Asahi M60 300ft test (video)

[hhsohn]

need to remind people that these guns dont walk on water when people post performance data of the top 2% of them.

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Huh? What do you mean by the last part of your sentence? Are you saying that the M60 was performing at top 2% of its performance, or that the M60 is top 2% performing gun? The former makes no sense, and in the latter it might as well be walking on water.

 

To clarify his remark about SniperX and AS4L work, how many 10mm OD tightbore barrel stock do you see out there? Also he's not a retail shop, but more of a well-experienced hobbiest with access to a machine shop one evening out of a week. He does honest and good work. Just need to understand that him and his brother's lives don't revolve around only you.

[ThePatriot]

Cool video. Only thing I can say is that about half of it could have been edited out. Would have been easier to just post the stats in the message instead of slowly cycle through them in the video.

[Trasher]

Cool video. Only thing I can say is that about half of it could have been edited out. Would have been easier to just post the stats in the message instead of slowly cycle through them in the video.

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The long walk part was put in there so people can count the steps back to the shooting position and see the wind effects. I "hard coded" as much data into the video as possible, to avoid any disinformation if the material is reposted elsewhere.

[Trasher]

Could this range hypothetically be achieved by any classic rifle with the demonstrated LRB system? Say a JAC M16 or something of the like, if it were fitted with an LRB?

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Yes. For example, Asahi Sterlings reported to reach the same distance with 8" long LRBs, with similar BB weights and velocities. So all you need is a BV-system gun which can take the barrel, an external rig, and a skilled classic airsmith...

 

I must note that classics are not as plug-and-play and user friendly as AEGs. My Asahi arrived last August and never went over 60-70 meters until I learned (half a year later) how to operate the system effectively, where to look for small bugs, etc.

[AustinWolv]

or example, Asahi Sterlings reported to reach the same distance with 8" long LRBs, with similar BB weights and velocities.

I can confirm that info since my teammate has a Super Sterling that does exactly that.....amazing range for that short of a replica.

 

One of these days, I'll get my rangefinder out on some of mine.

[samuka]

i was lucky to shoot Trashers M60.

Well, i loved most, you have to reload it after 30/60 shoots by pulling back the cocking handle. And when it runs out of bb, you have to open the feed cover and pour bb into.

This makes operating really enjoyable.

[TDS]

double post, see below

[TDS]

Who here is surprised that TDS had to bring his childish vendetta to this thread?  Just have to twist little details around to present them as "fact" for your malicious motive, eh TDS?

Actually, there isn't.  Except for you always trying to bash classics and badmouth anything associated with sniperx.

And indeed TDS isn't.  Because he speaks through his vendetta, not through objective information.

 

Kudos to Trasher for actually putting up ACTUAL information and proving it himself versus the subjective half-truths that TDS runs with.

It is accurate enough to hit a man-sized target at 80-100 yards.  That does nicely for support weapons.

Here's some old info on hopup systems, including LRBs:  http://www.classicairsoft.net/Articles/hopup/index.htm

 

The funny thing is that TDS always tries to claim the info is hidden and not shared.  It is right there, easy to see.  If it is so hidden, how did TDS clone a LRB as he claims?  TDS, do you expect Ford to provide their new engine design to Chevy? 

 

 

 

The chrono doesn't care how hard the gun is capable of shooting.  The chrono and event staff care how hard the BB is coming out of the gun.  Turning the hopup off is to catch those with adjustable hopups cranking them beyond what they would actually set them to for flat trajectory in order to slow down the BB to pass chrono.

Fixed-hopup guns and LRB-equipped guns are actually SAFER to chrono because their hopup can't be toyed with like adjustable hopup guns.  What they shoot is what they shoot.  You can't adjust a LRB gun to have HIGHER hopup and cheat the chrono because there is nothing to block the BB, i.e. slow it down to give a false reading.

Bitter much?  Tried to get the engineering specs out of him so you could copy the work and sell your own and since that didn't happen you bash him, Escort, and CA.net members on this site? 

The point was, that guns with fixed unadjustable hopups will shoot farther at a given crono than guns without one, simple because guns with adjustable hops fire at a lower overall energy.

 

Do you go around slamming Systema on various airsoft forums for not sharing their motor engineering drawings?  Or Prometheus for not providing us all the 3D database for their pistons?  No?  Then your  malicious intent is even more apparent.  Whatever little spat you and sniperx had in the past or if you just can't get your classics to work right and hate the world as a result......grow up and get over it. 

You aren't doing anything productive or even factual.

 

Nice blanket statement.  Some work just fine with .25g BBs.....do you consider those exceptionally heavy?  Others work better with .28g.  Done.  What's the problem?  Oh, or are you just trying yet another angle to badmouth classics?

I'll also take that "weird" trajectory any day of the week, as it is still flat enough to be incredibly effective in the field. 

Just stating the facts

My current sniper runs a hop barrel with a similiar trajectory, it did take a while to get used to it

 

What twisted angle are you going to try next?

I was thinking acute

 

Also need to remind people that you blast sniperx and classics every chance you get on this forum and CA.net.  You should also remind them that you don't have the balls to say it clearly, but instead employ snide, passive-aggressive remarks like a catty schoolgirl. 

I have multiple classics, including two Asahi M60s and an Asahi FNC, and an Asahi MINIMI in the past.  All of them performed exceptionally well.  And I still use and own AEGs, so don't try a weak comeback saying I only like classics.  Amazing that all of them were in the "top 2%" by your logic though.  I should play the lotto if I'm that lucky with the odds.

Guess you never scrimished with the MGC guns that you sell to people that dont know any better then

 

The Asahi M60 is the most reliable and best-performing combo I have yet to come across in airsoft. 

Agreed, as long as you get a DX/SDX or reinforce the big block the barrel hooks into

 

(Prediction:  TDS won't answer or else he'll have some weak angle to try and question how many replicas I've owned or time I've spent on the field)

 

How is this for an angle

Certain members of the classic community trump up classics continiously and leave out convienent facts.

Classic newbies buy a classic from you/darryl/ect.

Classic newbie is dissapointed that his gun shoots like garbage

75% of the time the Classic newbie picked up something like the toyjet P90 and sells it on

25% of the time the Classic newbie has sends the gun into sniperx for excessivly expensive "upgrades" costing several times the guns value.

After dropping 1-2k into a base rifle to get it to shoot slightly better than an aeg, he posts up

The value of classics stays high as performance expectations stay high

so its in EVERYONE'S best interest to keep an average persons expectations of a classic guns performance in the clouds.

[TDS]

Who here is surprised that TDS had to bring his childish vendetta to this thread?  Just have to twist little details around to present them as "fact" for your malicious motive, eh TDS?

Actually, there isn't.  Except for you always trying to bash classics and badmouth anything associated with sniperx.

And indeed TDS isn't.  Because he speaks through his vendetta, not through objective information.

 

Kudos to Trasher for actually putting up ACTUAL information and proving it himself versus the subjective half-truths that TDS runs with.

It is accurate enough to hit a man-sized target at 80-100 yards.  That does nicely for support weapons.

Here's some old info on hopup systems, including LRBs:  http://www.classicairsoft.net/Articles/hopup/index.htm

 

The funny thing is that TDS always tries to claim the info is hidden and not shared.  It is right there, easy to see.  If it is so hidden, how did TDS clone a LRB as he claims?  TDS, do you expect Ford to provide their new engine design to Chevy? 

 

 

 

The chrono doesn't care how hard the gun is capable of shooting.  The chrono and event staff care how hard the BB is coming out of the gun.  Turning the hopup off is to catch those with adjustable hopups cranking them beyond what they would actually set them to for flat trajectory in order to slow down the BB to pass chrono.

Fixed-hopup guns and LRB-equipped guns are actually SAFER to chrono because their hopup can't be toyed with like adjustable hopup guns.  What they shoot is what they shoot.  You can't adjust a LRB gun to have HIGHER hopup and cheat the chrono because there is nothing to block the BB, i.e. slow it down to give a false reading.

Bitter much?  Tried to get the engineering specs out of him so you could copy the work and sell your own and since that didn't happen you bash him, Escort, and CA.net members on this site? 

The point was, that guns with fixed unadjustable hopups will shoot farther at a given crono than guns without one, simple because guns with adjustable hops fire at a lower overall energy.

 

Do you go around slamming Systema on various airsoft forums for not sharing their motor engineering drawings?  Or Prometheus for not providing us all the 3D database for their pistons?  No?  Then your  malicious intent is even more apparent.  Whatever little spat you and sniperx had in the past or if you just can't get your classics to work right and hate the world as a result......grow up and get over it. 

You aren't doing anything productive or even factual.

 

Nice blanket statement.  Some work just fine with .25g BBs.....do you consider those exceptionally heavy?  Others work better with .28g.  Done.  What's the problem?  Oh, or are you just trying yet another angle to badmouth classics?

I'll also take that "weird" trajectory any day of the week, as it is still flat enough to be incredibly effective in the field. 

Just stating the facts

My current sniper runs a hop barrel with a similiar trajectory, it did take a while to get used to it

 

What twisted angle are you going to try next?

I was thinking acute

 

Also need to remind people that you blast sniperx and classics every chance you get on this forum and CA.net.  You should also remind them that you don't have the balls to say it clearly, but instead employ snide, passive-aggressive remarks like a catty schoolgirl. 

I have multiple classics, including two Asahi M60s and an Asahi FNC, and an Asahi MINIMI in the past.  All of them performed exceptionally well.  And I still use and own AEGs, so don't try a weak comeback saying I only like classics.  Amazing that all of them were in the "top 2%" by your logic though.  I should play the lotto if I'm that lucky with the odds.

Guess you never scrimished with the MGC guns that you sell to people that dont know any better then

 

The Asahi M60 is the most reliable and best-performing combo I have yet to come across in airsoft. 

Agreed, as long as you get a DX/SDX or reinforce the big block the barrel hooks into

 

(Prediction:  TDS won't answer or else he'll have some weak angle to try and question how many replicas I've owned or time I've spent on the field)

 

How is this for an angle

Certain members of the classic community trump up classics continiously and leave out convienent facts.

Classic newbies buy a classic from you/darryl/ect.

Classic newbie is dissapointed that his gun shoots like garbage

75% of the time the Classic newbie picked up something like the toyjet P90 and sells it on

25% of the time the Classic newbie has sends the gun into sniperx for excessivly expensive "upgrades" costing several times the guns value.

After dropping 1-2k into a base rifle to get it to shoot slightly better than an aeg, he posts up

The value of classics stays high as performance expectations stay high

so its in EVERYONE'S best interest to keep an average persons expectations of a classic guns performance in the clouds.

[marimba]

Hmm...I don't know TDS or claim to. I do do however know AustinWolv. He is one of the best and most dedicated airsofters you will ever know. I am sure that he needs no one to fight any sort of battle for him. I'm certain that AustinWolv fully knows what he is speaking of. He uses classics and regular AEGs nearly every weekend. As someone who plays against him I can promise that he does not go around spouting off about the advantages of classics over AEGs...He does however use them to great advantage.

[Trasher]

One year ago I was a complete newb to classic guns. No one trumped up guns for me. I received great feedback about the models I was interested in (Asahi LMGs and SPs) - in fact, AustinWolv was the most helpful and honest guy from the whole community. My worst experience so far was a 10+ month waiting for a custom gun, but in the end I got what I ordered... Now I have three classics. But I did my own research before buying.

 

Most of those who get disappointed are impulse buyers with little to zero basic knowledge, but very high expectations. And they want to spend as little as possible - on an used, oldtimer gun. Classics are not for everyone, do your homework before buying!

 

Value of classics stay high since THEY ARE COLLECTOR PIECES, THEY ARE NO LONGER MADE. The few exceptions (like Escort, Shoei, etc) are manufactured by small companies in very low production numbers. Limited numbers, custom work commands HIGH prices.

 

TDS, please drop the "axis of classic airsoft evil" theory.

[AustinWolv]

I was thinking acute

"A cute" like your attempts to slander people and post twisted info to try to fool people who may not have the background to catch the inaccuracies and bias? Your blatant attempts to ruin business for DaryllZ, punchy (I assume him since he was the other big seller at CA.net), and sniperx are immature and disgusting since you don't have anything objective to use other than, "Waaah, someone told me xxx gun worked good, but it didn't." I'm wondering why you aren't out trashing TM, CA, G&P, G&G, Systema, and pretty much every other airsoft company out there whose products by nature have some weakness or downside to them?

Gee, couldn't be because you are just a hater with a grudge, could it?

 

Nevermind all the objective holes that others have poked in your baseless statements.

 

Guess you never scrimished with the MGC guns that you sell to people that dont know any better then

Thank you! You just proved my point that you have no idea what you are talking about. I am not a retailer, a distributor, a volume seller, or anything of the like. I have never sold a MGC (the company) or MGC (monsterairsoft electro-pnuematic mechbox) airsoft gun. I have never owned a MGC (the company) airsoft gun. I do own a monsterairsoft mechbox. You got me confused with punchy or something? I don't make or try to make a single cent on airsoft.

 

See, I don't work for, sponsor, or get benefits from any airsoft-related business. I am an airsoft hobbyist and player through and through. All the reviews and info I put out are from actual field experience as a player and as someone who paid for the products out of my own pocket. I don't get free products to review like some of the magazines and airsoft sites out there.

 

Perhaps you should know what you are talking about before replying again. But you did a nice job illustrating what you are being called out on: Negative comments that are not objective in nature, have a negative intent behind them in order to twist things, as well as not knowing what you are talking about.

That is why your biased comments may work on some forums, but anyone who spends a few minutes researching will see through your "truths".

 

Agreed, as long as you get a DX/SDX or reinforce the big block the barrel hooks into

It is called the trunion. You only need to do that if you plan on slinging the gun. Slings are for weaklings.

Just use a single-point sling if you need a sling. No worries then.

Should we list all the other airsoft guns that will have weak points if you sling them? As said earlier, every airsoft gun out there has some niggle that can be harped on.

What is your next biased attempt going to be?

 

Just stating the facts

My current sniper runs a hop barrel with a similiar trajectory, it did take a while to get used to it

No, you are trying to point out a characteristic as a "negative" when it amounts to next to nothing of consequence on the airsoft field. In other words, making a big deal out of nothing to try yet another negative angle. The amount of dip is negligible.

Your attempt is like saying, "Well, when I turn my AEG on its' side to shoot when laying down, it doesn't shoot straight-line anymore....."

Yeah.....so.......not a big deal, and it is the nature of our toy guns.

 

The point was, that guns with fixed unadjustable hopups will shoot farther at a given crono than guns without one, simple because guns with adjustable hops fire at a lower overall energy.

Yeah.....not.....that is why I have seen and used LRB-equipped guns that outrange sniper rifle replicas that have considerably more muzzle energy even with their hopup on.

Do you wish to attempt to explain that away also?

If you take a gun with adjustable hopup, leave the hopup on, and ensure it fires at XXX muzzle velocity with .2g with that hopup on, it will still not attain the range of a LRB-equipped gun shooting the same XXX muzzle velocity with .2g.

Can you explain why a 440fps/.2g AEG with a long inner barrel that ranges well for an AEG still does not range as well as a 400fps/.2g LRB-equipped classic?

Looks like your point has been addressed yet again.

 

How is this for an angle

Certain members of the classic community trump up classics continiously and leave out convienent facts.

And your role is to "save" everyone by posting slanted, inaccurate info to put a negative light on classics?  Pathetic.  Thanks for revealing your motive though.  Now, are you going to slander us classic users too, who poked holes in your info, on other sites?

Classic newbies buy a classic from you/darryl/ect.

Tell me how that is any different than some AEG newbie who wastes money on some LPEG at a store like Wal-mart or Academy Sports?  Or someone who wastes money on an UHC USP NBB?  Do your research and be an informed shopper.  Do you go to a car dealership, buy a car without knowing anything about it, and then blame the car salesman for selling it to you when you were the one who wanted it?

Or are you just holding a huge grudge because you didn't research and learn how to make the guns work correctly?

Again, I don't sell guns except for the average airsoft player's private transaction now and then and never have sold guns for a business or to make a lot of money.  Read farther down.

Classic newbie is dissapointed that his gun shoots like garbage

75% of the time the Classic newbie picked up something like the toyjet P90 and sells it on

Gee, sounds a lot like every airsoft player out there.  Player buys LPEG or cheap GBB, realizes it cannot take upgrades or it breaks after a short while, player then buys a CA or TM or one of the nicer clones that is showing up out there.  When does your campaign against Systema and other "evil" companies start since one of their parts broke in your gun even though they said it was reinforced?

Couldn't be that you are a hypocrite and only trying to slander those guys above, could it? 

Hopefully people see through your malicious garbage.

25% of the time the Classic newbie has sends the gun into sniperx for excessivly expensive "upgrades" costing several times the guns value.

List them.  You can't because you are lying.  What upgrade does sniperx offer that costs $300+?  That was a pathetically weak and slanderous comment.  Quit grasping.

After dropping 1-2k into a base rifle to get it to shoot slightly better than an aeg,

Another bald-faced lie

he posts up

The value of classics stays high as performance expectations stay high

so its in EVERYONE'S best interest to keep an average persons expectations of a classic guns performance in the clouds.

Go find the "quote" and link it.  Nice job taking info out of context and twisting it.  Quit throwing darts, hoping that something sticks and you can fool someone.

 

LOL! Again, I don't sell airsoft guns of any type. Stop, kick yourself repeatedly for not knowing what you are talking about, research, and then get your people straight before throwing out accusations.

But please, if you feel like sticking your foot in your mouth again, I guess you can feel free. It helps reinforce your "credibility".

 

Now that you realize that I'm just a normal player, what say you to all the holes I and other players continually point out in your info? Easier to just try to point out some other biased approach instead of respond, eh?

 

Again, nice blanket inaccurate statements. For less than a highly upgraded AEG, one can get a full-metal Escort-tuned gun.

$616 for a SPM16 that is Escort-tuned.

$636 for an Escort MP5.

Both of which, when coming from Escort, are field-skirmishable about of the box.

 

Funny, here's more stuff to shoot you down: Asahi FNC with LRB = $300-600 roughly, depending on length and condition. Throw in 10 mags at $50-60 each. $1000 total (or considerably less if someone is a patient, smart shopper). The price of a high-end upgraded AEG. And it'll shoot far superior to that AEG. Yes, far superior at the same muzzle energy. Don't bother refuting that since you simply cannot.

 

Slightly better

Man, you just can't get over your hate for classics, eh? Lying is such an ugly thing. Please stop, those statements are just so ludicrous they don't warrant wasting any more time responding.

 

Nobody is denying that there are pros and cons to every airsoft gun on the market, be it electric, gas, or spring. However, there is no need to trash classics with your slanted biases because of your personal hatred.

You got nothing objective, so quit wasting everyone's time and polluting a good, informative thread.

 

By the way, you can give me all the negative reputation points you want. It just helps reinforce your immature behavior and motives.

[TDS]

Thank you!  You just proved my point that you have no idea what you are talking about.  I am not a retailer, a distributor, a volume seller, or anything of the like.  I have never sold a MGC (the company) or MGC (monsterairsoft electro-pnuematic mechbox) airsoft gun.  I have never owned a MGC (the company) airsoft gun.  I do own a monsterairsoft mechbox.  You got me confused with punchy or something?  I don't make or try to make a single cent on airsoft.

nah I mistyped, I ment MMC, sorry

 

can a mod delete my triple post? thanky

[AustinWolv]

Regardless, I have never owned or sold a MMC either.

[sekiryu]

What's the point in arguing Classics vs. AEGs? Trasher said it himself:

 

I must note that classics are not as plug-and-play and user friendly as AEGs.

[AustinWolv]

What's the point in arguing Classics vs. AEGs?

I don't think anyone is. They were brought up as examples, not as which one is better or worse.

[pavel123]

"What's the point in arguing Classics vs. AEGs? Trasher said it himself:"

 

Nobody is.

[casey_cole]

Sorry for the slight necropost - but:

 

This long range barrel thingy - how does it work?

 

What difference does the offset make?

 

Lovely gun btw.

 

CC

[Trasher]

The LRB is installed into a BV-system, like this:

 

http://www.classicairsoft.net/images/bv.htm

 

The offset and the reciprocating barrel design is the key to the long range performance. The BB is positioned below the centerline of the bore and rolling into the barrel over a "feed ramp" like surface, straight up to the top of barrel. The barrel is moving back while the BB is launched forward and this produces a very powerful hopup-effect (.20s curve up to the sky after 20 meters).