4dEFCON Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 That's right folks, looks like the Supercell ASC7 just got a whole lot sexier! Check out the you tube vid: From what I can make out the unit is priced at $125 for 1 claymore with the laser unit. You can also still use the radio keyfob or traditional trip-wire function also. Pretty sweet. Link to post Share on other sites
teflon don Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 looks greats where do they sell these Link to post Share on other sites
bal541 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 very cool Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 That looks good. I wish the remote detonator looked more like the real clacker detonator. That's one thing I really liked about the Gamma Claymore was that they came with a realistic looking detonator. Using the ASC7's remote detonator makes me feel like I'm locking my car. I wonder if you can make the Gamma detonator work with the ASC7 detonator? It should be the same type of technology as it's all using car remote type frequencies... Link to post Share on other sites
jond36 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 I think most would agree that this unit will wipe out the old claymores off the market. Great model. Link to post Share on other sites
4dEFCON Posted October 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 To be honest, they're all pretty good and pretty much the same mechanically. When we reviewed the AEG Arms model (which is basically an ACM clone), it performed really well. Hell of a range on the key-fob transmitter and quite a decent size spread too. Definately better for use in CQB situations, put one of these babys covering a corridor and thats a force multiplier, you're saving one man having to cover that angle. The review of the ACM model is here: http://www.defconairsoft.co.uk/reviews/aeg...ymorereview.htm I think most would agree that this unit will wipe out the old claymores off the market. Great model. Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteHawksan Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 This is rather good, both in woodland defense and in CQB. May well end up picking one of these up.. or an ACM clone Link to post Share on other sites
chownsy Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 This is rather good, both in woodland defense and in CQB. May well end up picking one of these up.. or an ACM clone None of the clones have lasers on them and setting a manual tripwire can sometimes be awkward (i have never managed once to set a manual trip wire on mine) Link to post Share on other sites
Atomic Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 looks greats where do they sell these http://www.supercelldev.com/index.php Been around for a while and really great guys. Link to post Share on other sites
RUSHER2 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Hmm, I don't like the whole "rat trap, old school mine idea, the escort claymore would have been a much better internal design. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Hmm, I don't like the whole "rat trap, old school mine idea, the escort claymore would have been a much better internal design. ... what's wrong with it? It's a relatively simple design that works. Link to post Share on other sites
TDS Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Hmm, I don't like the whole "rat trap, old school mine idea, the escort claymore would have been a much better internal design. What part of the escort was better? the leak-prone clacker that held the gas for the system? the pneumatic tubing you had to run to each claymore to set them off? The irreplaceable black rubber stoppers that blew out after firing held to the claymore by only string? Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Exactly my thinking. The Escort Claymore always seemed like a lot more error prone than the simple spring loaded system of the ASC7. It's not like the gas system gave you any ridiculous advantages over the spring system. You're not shooting for range or ROF after all. On another note, I emailed ASC7 to see if they had any insight into whether or not it'd be possible to make a Gamma Detonator work with the ASC7. If it were possible, I'm definitely buying one or two. Fingers crossed. Link to post Share on other sites
4dEFCON Posted October 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 A pressure pad trigger would be quite cool too! To be honest i'm sure you could rig something up to that effect, they sell them for alarm systems at various electronics shops such as Maplin (do they still have radioshack in the U.S?) Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 do they still have radioshack in the U.S? Shockingly ... yes. Link to post Share on other sites
Noveske Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I made one of these laser tripwire things to set off an alarm in Highschool. Same principle. I'll post the design later. The rest is up to you Link to post Share on other sites
MCXL Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 This is pretty cool. Link to post Share on other sites
DrKalinka Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Am i the only one who spots problems here? I hope not. Firstly, if its based on reflection. Laser shoots out, hits a "mirror" and goes back to the sensor. This will be retardedly difficult to aim as well as the doorframe, trees, etc. being oddly shaped making the placement of the laser difficult or even impossible as it will fall off at some point. If the sensor is just placed on the opposite side of the laser, then you have a black wire going in the front of the door, making the attacker aware of the mine. It runs on batteries... They fail at some point also. It drains enough with just the radio receiver. Link to post Share on other sites
Noveske Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Am i the only one who spots problems here? I hope not. Firstly, if its based on reflection. Laser shoots out, hits a "mirror" and goes back to the sensor. This will be retardedly difficult to aim as well as the doorframe, trees, etc. being oddly shaped making the placement of the laser difficult or even impossible as it will fall off at some point. If the sensor is just placed on the opposite side of the laser, then you have a black wire going in the front of the door, making the attacker aware of the mine. It runs on batteries... They fail at some point also. It drains enough with just the radio receiver. Cant the mirror unit be adjustable? Can the laser have an independant battery source across from the sensor? Your AEG runs on batteries too, too bad if it fails on you more often than not. In short, I don't see any of these points you've made as being major problems. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Got a response from Supercell regarding using the Gamma's detonator with the ASC7: Thanks for contacting us. And yes the new ASC7 is a lot stronger and better for sure. Did you see our new Laser Tripwire video online? Now on your question about the Gamma clacker. No it doesn't work with our unit. For one thing we didn't want our unit being influenced by an Gamma users and visa versa. We wanted to make the real clacker that comes with a Claymore but the cost was way to much to have to pass on to the end user. Plus we actually bought one of the Gamma's just to see what it did. We were actually disappointed with the Clacker since they went to the trouble to make it but didn't make it the real size of one. Also we found that the clacker can be a little cumbersome when trying to get to it and fire it in a actual battle. When we just hooked our keyfob to our zipper on our Tac Vest we just reach up and hit the button and move on. And that is just what people told us they liked about the keyfob instead of the clacker. But the clacker in whatever size does add to the look of the over all unit. And we do wish we could have done it cheaply. But being a US company and not in China again the cost was way to much to pass on. I hope I answered your question and didn't ramble on to much. Anyway... Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thanks, Jon Supercell Dev. Inc. While it doesn't have a clacker ... I do appreciate the response and they've satisfactorily answered my questions. I think I'm still going to get one to try out. Possibly two of them if they work out well. Link to post Share on other sites
DrKalinka Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Cant the mirror unit be adjustable? Can the laser have an independant battery source across from the sensor? Your AEG runs on batteries too, too bad if it fails on you more often than not. In short, I don't see any of these points you've made as being major problems. Yeah, my AEG runs on a battery. A 5000mAh battery. The laser runs on a Duracell. A standard AA i guess. They dont last long even though the Duracell rabbit does... Also, even though the mirror is adjustable, its hard to make it stay in the absolute right position as you have to make the laser hit directly in the sensor. Too be honest, i would want this if i was to set it up in a hurry, but if you play regularly in a CQB environment and have time to set it up, id gladly buy a couple. But if its a simple laser to sensor and not laser-mirror-sensor then you'd have that wire running across the door, making it kinda obvious that there is a claymore there... Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Personally, I'm actually more excited by the remote detonation. In ambush scenarios, I can see this being awesome as sometimes I can anticipate where the enemy will most likely come from. Setting up a couple claymores in a strategic place can both take out large groups of enemy as well as cause confusion which will make a perfect opportunity to attack. Link to post Share on other sites
TDS Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yeah, my AEG runs on a battery. A 5000mAh battery. The laser runs on a Duracell. A standard AA i guess. They dont last long even though the Duracell rabbit does... Also, even though the mirror is adjustable, its hard to make it stay in the absolute right position as you have to make the laser hit directly in the sensor. Too be honest, i would want this if i was to set it up in a hurry, but if you play regularly in a CQB environment and have time to set it up, id gladly buy a couple. But if its a simple laser to sensor and not laser-mirror-sensor then you'd have that wire running across the door, making it kinda obvious that there is a claymore there... It's probably an IR light to a reflector which is pretty easy to aim since the reflector scatters the IR beam and sends it in a 45 degree cone "back" hiding a sensor is as easy as putting a leaf on the sides, or putting it under something, if the person is walking straight towards the reflector, they aren't going to walk through the claymore anyway. A smart player would probably make a little camoflaged enclosure for it as well so he can stab the claymore into the ground, stab the reflector into the ground, turn it on and leave in a few seconds. Link to post Share on other sites
Phoenix Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 No one is going to be looking that hard for it anyways, though I'd prefer remote control. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Been talking to John over at Supercell about the laser tripwire. I had previously assumed that the laser was a part of the claymore, and that the laser beam is reflected off a separate reflector on the other side of the trap. Now ... I only just realized after talking with Jon that the "laser trip wire" is a module that plugs directly into the Claymore but isn't actually a "laser" itself, simply a light receptor. The "laser" part of the setup is in fact a completely separate laser unit placed on the other side of the trap that shines a laser beam onto the "laser trip wire" module. When the laser trip wire module stops receiving the laser beam, due to the beam getting broken by a passerby, the receptor signals to the Claymore unit to detonate. If this is correct (which from what they described and from their videos sounds about right) hen that's a simpler and much smarter solution than the convoluted setup that I envisioned them using involving reflectors etc. This also begs the question: does Supercell include a laser for the user to use with the Claymore? Or does the customer have to supply his or her own laser? If the customer has to supply their own laser, is the laser trip wire module limited to any specific wavelengths (IR, or visible lasers only)? Does Supercell recommend any particular brand/model of laser to be used with the Claymore? This all makes me wonder about possible outdoor solutions for a laser setup (assuming you have to supply your own laser). Like having a laser attached to a simple stand who's legs are similar to that of the Claymore's own legs? That way, the laser will sit at about the same height as the claymore, can stand on concrete with ease, and could be stabbed into soil/sand quickly. To make setup even easier, if the laser itself can be mounted on some kind of simple ball joint which in turn is attached to the legs, that'll make aiming the laser (once the stand is shoved into the ground) much easier to setup. Interesting ... very interesting. I look forward to hearing their thoughts on this matter. They've also mentioned they're in the process of making a video of how they setup their tripwires indoors and outdoors, which I think will help a lot with the confusion we're all having (or at least I have been having). Link to post Share on other sites
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