Rogue Trooper Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Sorry mate, only have the TM bucking at present so dont know Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Gerkahn, Never had the Firefly soft version, but I micrometered a brand new hard bucking for you: Length: 16.16 mm Width: 10.26 mm * * * Yesterday, I replaced the outer barrel cap with the non-recessed PDI part: http://www.x-fire.org/vsr10/e.g_bullcap.html Bad news: the PDI is shorter than the TM cap, so the inner barrel muzzle is unsupported. I added an extra PDI G-spec barrel spacer to fix the problem. Good news: the shorter PDI cap creates, a built-in "micro-silencer". Link to post Share on other sites
Gerkahn Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 cheers trasher i will check the specs later, almost sounds good that the pdi one doesnt hold the inner barrel the fact that all that sound is reduced by channeling alot of it back inside the bull barrel, the arctic warfare covert comes to mind and could be a great solution to suppression without a large silencer ontop of its impressive length Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Maybe if you were to cut out sections of the g-spec barrel spacer, to make a kinda "skeleton" spacer to give the air more room to dissipate into the outer barrel it'd make it quieter? Just a thought. Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Trooper Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 That is qute an interesting developement Trasher. The short PDI cap causing a silencer affect will make the gun live upto its real steel desegnation! For anyone that didnt know the S of AWS stands for Suppressed, see link below http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-...weapons/l96.php As your barrel spacer is probably at the end of your inner barrel and is solid and thus causing an airtight plug you only have a short space for air expansion in the barrel sleeve which will be reducing the silencing affect, Im wondering what would happen if you were to perforate the barrel spacer with some holes allowing for airflow into the rest of the barrel sleeve, the extra area created by this for air expansion into the rest of the barrel sleeve should/could cause an increase the silencing affect! An interesting developement indeed!! "Edit" Dang you guys are quick, in the time it took me to write my response scorch beat me to it with the same point, that will teach me to type like a caveman! Link to post Share on other sites
Gerkahn Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 i think its closest to the suppressed, but marui's manual says aws stands for Arctic warfare series Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 There is no dramatic sound suppression, but it's noticeable, since the stock barrel cap worked like an amplifier. For G-spec like suppression, I'd cut the inner barrel back about 7-10cm or replace it with a shorter tightbore, put foam inside, then bore out and shorten the endcap. The PDI barrel spacer provides much better support for the muzzle than any of the endcaps. Just checked 10m accuracy again to see if BBs are hitting the endcap or not... Three shot groups are less than 16mm. I guess the answer is no. Link to post Share on other sites
mugur Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Anyone found out he ID of the stock barrel ? Link to post Share on other sites
Gerkahn Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 am i right in thinking to upgrade with the pdi springs i HAVE to get their new cylinder and stuff? i jsut want the new sear and a spring really as im only aiming for 370 Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 I think the PDI VSR springs should work, but you may need to shorten them... 2nd skirmish with the L96, base defense. Trigger is still problematic. Link to post Share on other sites
mugur Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 So no one actually knows the internal barrel diameter? Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Mugur, I guess none of us have precision bore gauges at hand... But honestly, until the rifle performs well, with +50 fps higher than claimed by PDI, I don't care much about ID. Inner barrels have little effect on accuracy. Gerkahn, Thanks for the UK sniper tape tip, I wrapped the stock and scope yesterday. It's definitely better than the self-adhesive only Camoform tape. L96 news: My makeshift spacer for spring guide stopper and the front screw base (on the outer barrel) worked itself loose. I'm gonna loctite the front base shut. (Please note, installing of barrel spacers is easier, if you can remove front base.) Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Trooper Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Anyone found out he ID of the stock barrel ? Sorry for the late response mugur! The inner barrel is a 6.08mm Trasher, i sent you the SCS today but i dont know when you will get it. The postal workers are going on strike a lot at the moment so it could take a while. Keep up the good work with yopur experiments mate! Al Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Trasher, i sent you the SCS today but i dont know when you will get it. Thanks! I'm sure it will be here soon. My ebay order from UK arrived with only a couple days of delay. Link to post Share on other sites
mugur Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 thank you trasher, rogue trooper. so ther is an available and working SCS for us? Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 What we are talking about: http://shredderscs.proboards.com/index.cgi...y&thread=33 I don't expect anything radical, but I'll give it a try. Link to post Share on other sites
Gerkahn Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 i thought a flat hop nub was supposed to be used with a firefly? some say flat as it maintains the shape of the fireflys fangs, some say a scs/ big out h etc improves a firefly, yet it pushes the fangs out at a different angle. Even shredder says not to use it with fireflys, ive ordered my firefly hard regardless, im willing to try the scs with the standard marui bucking and compare results with both, maybe that could be our group project, would be nice to see if there is a notable difference either way. ive got access to 40m of windless shooting, so i can get results with the firefly (if i ever install it properly) and the normal rubber plus scs and one with the firefly and scs Link to post Share on other sites
mugur Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 What we are talking about: http://shredderscs.proboards.com/index.cgi...y&thread=33 I don't expect anything radical, but I'll give it a try. No, i know shredder,i have talked to him some days ago, he was not sure that his scs will work on tm l96, that is why i asked... Link to post Share on other sites
Gerkahn Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 well the principle of the vsr style rubber with the h style hop nub worked in marui's m14 so im assuming it will in the vsr Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Trooper Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 No, i know shredder,i have talked to him some days ago, he was not sure that his scs will work on tm l96, that is why i asked... I think it should, shredder reccomends a soft rubber with the hop ridge/hump removed, this should allow the SCS's profile to grip the BB properly, i think it works with the hop ridge left in the hop rubber as well but removed gives the best results. I want to try the SCS in mine but I am away this week so we will have to leave the testing to Trasher for the moment (if the postal strike doesnt hold back my delivery to him) I cant wait to try it myself as many people seem to have excelent results using SCS. Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Well, my L96 is working pretty well with H-nub and Firefly hard VSR rubber. Removing the ridge precisely and evenly is a difficult task, so for now I'll stick to stock rubber w/ SCS nub combo. Without the ridge, I think the rifle will underhop .40s. Except for the trigger problem, the L96 performed pretty well this weekend. I had 6-7 one-shot-kills up to 60m. My VSR is still more consistent and has flatter trajectory at 550+ fps. I'm thinking about a 6.00 or 5.98 edgi(?) tightbore for extra fps. Installing a more powerful spring is not an option until the trigger sear and setpin is zinc-alloy. Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Laylax ad: Marui L96 piston L96 Marui spring guide Marui L96 cylinder L96 Marui Spring Cheek pads Marui L96 Marui L96 trigger ? Marui L96 cylinder head Marui Mount Base L96 Outer Barrel For Marui L96 Inner Barrel For Marui L96 Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Trooper Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Well spotted Trasher! Thats good news but.... No trigger sears, spring guide stopper etc etc, i wonder if they plan on doing any?? Link to post Share on other sites
Gerkahn Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 firefly hard bucking arrived today, still cant get it installed properly, its jsut too damn big for the chamber, hats off to you trasher for managing to get it in, im either lacking technique, or this thing just hates me Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Nineball was even worse! Tried many times until I managed to install the Firefly, about 80-90% correctly (with heavy lubing and swearing). A small portion of bucking was still protruding from the chamber. I hoped that the outer shell of hopup unit will push it in place when I screw the two halves together, and it worked. I recommend careful sanding of the bucking. Link to post Share on other sites
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