Police station attacked in Islamabad

[GuzziHero]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7660578.stm

 

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Police HQ attacked in Islamabad

 

The has been a surge in suicide bombings in Pakistan in recent months

At least eight people have been wounded in a suicide bomb attack on the main police headquarters in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad, police have said.

 

Police said the attacker had managed to drive into the Police Lines complex before blowing himself up inside an office of the anti-terrorist squad.

 

One police official told the BBC that at least one person had been killed.

 

The attack comes just over two weeks after more than 50 people died in a suicide bombing at the Marriott hotel.

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What is the possibility that these attacks could have been staged by the CIA in order to bring Pakistan back round to the US Govt way of thinking? Pakistan has been breaking ranks in TWOT.

 

Im saying the chances are high to extremely high. The US Govt has done far far worse in the past to influence another nation's government.

[askeytheman]

*Waits for thread to be flagged by the CIA*

 

*also doesn't expect guzzi to be on arnies for a while after the men in black suits come*

 

CIA can do anything to be honest.. I think that if it was, no-one is going to know. I watched Prison Break, i know what i'm talking about..

[Chimpy]

 

I love you Guzzi but you honestly don't live on the same planet as the rest of us.

 

If you hadn't noticed in the five years Pakistan has had a major problem with homegrown terrorism. So is it possible the CIA staged it? Yes. Is it probable that the CIA staged it? No. Is it way more likely this is the continuation of the campaign by domestic groups? Yes.

 

Why would the CIA need to stage two attacks when there are plenty of people in Pakistan who would do it anyway?

[Monkey703]

Or maybe the CIA are funding the terrorists through untraceable contacts?

 

This is not my revolutionary streak coming out, just humour!

 

Hold on....

 

Men in black suits have just pulled up outside my house...this could be my last ever post!

[GuzziHero]

 

I love you Guzzi but you honestly don't live on the same planet as the rest of us.

 

If you hadn't noticed in the five years Pakistan has had a major problem with homegrown terrorism. So is it possible the CIA staged it? Yes. Is it probable that the CIA staged it? No. Is it way more likely this is the continuation of the campaign by domestic groups? Yes.

 

Why would the CIA need to stage two attacks when there are plenty of people in Pakistan who would do it anyway?

 

Love me? Impossible! Noone likes me

 

I dunno...would you have said the CIA was involved with the terrorism in Nicaragua in the 80s before the Iran Contra became public? I would personally reckon 80%+ of domestic terrorism globally had CIA involvement. What we DO know about that terrorist organisations actions points us well in the right direction.

 

Surely TWOT should remind you that the US Govt really does think they are world masters and the rest of us better tow the party line or else. Every year, new reports and incidents bring their reputation closer and closer to fantasy style world domination supervillains. I wouldnt be surprised if the Bush Monkey turned up to his next press conference dressed as Doc Octopus.

 

Maybe I am wrong on this occasion. But my job is to at least make people consider. We have been blind to such things before, right?

[Chimpy]

I would personally reckon 80%+ of domestic terrorism globally had CIA involvement. What we DO know about that terrorist organisations actions points us well in the right direction.

 

Like what? 80%+ is a big number where is the evidence?

 

Maybe I am wrong on this occasion. But my job is to at least make people consider. We have been blind to such things before, right?

 

You are peddling conspiracy theories with absolutely no evidence. That isn't making people consider it's not even demonstrable of critical thinking yourself! If anything it probably puts people off.

[GuzziHero]

I said 'I reckon'. No proof, its just a personal assumption

 

And I think the CIA's past despicable operations speak for themselves as evidence. As Ive said before, the CIA is the worlds largest and well-funded terrorist organisation. It is thanks to them that the US is the only nation ever convicted for terrorism (though of course the judgement was ignored).

 

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I certainly wouldnt put this past the CIA. Its just their kind of style:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7660835.stm

 

The other question is, why would islamic fundies attack Pakistanis and provoke them when the government has made it clear that they are not happy with US tactics to crack down on such people? Seems to me an ideal set-up for various US groups to try and get Pakistan to turn on the heat against such insurgents.

[Chimpy]

The other question is, why would islamic fundies attack Pakistanis and provoke them when the government has made it clear that they are not happy with US tactics to crack down on such people? Seems to me an ideal set-up for various US groups to try and get Pakistan to turn on the heat against such insurgents.

 

If you've been following news about Pakistan at all in the last decade you'll notice they have no problem with cracking down on breakaway areas or domestic insurgents. Next you'll be blaming the assassination of Benazir Bhutto on the CIA!

 

With regards the US cross-border raids the main issue the Pakistan Government has is the violation of their sovereignty rather than the substance of the raids themselves and keeping the autonomous border regions happy. The Pakistan Government itself has been happily cracking down on Islamic fundies where it can for months now.

 

Your conjecture makes no sense if you have even the most general understanding of whats going on in the region!

[GuzziHero]

But conjecture and suspicion is all it is I have no proof...Im just saying that these acts are what the CIA is capable of, and willing to perform

[Chimpy]

But conjecture and suspicion is all it is I have no proof...Im just saying that these acts are what the CIA is capable of, and willing to perform

 

You may as well blame every pigeon fart on the CIA then.

[GuzziHero]

Actually, Im sure I saw two men in black suits talking into radios this morning just as a pigeon pooped on my car...

[Sergeant Donut]

The CIA is more than capable of conducting an operation like this, and they have, in the past, funded guerilla groups in various countries. Whether they did or not? It's likely that we'll never know.

[Jagdraben]

As we all know, only a competent organization could pull off attacks like these. Which means, of course, that the CIA couldn't have been within a thousand miles of it.

 

Fifty years ago, I could see the CIA doing something like this. But today? Nope. The blood of the OSS has been too diluted at this point.

[Chimpy]

They'd also have to be incompetent to do it in the first place. There simply isn't anything to gain from a US perspective in these attacks.

 

This thread is officially made of *facepalm*.

[crackisbad]

..... the men in black.....

.....Men in black......

.....two men in black.....

wtf? what does the MIB have to do with the CIA and pakistan and terrorrists? they are obviously WAY to busy saving the planet from alien invasion to piddle around with ###### like that

 

 

 

 

had to be done

[GuzziHero]

Illegal aliens...

[Chimpy]

Bad-dum-tssch.

 

Guzzi will be here all week, please try the veal.

[ruvon]

He does have a point though. I hate to point out the obvious, but by bombing police stations in Pakistan, it justifies us doing our super secret squirrel border hoping missions into P-Stan from A-Stan.

Also gives legitimacy to the troop ramp up that's coming for A-Stan in the upcoming 2 years.

Love watching whats going on there now, as my wife is in MP training, and it's nice to plan our lives around who thinks which part of the sand box should be policed next!

 

With the financial crises at home, the "we will tell everyone to be personaly responsible, but have no responsibilities and no consequences for our own actions" of our current leader, drug use at an all time high, dollar hitting the skids, election process in shambles, we don't need a leader in the States, we need a bit of a rethink on our current

situation and our current standings in the world in general, before we go causing another brawl anywhere.

 

You know, all I keep thinking about is the movie about the tribes by the A-Stan border, where kids make guns like they were playing with play dough. Those people, really really don't have any care for American power. This is the only life they've ever known, and it'll be the only life they ever will know. They don't care if the the ACU they see is trying to give them radio's and candy bars, or has a family at home, all they know is that those folks in ACU shouldn't be standing where they are standing, and heck, it's an insult to their tribe, and their way of life.

 

We really need to stop messing around if the OP in this thread is somehow correct. American Govt hasn't really listened to a countries people(even the american people) and what they want for there country since what, 1954?

 

Nobody ever really came out to the Vietnamese people "Hey, you want to be like Americans? Democracy, or do you want to be communist?" Turned out to be our worse nightmare. Those that do not learn from history, are destined to repeat it.

 

 

[Chimpy]

He does have a point though. I hate to point out the obvious, but by bombing police stations in Pakistan, it justifies us doing our super secret squirrel border hoping missions into P-Stan from A-Stan.

 

How? There has been a problem with terrorist attacks in Pakistan for a decade now this is nothing new. Also it is highly likely that the Taliban guys operating in Afghanistan from bases in Pakistan had absolutely nothing to do with attacks in Pakistan itself. In the article it references the Taleban by which they mean Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan.

 

Also gives legitimacy to the troop ramp up that's coming for A-Stan in the upcoming 2 years.

 

Again how? There is no need to legitimise it further almost all the commanders on the ground are crying out for more troops to deal with the issues in Afghanistan itself!

 

This theory has no legs, is only supported by basic supposition that 'a bomb went off here, here and here' and it must be something to do with the CIA. There is no nuanced analysis about other actors and why they may have planted a bomb and what their goals may have been. It ignores the huge number of terrorist attacks in Pakistan over the past decade (there has been about one attack a week for the last five years) and the large number of disparate terrorist groups operating in Pakistan. It also ignores that a group has claimed responsibility for the Marriott bombing and that given the location of the bombing on the 6th and the likely target they are unlikely to have been involved in that.

 

When you look at the actual incidents its pretty easy to see this whole theory is complete idiocy with absolutely no basis in fact!

 

 

If you really want to ratchet up your lunacy give this article a read:

http://www.daily.pk/politics/politicalnews...an-are-cia.html

 

Which cites the 9/11 conspira-loonies at:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/

[GuzziHero]

What exactly was their legitimacy in sponsoring the murders of people in Cuba, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Egypt, Kuwait, Cambodia, Laos, Timor...? (Plus many I have forgotten to list).

 

Im not saying its definite...but possible. The US Govt and CIA just like to kill for the hell of it

[Chimpy]

What exactly was their legitimacy in sponsoring the murders of people in Cuba, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Egypt, Kuwait, Cambodia, Laos, Timor...? (Plus many I have forgotten to list).

 

Im not saying its definite...but possible. The US Govt and CIA just like to kill for the hell of it

 

*facepalm*

 

You are now conflating a load of different things together.

 

Do you think we could remain on topic? That the CIA have or have not done various different things in the past does not have any bearing on whether they did or did not have anything to do with the recent bombings. It's a stupid straw man argument.

 

Other than silly remarks and throw away comments do you have anything substantive that would suggest CIA involvement?

I said 'I reckon'. No proof, its just a personal assumption

 

Oh right so that's a no then.

[GuzziHero]

You do, of course, realise that my argument/side of the debate actually ran out of steam at or about post #5 and I've just been messing about and winding you up since then with cascading assumptions and unprovable accusations...right?

 

I am the person who was basically told to go **** myself by 'socialist' people around me because I wouldnt stop questioning and counter-arguing everything they said...

[Skarclaw]

cia invented coca cola with cocaine in it so people would be like, addicted to capitalism, and then they would go on to direct movies which encouraged poeple to consume, cause of the corporations.

[GuzziHero]

Of course, the CIA invented capitalism too, so it would compete with communism/monarchism and drive up profit margins so they could make money to spend on their not-yet-invented drug wars

 

[Mike_West]

What's terrifyingly real is the fact that both Paki military and inteligence (ISI) don't give half a ###### about local fundies, because a crackdown would lead to mass desertions (1 in 4 soldiers is a Pashtun, and Pashtuns make up most of the Talibans). If they dare touch them, they're risking a coup.