jond36 Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 What is better? Anybody have opinions? Pros vs. Cons on any? I have only owned a Echo 1 MP5 and M4a1 and have shot a A&K M4 S-System. Link to post Share on other sites
Gigueand Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 It really depends on what you're looking for. A&K is the only manufacturer to produce a low cost LR-300. Dboys probably produces the best AKs of the companies mentioned. JG is the only one to produce the G36 series. A&K is probably the lowest end of the bunch in terms of internal quality. The M249 and the LR300 seem to be decent guns, but both have some teething problems that need to be fixed before they can be the "best they can be." The JG G36C is regarded by many as being "made of win." As a result, it is often recommend to beginners over many other rifles. Link to post Share on other sites
Cliffor Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Do you know what needs to be sorted out in an A&k lr 300 Gigueand? Because I was thinking about buying one Back on topic, I think JG/ E1 would probably be your best bet, they're the best out of those three companies that I've seen and heard of. Which isn't to say the others are bad, but I have heard they can be a little lacking Link to post Share on other sites
Ferrarilove1 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I've use and Echo 1 G36C and it is full of win . Like Gigueand said, it depends on what you want, but overall I'd go with Echo 1. Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 #1 DBoys/Kalash/Boyi - of those 3 best quality internally and externally (steel bodies, JG just started to make metal bodies that should explain a lot of their know how...) #2 Jing Gong - many models, quality externally and internally so so, could be better, they get a win because big variety of models and they shoot very hard from get go (which makes them to break very easy also) i have never heard so many models breaking with other manufacturers, what ive heard its like every other JG is a lemon...real QC #3 A&K externally big + but internally problems for Echo1 which is just a rebrander and i know personally Echo1 guy here in China, new carton boxes basicly sometimes tune some parts to show for, but basicly is if you buy Echo1 = Jg/Cyma/DBoys is same no difference other than carton box or some fake markings, save some money and go for the source Link to post Share on other sites
bal541 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 where's galaxy in all this? Link to post Share on other sites
nodaisho Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Frontiers, I had heard that the LR300 from A&K was good, asides from the terrible hop-up. Of course, I don't consider that too much of a downside, it would be nice if I didn't need a new chamber, but it isn't hugely expensive, and I'm going to be upgrading the bucking and nub anyway. The reviewer later said that the cylinder compression could use work, but I think that was a wear thing, as he hadn't mentioned any issues in the review. As it was reviewed, it seemed like it was quite consistent, and accurate for a 11" barrel. Also had all shots within 3 FPS, which is pretty good for a clone. What internal issues are you thinking of? Link to post Share on other sites
Adiventure Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 #2 Jing Gong - many models, quality externally and internally so so, could be better, they get a win because big variety of models and they shoot very hard from get go (which makes them to break very easy also) i have never heard so many models breaking with other manufacturers, what ive heard its like every other JG is a lemon...real QC for Echo1 which is just a rebrander and i know personally Echo1 guy here in China, new carton boxes basicly sometimes tune some parts to show for, but basicly is if you buy Echo1 = Jg/Cyma/DBoys is same no difference other than carton box or some fake markings, save some money and go for the source I'm not going to comment on Dboys or A&K, but I would say that is a bit unfair towards E1 and JG. JG does not have perfect QC, but it is nothing like "every other one being a lemon". Yes they will break faster due to the higher spring, but you try the same thing in a TM and it's not going to do all that much better. As for E1, my understanding is that they either do their own QC, or buy with from the factory more stringent standards. They also either do some internal work themselves, or buy new versions that the factory (or original company) has yet to market, for instance the E1 G36C started coming with metal spring guides and bushings before JG, and if I remember actually had a weaker spring. Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I'm not going to comment on Dboys or A&K, but I would say that is a bit unfair towards E1 and JG. JG does not have perfect QC, but it is nothing like "every other one being a lemon". Yes they will break faster due to the higher spring, but you try the same thing in a TM and it's not going to do all that much better. As for E1, my understanding is that they either do their own QC, or buy with from the factory more stringent standards. They also either do some internal work themselves, or buy new versions that the factory (or original company) has yet to market, for instance the E1 G36C started coming with metal spring guides and bushings before JG, and if I remember actually had a weaker spring.i KNOW Echo1 QC ive been with him inside the factory many times at the same time when he has been checking things trust me, you dont lose much if you buy straight JG, and i know many retailers and they all complain about JG has many lemons where i base my idea that its not so good quality. Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 where's galaxy in all this? Galaxy is very small factory and havent made anything new for ages, so i think is not so fair to add them to here Frontiers, I had heard that the LR300 from A&K was good, asides from the terrible hop-up. Of course, I don't consider that too much of a downside, it would be nice if I didn't need a new chamber, but it isn't hugely expensive, and I'm going to be upgrading the bucking and nub anyway. The reviewer later said that the cylinder compression could use work, but I think that was a wear thing, as he hadn't mentioned any issues in the review. As it was reviewed, it seemed like it was quite consistent, and accurate for a 11" barrel. Also had all shots within 3 FPS, which is pretty good for a clone. What internal issues are you thinking of? yeah, ive heard many good things about LR300 series but that has also some issues, its more like any A&K is not for any newbies, need to know what you are doing or else you will have problems Link to post Share on other sites
headblockx888 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 i'd go for the a&k especially the lr300. the body is much nicer built than a jg or dboys, it has a tougher gearbox, receivers aren't pot metal unlike jg and dboys. it shoots 430 fps ootb. just replace its stock piston head with a jg piston head to eliminate airleaks in the cylinder. i did this and it now shoots 475 fps all stock. nozzle doesn't have airleaks. replace the hopup chamber with jg hopchamber because accuracy sucks. about the gear noise, just replace bevel gear with CA or jg and lubricate Link to post Share on other sites
evansy Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 I'd rate them in this order JG, Dboys, A&K. I dont rate Echo1 because they are all three of those brands just re badged for to rip off the American market. JG: 80-85% of the way to being TM quality. They still have some faults but usually its stuff that can be fixed at minimal cost. Dboys: Their AKs are pretty much bomb proof, Their M4s I wouldnt touch. A little internal tinkering will be needed. A&K: Nice externals, strong motors to crank pretty much any spring but need a little internal work and new hop rubbers. Link to post Share on other sites
1st Commando Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Some of the JG kit blows TM out of the water for quality but it is very models dependant as with anything airsoft Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 I don't think there's much point bunching all of 1 manufacturers products together to be honest, you're much better spending your time looking for individual reviews of each weapon you're interested in. Link to post Share on other sites
Sharamik Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 I agree with CK here, there can be an enormous difference in individual models from the same company. For example the Jing Gong G36 is very good, but their Armalites are poor. Even companies as reputable as TM make some lemons (TM revolvers anyone?) Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 JG Aks are bad quality also mostly, i would steer away from those, many lemons. Link to post Share on other sites
mrtickles Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 i have owned JG g3s and 2 'full metal m4s'. i haven't had a single problem with any of them. the new m4s are great skirmishing weapons out of the box, only let down for me has been the battery. ive owned a dboys scar and m4 and the quality is nowhere near as good as JG in my opinion although the external finish is nicer Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 i have owned JG g3s and 2 'full metal m4s'. i haven't had a single problem with any of them. the new m4s are great skirmishing weapons out of the box, only let down for me has been the battery. ive owned a dboys scar and m4 and the quality is nowhere near as good as JG in my opinion although the external finish is nicer in Arnies someone reviewed the new M4A1 of JG, and it got pretty bad review , i think they are overpriced, overhyped crappers, if you think price/quality ratio and all in all, you can get much better stuff for cheaper price like Cyma or DBoys/Kalash or AGM. And talk about the Steel bodies Link to post Share on other sites
CSAirsoftJunkie Posted April 22, 2009 Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Out of these three, I rank them like 1. JG 2.DBoys 3. A&K I have had some great experiences with JG, some decent experiences with Dboys, and some pretty horrible experiences with A&K. I personally say that I think CYMA ranks above all of these. Just put a lighter spring in and they should be good for quite a while. Link to post Share on other sites
jond36 Posted April 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 I just checked RSOV and they have a JG AK Krinkov for $35 on sale. Even there MP5s are $60-$70. So Tempting! Link to post Share on other sites
jond36 Posted April 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2009 Also in comparison does the new CYMA blowbacks top all of these? Link to post Share on other sites
jond36 Posted June 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 I hate to open another thread so I am bringing this back up. I wanna rephrase the question now. Which gun is the best with new wiring and a mosfet? Ohhh, and through DBOYS in the equation as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Erik Cartman Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Do you know what needs to be sorted out in an A&k lr 300 Gigueand? Because I was thinking about buying one Back on topic, I think JG/ E1 would probably be your best bet, they're the best out of those three companies that I've seen and heard of. Which isn't to say the others are bad, but I have heard they can be a little lacking Buy 3 more 4mm x 12mm bolts for the hand guard of the A&K LR300 and you are good to go. A TBB would help but stock is adequate. It is a tad noisy out of the box but has not deteriorated. After 10k bbs, I still have no justification to open up the gear box. Link to post Share on other sites
Erik Cartman Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Out of these three, I rank them like 1. JG 2.DBoys 3. A&K I have had some great experiences with JG, some decent experiences with Dboys, and some pretty horrible experiences with A&K. I personally say that I think CYMA ranks above all of these. Just put a lighter spring in and they should be good for quite a while. My experience is quite different. I would rank 1. A&K 2. Army Armament (off topic) 3. JG and the other Chinese brands are inconsistent. The first time I opened the up the gear box of my M249 was when I found I had completely worn down the graphite brushes of the motor. There wasn't a single scratch on the rack gear of the piston. That's how robust it was. Admittedly, the mag-box is trash and I had to get a MAG small mag-box within a week. Link to post Share on other sites
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