't totally suited to making snap-shots in CQB environments. If you want the gun for defensive purposes, to cover your escapes etc, then I'd go with the MP7 purely because it has higher capacity and more beefy magazines than any other AEP. So, if you want the gun for actually aiming and shooting at people then buy whichever one you prefer. If you want it to spray defensively then I'd suggest going for the MP7. Link to post Share on other sites
Sledge Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 If you're running an MP5 as a primary, the advantage of the PDW would be shared mags. If one gun dies, you can still use all the mags in the other. Alternatively, RSOV now have the long mags in for the G18c, so you could put together a nice little package quite cheaply there. Also, it'll sit happily in a holster, rather than needing a sling. Personally, I'd go for the PDW or the G18. Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Alternatively, RSOV now have the long mags in for the G18c, so you could put together a nice little package quite cheaply there. Also, it'll sit happily in a holster, rather than needing a sling. Personally, I'd go for the PDW or the G18. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> G18 is a decent enough gun. Having had a play with the long mags, I can imagine people snapping the bottom part off them rather messily. That's why I'd go for an MP7 rather than a G18 if you want something to lay down a bit of fire. Link to post Share on other sites
Sledge Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Ah, fair do's. Haven't played with the long G18 mags yet. And I'm hoping to get an MP7, providing the VCRB doesn't screw that up, and if any of the cheap ones are decent. Link to post Share on other sites
Dom310 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 The Well Mp7 only does 200fps. I recently bought the galaxy mp5 pdw, it's a great gun i was even considering making it my primary weapon, (Although i eventually decided not to) it does arond 310 fps. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingman Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 My group is having excellent luck with the CYMA CM.030's. I have 3 of them and when we chose this pistol as the "team" backup. the price was so reasonable that several of the guys also bought more than one. While a higher FPS would certainly be nice, the pistols accuracy and ROF is quite good. I mostly use mine in the semi-auto mode and have made some surprisng hits in CQB against some high priced GBB's. The high number of shots per battery charge is also nice. I generally carry 6 spare mags and I'm working on a magazine holder that will allow you to carry 2-3 mags in a standard pistol mag pouch without having to worry about losing bb's because the magazine was pressed too hard against the bottom of the pouch. If it works, I'll be happy to post the design (it's semi-low tech but should work) as it should be easy to make. I'm trying to get a hold of the WELL MP7 as well as a Double Eagle USP to try out, but have not lucked out yet. Link to post Share on other sites
aznsk8s87 Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I've played with the CYMA glock and it seems to me you'd have to be pretty darn careless to snap one of those long mags... Link to post Share on other sites
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