ASG Scorpion EVO 3 A1

[BLACKW47CH]

About 26:12

 

[Wingmann]

Even when I have started saving I'm not completely sold on this.

 

+: I think it's well enough built, it fits my preferred size for an assault gun, it has useful electronics, it's got good ergonomics and it seems to perform admirably.

-: The only painted parts seem to degrade in colour quite rapidly, the LiPo selection for it is limited, it lacks extras of any kind and the price tag is very high.

 

Food for thought...

[Ryaw]

After watching that, I'm even more excited to get mine. I'll happily take 50% hits at 80m, assuming it'll do the same with 350 FPS. Even at 70m, it was about 75% accurate, which is great for woodland.

 

Also, I don't think battery choice is particularly limited, compare to say a TM MP7 AEG for example. It'll take stick and nun-chuck batteries.

 

You do have a point about the paint on the charging handle though. I'm sure it's easy enough to repaint.

[GroundZeroUK]

Hi Kireru,

 

Can you confirm the next shipment of rifles please the last shipment wasn't enough to cover pre orders in front of me and im still without rifle :/

[BLACKW47CH]

A big bunch of 3-pack magazines have been shipped out as well this week and should hit retailers soon

Well that just wasn't true was it. UK retailer Land Warrior received 2x mag packs. 2!!! This is fast becoming a joke.

[blobface]

Jesus calm down, this is airsoft, when they say something released in 2 months time, if it's still not out in a years time it's not exactly unusual, just wait and there'd be more available, it's not like they are holding all the mags in a storage somewhere because they prefer to not make money. 

[Rob15]

Jesus calm down, this is airsoft, when they say something released in 2 months time, if it's still not out in a years time it's not exactly unusual, just wait and there'd be more available, it's not like they are holding all the mags in a storage somewhere because they prefer to not make money. 

Indeed, and a 'big bunch' doesn't mean a big bunch to a single retailer, I'd bet they're trying to split the supply fairly evenly across the stockists that have had the AEG itself.

[BLACKW47CH]

You can call me Jesus, but BLACKW47CH is fine.

 

Have you 2 spent £350 on a rifle you can't use because you only have 1 75rnd mag?

[Rob15]

You can call me Jesus, but BLACKW47CH is fine.

 

Have you 2 spent £350 on a rifle you can't use because you only have 1 75rnd mag?

I spent £320 on a rifle I couldn't use because the fps was 50 over site limits and due to a stupid design flaw of a flimsy hopup unit fitted into the gearbox shell which unsuprisingly snapped in half during re-assembly after removing the gearbox from the body to get to the quick change spring guide which could have been accessed by removing the stock with the application of some design sense, then had to wait for 2 years for a replacement hopup unit, which when fitted didn't feed properly and ended up selling the gun in parts at a £200 loss.

 

You have a usable gun and extra magazines are being distributed, be it slowly, I could happily skirmish with a single 75rnd mag if needed, I couldn't skirmish with an AEG that was hot, I'd much rather have been in your position.

[scorch]

I think this is appropriate.

 

[blobface]

 

I think this is appropriate.

 

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You're right. 

[GroundZeroUK]

The problem is that the communication from asg to the retailers is rubbish and in turn leaving customers in the dark as to what's going on we appreciate kireru taking his own time out to respond to us and keep us informed which he doesn't have to do to be fair.

 

 

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[bobbyc222]

JD have another load of Scorpions in which they are dishing out today, and by the sounds of it they have a few mag packs which they are sending out with them.  Don't expect them to have many (any) left after filing the preorders though...

[Ryaw]

I've been checking UK retailers (Landwarrior,JD Airsoft and Patrol Base) every day for the past 2 weeks and yesterday I noticed that JD were showing an Evo as 'In Stock', so I checked LW, who my pre-order was with and noticed that they were showing only 1 spare box of mags in stock, which I quickly snapped up, hoping that it wasn't a system glitch.

 

 

I then phoned LW and asked if they'd had a delivery from ASG and was asked to call back in the afternoon, once they had counted their stock. I was busy during the afternoon and forgot to phone before they closed, but I noticed that I'd been sent an e-mail from them confirming that my order (Evo and free spare box of mags negotiated by me in place of the free soft case) had been dispatched, but it did not say exactly what items were included.

 

 

Since I hadn't paid for delivery, I figured that "dispatched" was a standard phrase, meaning that my Evo was ready to be collected, as agreed when I purchased it, so I drove to the shop this morning, only to be told that it had been posted to me last night by mistake. D’oh! Thankfully I was also there to look at the original CZ iron sights too, which I was able to do (more on that in a second).

 

 

As it turns out, LW initially only received 12 of their original 20 pre-orders from ASG and then only a further 1 Evo yesterday, along with just 2 spare boxes of mags (one was my free mags for the pre-order just like JD were doing and the other was spare). So I was very lucky to get both!

 

 

They still had the pre-sale version available to play with in the shop, so I fitted the CZ/LPA iron sights to see how they were and the front sight (£43) is lovely. EXTREMELY tight fit, which is GUARANTEED to shave some of the polymer of the front of the rail when sliding on, but held very securely in place. It WON’T get lost! I had to use a hammer and significant force to get it along the rail far enough to use the included grub screws. Now that it’s on, It ain’t coming off without more hammering. The white ball on the sight post is excellent and is a pleasure to use. It takes a 2.0 sized allen key to fit.

 

 

Unfortunately I found the rear sight (£93) to be far too low on the rail for me to use with my naked cheek, let alone my full-face mesh mask. Even when turned up to its highest setting, I still found myself looking way over the top of it. At £93, I was not happy enough with it to just buy it. It is super easy to install with its screw-type adjustable clamp though.

 

 

Queue trying different dot sights out, including a nice reflex sight and a medium mount T1, neither of which really floated my boat, as I’m not used to optics, only irons. So I tried fitting a PTS MBUS2 rear sight, which when flipped up, was far too high and totally blocked out the front sight. However, I mistakenly noticed that when folded, but with the smaller split peep-hole up, it lined up much better with the front sight, compared to the CZ/LPA and may be a useable alternative....although I’d want to drill out the smaller peep hole (the only one you can use when folded like this) to make it as big as the larger one.

 

 

So basically, beware if ordering the expensive CZ/LPA iron sights, as they are very low and will not suit those used to higher folding sights. Try them out first if you can, especially the rear. So I just bought the front sight, as I think I can probably get away with using just that to be honest, but I’m thinking of trying a replica SRS dot sight too. If it’s not suitable and I absolutely need a rear sight, I’ll go with the MBUS2, folded flat.

 

 

Anyway I raced back home preying to the airsoft Gods, to find that UPS hadn’t been yet and as I was typing this, the Evo arrived, with the spare mags.....so I now have 7. Happy days! There is minimal mag wobble, not really noticeable at all. I’m 6’3” and with the stock at it’s shortest without being folded, there is no wobble. But when it’s at its midway or fully extended point, there is some noticeable wobble, but it’s fairly minimal to be honest. With the stock folded, there is no wobble. I require the stock fully extended, but my mate at 6'1" prefers it fully closed. The controls click nicely when selecting fire modes and I think there is a nice kick to the gun (I know it’s not a recoil) when firing.

 

 

Installing the battery is fiddly and you need to be careful that the bolt release doesn't damage the battery wires. The battery *beep* is a nice feature. Don’t leave your lipo in the gun when not being used, as you’ll drain it to death quite quickly. My Evo was chrono’d at 310FPS by LW with a receipt to say so. LW mentioned that the trigger pull on mine is VERY light and I have to agree. On the 11.1V Lipo (WE Europe nun-chuck 1450mAh), the single shot is super fast and crisp. Same with 3-round burst and full auto. However, using my own personal Madbull chrono (haters gonna hate), it scored an average of 290FPS with the hop off and 280FPS with the hop set. I’ll put that down to difference in chrono manufacture. Even being so low, the gun still chucks the BB's out very quickly with no perception of the 280FPS being a problem. LW did say that some of the first Evo's they received had M120 springs in the them and required to be chopped.

 

 

At first glance, without being able to accurately measure it, the range appears to be brilliant, easily on par my TM HK416 Devgru, using .25g’s. Although I suspect the Evo will easily out-range the TM with a higher powered spring, which I will soon have 2 of (M90 and M100), ready to install. I only required 4 clicks of the hop for .25g’s, as it over hops them on the 5^th click. I’ve yet to try other ammo weights. The hop adjust can be used with bare fingers, not gloves, as it is very tight for space, but will take a size 3.0 allen key to adjust if required. I’m 6’3” and average build. People with bear-hands/sausage fingers will need an allen key.

 

 

I chrono’d the Evo with a brand new M100 and it was doing an average of 368FPS with the hop off and 367FPS with it set. So approx 90FPS difference between standard and an ASG Ultimate M100. I’m leaving that spring in the gun just now, to compress it and see if the FPS drops to 350FPS. I’ve also ordered an M90 just to be on the safe side. Range between the two springs didn’t appear to be noticeably affected, but I cannot confirm for certain just now. The quick change spring is nice and easy. Just push the spring guide in a bit with the stock folded and push the stock up to remove it. Then push the spring guide in with and allen key and twist 90 degrees to release the spring. Easy!

 

 

Whilst in store, I also checked out the foam-filled hard case, which is a very solid, very nice bit of kit. But at £99, it’s a bit expensive. If I fall in love with the Evo as much as I think I’m going to, I may well buy one. LW has 7 in stock. The case has cut outs for a battery and 6 mags (2 in each cut-out), the Evo itself, but not the iron sights. Although the foam will easily stretch to accommodate them and also has room to cut away more foam to fit an optic or a further space for another mag x2 deep. I was impressed with the hard case, but did not get the chance to compare it to a soft case.

 

 

I’ve also ordered a thread adaptor from Patrol Base, as I want the option of running a tracer unit for night and indoor games.

 

 

I’ve only quickly tested the Evo with a few of the mags, but I can report no issues so far with BB’s spilling out whilst loading or slapping the mag about in my hands, so that’s good. They seem solid and feed well every time. The mags are noticeably wider than similar MP7/MP5 mags and will likely not fit pouches made for either, although I hear Bulle branded triple pouches are the exception. I was considering HSGI Extended Pistol taco’s but given the width of the Evo’s mags I’m thinking that I’d struggle to have all 6 rows of molle on my plate carrier filled without gap, with individual tacos (expensive at £25 per taco), which is pretty awkward. I won’t know though until I eventually get some.

 

 

Although in saying that, I’ve just tested them in my Tactical Tailor Triple M4 pouch with attached magnet-fitted pistol pouches and they fit pretty well, because they’re the same height and depth as M4 mags, but have about 2cm-3cm less width. The attached bungee cords are holding them nicely in place and even without the bungees, they’re not easily going to fall out due to the depth being the same. So basically single M4 pouches will work if they’re not too loose. Double-M4 pouches (i.e. space for 2x M4 mags in each pouch) may be the ideal solution, so the Evo mags can be stored front to back, rather than flat.

 

 

Overall the Evo is solid, compact, lightweight, (I think great looking, but no accounting for taste) and performs brilliantly (so far, having not been skirmished). I’m hopeful that it’ll be my favourite gun for indoors and outdoors and I may even consider selling my new 416.

 

 

Oh and JD Airsoft are now Out of Stock for the Evo and mags, whereas Patrol Base has no mags, but does have at least 1, if not more Evo’s In Stock for £359! I’m sure that won’t last long!

 

 

Come on ASG, get your production and supply lines sorted!!

[Rob15]

Come on ASG, get your production and supply lines sorted!!

I would suspect the problem is they're not actually ASG's production lines so to speak, it seems unlikely that they've setup an entire factory in Denmark themselves and purchased every machine required to make the EVO parts, or even the main ones at that, the cost would extremely high for a product in a niche market and the numbers retailers are actually receiving would suggest that is the case.

 

I had some compartment trays/boxes injection moulded for me just a couple of months ago by a specialist manufacturer who already had the mould (stock product, manufactured to order) and that took just over 5 weeks before they came up on their production schedule and were made, ASG could quite easily be having similar waits on parts if they are being injection moulded for them, but with the problem multiplied by the number of parts required to make up an EVO and it's magazines.

 

That said given that ASG is a pretty major player in the airsoft market it's suprising they didn't manufacture at least 1 - 2 boxes of magazines to ship with every EVO sent out so far, I'm sure there must be a reason for not doing that though, as Blobface says, they're not going to not make extra magazines if they are able to and miss out on potential profit.

[Ryaw]

So I ordered the Thread Adapter yesterday afternoon from Patrol Base and it arrived this afternoon, so kudos to them for such quick shipment.

 

Unfortunately ASG in their wisdom decided to make it incompatible with TM products. I've tried both the shorty silencer and the tracer unit, neither of which will fit without a further 14mm CCW to 14mm CW (or whatever), adapter = more bloody money to be spent. Not amused. But that's small potatoes overall.

[Rob15]

Unfortunately ASG in their wisdom decided to make it incompatible with TM products. I've tried both the shorty silencer and the tracer unit, neither of which will fit without a further 14mm CCW to 14mm CW (or whatever), adapter = more bloody money to be spent. Not amused. But that's small potatoes overall.

To be fair I have come across plenty of TM threaded parts which are not to ISO specification, the idea of making something like an M14x1, M14x1 left hand or M16x1 thread to ISO spec seems a foreign idea in airsoft, my thread adapters are made out of spec on purpose to make sure they fit most/all accessories in the 'same' thread, it's quite mad and irritating really.

[Ryaw]

So I've now ordered a further 14mm CW to 14mm CCW thread adapter for my new 18mm CW to 14mm CW Evo thread adapter, lol and hopefully that will solve the issue. I already own an LPE 16mm CW to 14mm CCW adapater for my MK23 SOCOM and it's lovely, so thanks for that, if you're responsible for LPE.

 

I've also put in motion the purchase of a rear flip-up sight which I think is perfect for my needs, but appears to only exist in the US..... Umarex Elite Force Flip-up Front & Rear Sights, with included open pistol style white dots when folded flat........Very nice idea and exactly what I was looking for. I'll use the EF rear with the CZ/LPA front. So the SRS is on hold at present.

[Pdubyuh]

Still waiting on my preorder from JD apparently I was 13th on the list but I've heard nothing yet!!

[Ryaw]

My M90 spring arrived today and averaged 324FPS with the hop off, so that'll do nicely for CQB. I'll keep the M100 for outdoors.

 

I tested the range a bit more with the M100 and different weights of BB's.

 

0.25g bio's set to 3 clicks of hop were pretty flat with minimal spread and went very far (no specific distances, but I was impressed). 

 

I then tried 0.30g Blaster Devils and with 5 clicks of the hop, the trajectory was brilliantly straight/flat with a nice heavy impact noise and range was excellent. So for woodland, I'll be running 0.30g's, but will be limited to 0.25g's for indoors at local sites.

 

Heavier ammo seems to perform better, so I'll also likely try Blaster Devil 0.28g's at a later date, as it was apparently designed for ASG's own ammo. I may pick up some normal 0.25g Blasters as well for comparison.

 

I may skirmish the Evo this Sunday if I can.

[F1nduz]

Im definetly looking forward to see my EVO arrive
(According to the dealer where i ordered, schould there be approximately 3-4 weeks until it arrives...)

Do Any of u know what the Rate Of Fire is on the Scorpion (one of the fields where i play has ROF restrictions)
I would be very happy if someone of u know it's ROF (Both on 11.1 and 7,4 Li-PO)

I am Sorry for my not so good English (I am Danish, and English isnt exactly one of my stronger languages to when it comes to writing and spelling) 


 

[Ryaw]

You'll need to watch the video above for rate of fire. All I know is mine is pretty fast.

 

So I skirmished my Evo today for the the first time and I was grinning like an idiot at the range this thing gets! It easily out-ranged my TM and my other longest ranging AEG and that was with 0.30g BB's, which the others struggled with. I got some really sweet kills in woodland with semi auto. It shoots very far and very straight with heavier ammo. Suffice to say, I was extremely happy with the Evo's performance. It's easily the best AEG I've ever owned in 6 years...............

 

.........However, it's now buggered

It stopped working during the 2nd game of the day. I had a few BB jams using 0.30g ASG Blaster Devils, which required return trips to the safe zone to use a cleaning rod. That was annoying and from speaking to another Evo owner on site, he warned me about using Blaster Devils, saying that the .28g's Blaster Devils he was using caused him jams too. He changed his ammo type and got no more jams. So I reverted to the 0.25g Bio BB's that I use in all my guns and the jamming stopped. So it looks like Blaster Devils are a no-go for the Evo, which is strange considering they are ASG made.  I'll try Airsoft Surgeon ones in future.

 

Anyway, the Evo died after I emptied a mag on full auto to test the 0.25g's weren't jamming. It gave a double beep, so I tried changing the battery, but every time I pull the trigger, it gives the same double beep and does not shoot.

 

I removed the spring to let me see inside the gearbox and when I pull the trigger, the Evo beeps twice and the gears do not move at all. It does sound like the motor is trying to turn before the beeps happen. So I'm guessing that there is either a gearbox jam, a motor issue or a mosfet/ascu issue. Either way it's going back to Landwarrior to get sorted. I just hope it's something simple and won't happen again.

 

The other guy's Evo performed flawlessly all day and is on it's 2nd skirmish. So maybe I got a lemon?

 

I'm gutted about mine being dead, as it's simply fantastic and I think I'll definitely buy another one as a backup.......assuming it's a simple fix for mine and not a design flaw.

[Kireru]

Hey guys - I'm back from vacation, sorry for the no reply time. I got some updates and answers, but just gotta get settled in and confirmed some things, then I'll post some more here... 

 

 

 

OH and Ryaw - Awesome write up... I'll address your issue as well.

[BLACKW47CH]

Just used mine for 2 days at the National Airsoft Festival and it perform well on G&G .28gs . Probably only fired about 1500 rounds though.

 

I have an MP5 fitted with an ASCU, and the manual say this for a double beep...

 

[wulfman81]

Hey Guys,

 

I'm an Evo owner from Austria and i have to say this is one of the best guns i have ever used. Performance out of the box is simply stunning. I also installed a PDI 6.01 Barrel with elongated RHop... What can i say... Its a absolutely beast... With the standard m120 spring it chronos (0.20) with 440Fps. Overall i'm very pleased with it, i only have a little problem with it, the Stock has a little wobble in the hinge (about 1-2mm). I have to install a rubber shim between stock and hinge surface to be sturdy and solid with fixed stock. How is the stock behavior on your guns? Is mine the only one with that issue?

Thx a lot