BLACKW47CH Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Seems like it's not coming with a neodymium motor as promised :/ And mentions of alu box are sorely lacking now. I think they come with an Ultimate Basic motor, whatever that is according to this... http://www.actionsportgames.com/products-search-248.aspx?productid=17832@@SHOP1 Am I right in thinking this is Ultimates Basic motor?... http://www.patrolbase.co.uk/airsoft/asg-ultimate-high-torque-motor-long-type.htm#.U3W6wtJdX84 "ASG Ultimate upgrade series basic motor is designed for high FPS and demanding Airsoft AEG builds" Link to post Share on other sites
jal3 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Yes, altough it's a range of basic motors and we don't know exactly which one it is (blue, red, etc). I'm convinced that the ASG Basic motors are not neodymium, but i could be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
Kireru Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Hey guys - The ULTIMATE motor in the EVO, isn't from the current Basic line we have out in stock already. The gearbox is a molded aluminium box, CNC processed for better tolerance.The ECU unit is custom made and features custom software for the EVO. And with that ECU the EVO is born to be used with 11.1 Lipo. Each EVO is going through a QC process, when assembled: fire function, FPS, build and so on. Hope it helps guys, as you can probably tell, we're a bit busy with the whole release. But its really close now... Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Send me a sample for reviewing. I promise to be impartial and objective Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Send me a sample for reviewing. I promise to be impartial and objective QTF! Make it two, Kireru! Link to post Share on other sites
jal3 Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Thanks for the clarifications T, that's the best i could ask for. Gonna tear it apart and test it when it comes here =) Link to post Share on other sites
Scotty H Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 I don't understand why people are moaning about the price. It's built in Europe so will more than likely be better build quality and has quite a nice features that most AEG's don't have as well as proper CZ polymer moulding. You can pay £360 for a King Arms M4 that is pretty much just a standard AEG and then Marui recoil shocks are 200quid more. I think it's a fair price for what you get. How close are we talking Kireru? June not July yea? Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 I don't understand why people are moaning about the price. It's built in Europe so will more than likely be better build quality and has quite a nice features that most AEG's don't have as well as proper CZ polymer moulding. You can pay £360 for a King Arms M4 that is pretty much just a standard AEG and then Marui recoil shocks are 200quid more. I think it's a fair price for what you get. That's quite an exercise of assumption because, you see, the only thing we know for sure is the price that store is charging. We don't know the build quality, or where it's made (I doubt it's made in the EU), or those features for sure. Then, even if all those things we don't know were true, the price might be right, but not competitive. IMO, and from a commercialization standpoint, one bad first launch can mean there's no second one. And THAT would be a shame. I have to add that the price in Pounds is usually higher, so I can hope for a better price in Euros, and not a 1:1 exchange rate with that particular store. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted May 19, 2014 Report Share Posted May 19, 2014 My gut tells me that its mostly made in China and assembled somewhere in Europe. If ASG says it has a motor from their current line and those motors are not manufactured in EU, that leads me to believe my hunch The price is acceptable if it is a reliable and skirmishable OOTB gun. On the other hand... Mags are a bit on the expensive side, but thats something which is not going to surprise anybody as it is probably what ASG will use to get a better margin and dont overprice the gun. The fact that they wont release a hicap in the first months hints to it too Link to post Share on other sites
Kireru Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Close is June not July unless the hand of god strikes down on our production facilities.The motor as i explained before is NOT from our current ULTIMATE basic line. The motor is special for the EVO, but will be featured as a stand alone motor later this year.The EVO simply isn't just assembled by ASG. Most of the parts have been designed from the ground up by ASG, produced in Denmark/Europe. The gearbox for example, is one of those parts. We try to get as much done and made in Denmark to ensure the best QC and responds to changes without sacrificing price.You cant have the bolt stop function on a hicap magazine since the "flip" switch on the magazine gets lost in the design. We havn't planned on a Hicap magazine, we did brainstorm about it, just like we did with a lot of other things. But we won't start R&D on those things before the EVO been out for a while and we can see what the needs are. And the price for mags, are for a 3 pcs package. If there still is doubt about the features here is the official list minus the noobie ones like "its goes phew phew" CNC machined outer barrel Integrated standard size rails Super lightweight and compact design Glass fiber reinforced polymer Strong magazine 4-position fire selector with genuine 3-shot burst Secure motor attachment CNC made flash hider and barrel nut Easy velocity change Industry-standard 8mm bushings Removable folding stock Reduced BB spill Removable flash-hider Precision inner barrel LiPo born ECU NEW ULTIMATE Basic motor Optimal power transfer New designed gearbox MIM steel gears CNC processed gearbox Quality wiring Intelligent design solutions Larger support surface Upgradable with industry standard parts ECU controlled gearbox Crisp trigger response Failure-detection Battery monitoring Easy service and maintenance Gearbox as heat-sink Moisture resistant No fuse box Empty magazine detection Functional bolt lock Multiple sling mounts Ambidextrous controls Ambidextrous charging handle Easy adjustable hop-up*edit: Hope it helps... Link to post Share on other sites
Scotty H Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Think that should just about covers all of the above just need to decided where to order from now. Think JD are doing mag pack for free where as Landwarrior are doing a case for free. Link to post Share on other sites
FTZ-WildeCard Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Land Warrior has put up a firing video on their facebook feed. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152137997725028&set=vb.148322390027&type=2&theater Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Well, to be honest, I didnt expect to retain the bolt stop function with a hicap like happens with the TM recoil series. A couple of hicaps are a nice setup for starting to build a gun, it is skirmishable from day one and the user can buy midcaps at his own pace I understand mags are sold in a three pcs package, but according to UK price, each midcap is quite close to 17€, which I understand are new designed for a new system, but being plastic/polymer made, i think the price is a bit on the high side. Thats why I think ASG is pushing the price slightly up on the mags instead of on the gun. Please, dont missunderstand me, im not trying to sunder or suitcase on the gun, on the contrary, I like it and will buy one with a nice mags set as soon as it is proven reliable , i m just trying to write my thoughts and provide a bit of feedback Cheers and thanks for the info, its allways great when a manufacturer talks directly to future users Link to post Share on other sites
Scotty H Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 pmags are the same price (not fake beta project) Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 I agree, but, at least me, think about the mag price as a "price per BB hold" as a way to compare mags price among them. So the Pmags hold almost 2 times BBs as the Evo mags. Its just a personal factor. But again, this is just me trying to sound my thoughts and feedback. So, if ASG releases hicaps in the future, even if the bolt lock is lost, I think it would be a nice adition to the Evo catalogue Link to post Share on other sites
Kireru Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Well, to be honest, I didnt expect to retain the bolt stop function with a hicap like happens with the TM recoil series. A couple of hicaps are a nice setup for starting to build a gun, it is skirmishable from day one and the user can buy midcaps at his own pace I understand mags are sold in a three pcs package, but according to UK price, each midcap is quite close to 17€, which I understand are new designed for a new system, but being plastic/polymer made, i think the price is a bit on the high side. Thats why I think ASG is pushing the price slightly up on the mags instead of on the gun. Please, dont missunderstand me, im not trying to sunder or suitcase on the gun, on the contrary, I like it and will buy one with a nice mags set as soon as it is proven reliable , i m just trying to write my thoughts and provide a bit of feedback Cheers and thanks for the info, its allways great when a manufacturer talks directly to future users Didn't take it hard way. You are right, it is a new mag for a new gun. It's a lot to ask you guys to trust and just buy a completely new UMP+G36+MP9+MP5 *bramston pickle* love child. But we believe the CZ Scopion EVO 3 A1 will convince most, if not all when it comes out. And the reason for the mags being "pricey" is that the outer shell is molded out in one piece, instead of two and then superglued together. Link to post Share on other sites
Scotty H Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 True Isamu, but I don't think the amount of bb's they hold will have any effect on the cost to make them + R&D. Hicaps cost more because of the winding mechanism. I see your point though. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Well, we users want it to convince us too, I have been a long time after a gun with ptw features without shelling silly ammounts of money to buy, making it reliable and skirmishable. Now two of them are coming almost at the same time, the ASAR and EVO3. My budget hates you with the most sincere passion Link to post Share on other sites
T.w.a.T. Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Well, we users want it to convince us too, I have been a long time after a gun with ptw features without shelling silly ammounts of money to buy, making it reliable and skirmishable. Now two of them are coming almost at the same time, the ASAR and EVO3. My budget hates you with the most sincere passion Same here. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 It's a lot to ask you guys to trust and just buy a completely new UMP+G36+MP9+MP5 *bramston pickle* love child. It is, but don't get us wrong. If by any chance our input makes a better product, we'll ALL be happier I really want a Euro made product to have a great success, so best of lucks. Link to post Share on other sites
Scotty H Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 I've pre-ordered one. Just wondering if any ASG representatives on here can give us an idea of shipment date to retailers? How's the production going? Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
Kireru Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Let me get back at you with that one - our tech guys are out today overseeing the production, i'll ask them once they get back with some info Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Where did you pre-order from? Link to post Share on other sites
Scotty H Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 Cheers Kireru, any info is much appreciated. Wingmann, I went for JD Airsoft as they are offering the magazine pack for free where as the others are offering a soft case. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted June 3, 2014 Report Share Posted June 3, 2014 BRRRRRR....! must resist the temptation to preorder it @_@ Link to post Share on other sites
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