blobface Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 They're looking for testers, but seems fairly promising especially with their little animation explaining the concept... would have to see an accuracy test later which they would probably post. Link to post Share on other sites
gisburn20 Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 Hmm, I like the look of this, the animation looks good and I'd like to have a play with some of these. Jim Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted May 12, 2013 Report Share Posted May 12, 2013 So, If I got it right, this is another Flat hop bucking... lets see how range and precision improve Link to post Share on other sites
QQexDERA Posted May 14, 2013 Report Share Posted May 14, 2013 Yup, just another flat hop. Still not going to be as effective as an R-Hop, but it's got to better than the A+ attempt at a flat type hop-up system Link to post Share on other sites
Kalashnikov_kid Posted May 14, 2013 Report Share Posted May 14, 2013 Already used both the AEG and VSR/1911 rubbers. Very good range on both with much better groupings than the A+ rubbers. Come with a very nice concave bridge type spacer (on AEG version) Dboys AK was ranging my flat hop'd 16 but at only 280 fps compared to my 348. Make of that what you will Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Dboys AK was ranging my flat hop'd 16 but at only 280 fps compared to my 348. Make of that what you will Sorry, didnt get this part. So, you already tested the Ra-Tech bucking? lucky These alternatives are a step in the right direction, but I think they could make it better, releasing a barrel+chamber+bucking combo with an enlongated version of the flat hop, I tried it once and even a poor finished prototype slinged BBs to crazy ranges just with an ICS stock barrel and no chamber mods XD Link to post Share on other sites
Kalashnikov_kid Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 been out on EBairsoft for a while now. I have a flat hopped G&P M16 running 348 fps. My brother in laws DBOYs AKMS had the maple leaf fitted and clocked in around 280fps. both weapons have a very similar range when tested side by side. I appoligise for my first post, I may have been slightly on the beer! Hope this clears it up Dave Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 The one in Ebairsoft is a mappleleaf monster, this one is a RA-Tech monster and is supposed to be "new" and unreleased... seems like RA-Tech didnt do the homework when choosing the products name Thanks for the opinion on both systems Kalashnikov-kid Link to post Share on other sites
volante Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 one problem about some Taiwan made Hop rubber is, they're too hard. Their product have to maintain its elastic under hot and humidity climate, so their hop tends to be too hard for other countries. One of my friend tried AST blue hop rubber on his LM4 and ruined its accuracy horribly. He's now using KWA original with modified hop spring and very happy with it. and A+ devil hop was also terrible for my guns. Link to post Share on other sites
Number5 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Is this out yet? Can't seem to find it on ratech/AST sites. I realise its only been 2 weeks, any of the testers tested it yet? Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Too soon, mate! they have to choose among the applicants, send the protos, be installed, skirmished, reports writen, studied and finally be put into production... I wouldnt expect a final product or early review until mid summer to say the least... Link to post Share on other sites
sharingan Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 alright..I made a short video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mgXaT5uzLJs#! Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 Looks good, mate! thanks for the video, but, is that a VSR bucking? because the barrel cut seems like it is, but the bucking shape is more like an AEG type... certainly confused there. Anyway, waiting for the shooting test, but if I can ask you, could you please tell the temperature which the gun has been tested in? these new HK/taiwan buckings are horrible in cold weather Thanks for the effort Link to post Share on other sites
sharingan Posted June 4, 2013 Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 It looks like a modified vsr bucking without the square (outside). I put them into the VSR barrel and it fits but not installed into the VSR10 chamber yet. I would say that the bucking is little bit softer than the Guarder 70degree bucking but I can`t confirm 100%. Temperature should be 20 to 30celcius -> in austria the summer does not arrived yet. Lets see how the bucking performs. I will install them into my upped TM P90 which have a untouched TM Bucking and Barrel. Accuracy test will be made in 60m (target) and I will ask a friend to be a target and see what is the maximum range of this combo. P90 shooting around 360-380fps (forgot the exact fps now. I am also thinking install the combo into a brand new TM G36C (stock) Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 I have one of these and I'll be seeing how good it is on Sunday. Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of space at home to try it out. Link to post Share on other sites
sharingan Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 OK I tried it. Well I don`t have words how to describe it. The performence is par with a prometheus setup. same range, some CTC (44cm) from 40meter target. I don`t know if I should make the work to cut the video I made today. @Darklite I hope you have better result than me Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Thanks for the first impressions, if a bucking can be equal to a whole setup, I believe there is room for improvement with a TBB and other bits Link to post Share on other sites
sharingan Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Well I think there are no room for improvements . As you remember from my preview video it came already with a tbb. The BB I used are on of the best on the market -> Bioval 0.25g but for a serious test I have to fix the gun 100% and have to be a indoor test. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Im sorry, my bad, didnt remember that detail, but I think that using heavier ammo would yield better results as the barrel is designed to make the BB spin more, like the monster bucking. Waiting for more in depth opinions and reviews Link to post Share on other sites
sharingan Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 I found out that I have some innerbarrel wobble issue -> now I wrapped one layer of electronic tape and one layer teflontape around the electronic tape. This would explain the "bad" result of both setups. Yes I think I need heavier ammo cause to reach the 60meter I have to overhop both setups ( 380fps 0,2g without Hopup applied). But my question is: who is playing with 0,3g or 0,4g BBs with a assault rifle unless you are rich. Most common ammo are 0,2 or 0,25g I don`t know how I should make a video review wihtout to much trouble/effort. what do you think of that plan? -P90 370fps with AST setup -M4 380 fps with Prometheus setup -VFC 380fps with Prome barrel and A+ bucking and testshoot within 40meters I tried today to make a compare between AST and PRome in the M4 (have 2 hopup chambers and barrel that i have switched) but it`s pain in the *albatross* to swap them-> did not filmed where I switched the barrel so no video proof! Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Well, for my rifleman M4 I use 0.28g BBs (bio), I just found the ICS ones are cheap and good enough for the setup and my happy trigger finguer Link to post Share on other sites
gisburn20 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Guarder 0.28 hpm's cheap enough to use in all my aegs, £10 for 3700 @ Firesupport. Most sites charge round me charge £8/£10 for bottles of 3000 x 0.2's... Always amazes me how people can spend hundreds of pounds on upgrading their aegs, then buy the cheapest 0.2's they can find! I am still trying to get my team mates to step up their ammo to 0.25's, they just cant get their heads around it. Heavier ammo = better range and accuracy. Jim Link to post Share on other sites
richwuk Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 When I was using .28's, I seemed to have less of a problem with people taking their hits...maybe better to use heavier ammo in winter when people are wearing more/thicker layers. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Same here, either 0.28g or Bioval 0.3g is my favourite. Spend less bb-s to get same results. Lonex M4 running at 400FPS w/ 0.2g. Link to post Share on other sites
TnL Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 wait... people actually use .2s for more than just chronoing?!?! .25 is the lightest I would EVER use in a game, and an outdoor game its .3 and up... Link to post Share on other sites
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