Wingman Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Just bought my first KWC/Cyber Gun "Colt Rail Gun" and while I've plenty of experience with taking apart TM, KJW, ASG and WE 1911's, these KWC's have me completely baffled. It appears that the ambi-safety halves are glued together (which at least keeps the right side lever from wobbling around-something that annoys me on all those other brands) and all the frame pins are actually fake. I've not been able to find anything on the web (youtube) that shows anything more than the removal of the slide (obviously no big secret). Any help would be appreciated. Also, is it really necessary to use the recoil spring that is wrapped around the barrel or can I remove it and swap out the normal recoil spring with a stronger one? Overall the pistol appears to be pretty good and functions fine. It is a fairly good representation of the 1911 (with the exception of the above mentioned issues and some others with the look of the slide where the thumb safety is and grip screws). Certainly the price is right and all 4 models do look quite sharp. Looking forward to getting some quality shooting time in with it. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Same experience here. Why do you want to take it apart though? I took apart one of my original old style KWC 1911s and they are pretty fragile, I don't recall exactly what or how but some stuff broke while I was tinkering with it. From like, nothing I think you can remove the barrel spring if you want and upgrade the recoil spring. I tapped the grip screw holes and put in real 1911 screws in my stainless one. Had to space the screws with small o-rings though. Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 You need the barrel spring as it pushes the outer into place during cycling, without it you will experience the outer barrel getting stuck under the lugs from time to time. Link to post Share on other sites
Guges Mk3 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 There are subframe screws...find them and you can take it apart...but this IS a KWC...do not expect any level of quality considering Cybergun drove the factory to make it cheap too. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 What? Subframe screws? The hammer chassi is prevented from being removed by the glued together ambi safety? Link to post Share on other sites
Guges Mk3 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Take your grips off...look in the hole from the left side. There should be some screws holding the subframe together... This link has an image: http://www.airsoft-indiana.com/forum/index.php/topic/5247-what-parts-break-on-1911-co2s/ Link to post Share on other sites
Wingman Posted May 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Ok..thanks..just like to get and idea of how these things work. You guys seem to have had them for awhile, how are they holding up? My general "go to" 1911 is a KJW 1911a1 that I've done some simple mods to. It's all slightly surface worn and has a scratch here and there but it has never failed me. It has to be maybe 8+ years old and untold number of BB's have been shot out of it. The KWC Rail Guns just looked good and the reports appear to be pretty positive. So I'm giving it a try. Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 They are fantastic pistols. Their slide rail dimensions are similar to the RS, unlike the other Marui versions. Kick is good. It is more a project gun for me as it was a positive pressure valve, and after mods to a negative pressure valve and modding the hop up its reasonably accurate. Just that 420fps is a little high. I have removed the wraparound spring but it didn't return properly. I have also replaced the springs with a 150% marui spring. But even the smaller recoil spring has tension which is stronger than the 150% spring. So no go. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Same as above. Many people I know and played with use them for their gaming side-arm and the only bad thing I have heard is that the nozzle can break sometimes. Love the overall feel, sound and kick of these I tried removing the barrel recoil spring on mine last night just to check and it doesn't function properly without it. Link to post Share on other sites
Guges Mk3 Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 They are fantastic pistols. Their slide rail dimensions are similar to the RS, unlike the other Marui versions. Kick is good. It is more a project gun for me as it was a positive pressure valve, and after mods to a negative pressure valve and modding the hop up its reasonably accurate. Just that 420fps is a little high. I have removed the wraparound spring but it didn't return properly. I have also replaced the springs with a 150% marui spring. But even the smaller recoil spring has tension which is stronger than the 150% spring. So no go. 420fps? They are not set that high. You are not talking about the .12g fps are you? Link to post Share on other sites
Wingman Posted May 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Just put a magazine through it a moment ago. Really nice kick and at 50 feet the pistol was right on with .25's. Have not had a chance to set up the rest of my outdoor range yet. Pistol certainly seems impressive. Certainly not a display or wall hanger, but a nice field piece. I bought the 2 tone (silver slide with black frame) as it just looked different from all my TM's, KJW's and the WE. If this turns out as well as you guys have said, I'm going to have to get either the Marine version or the Stainless version to add to the collection. Anyone know of a retailer selling the spare magazines in silver? Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Not seen any silver mags as of yet :| Link to post Share on other sites
Bovinedog Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Taking mine out for a game tomorrow. My first game for nearly a year. And first time with my tm recoil. Happy days! Do need more mags for this thing though. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites
DesertFoxRomel Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 Not to derail the thread, but isn't elite force's co2 gbb 1911s oem'd by KWC? I remember taking one apart to fix it, and noticed that it had that recoil spring around the barrel, and kicked like a mule on a fresh co2 cartridge. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 Yes they are. As long as your safety is not glued together it can be disassembled fairly easily. Link to post Share on other sites
CaptCalvin Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 My experience with KWC 1911s haven't been good. After about 50 rounds of shooting I was able to flip the safety to safe with the hammer down. Then I tried pulling the trigger with the safety on. It seemed to be fine but soon as I flipped the safety back off without touching the trigger or grip safety it would fire a shot. Shimmed some stuff and got the safety to work properly. After that the I found the sear to be start deforming and at some point the top of the hammer started getting caught at the bottom of the BBU. Filed the top of the hammer and bottom of BBU and got around that. Then the tabs on the nozzle that retains it to the slide got worn down. Got new nozzle and drilled a hole at the rear of it to relieve excess pressure. After which outer edges of the piston head started peeling over and getting caught inside the nozzle. At that point I gave up on it. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 FYI both the new KWC 1911 Tactical and the Cybergun KWC 1911s have improved on all those points. Link to post Share on other sites
mimesis Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 FYI both the new KWC 1911 Tactical and the Cybergun KWC 1911s have improved on all those points. Slightly OT. Is that this http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Gas_Blow_Back_Pistols_KWC_KWC_M1911_A1_TAC_CO2_Version.htm that came out around 2013/14, or is there a super-new one that came out after the 4 rail guns? Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted June 6, 2016 Report Share Posted June 6, 2016 Yup that's the KWC one I was talking about. It is improved over the standard 1911 one and the Cybergun Rail guns are even further improved a bit. Link to post Share on other sites
Xander Bolanos Posted July 4, 2016 Report Share Posted July 4, 2016 Throw them in lava Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted July 4, 2016 Report Share Posted July 4, 2016 Why? Oh, haha. You mean to take them apart Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted July 4, 2016 Report Share Posted July 4, 2016 My experience with KWC 1911s haven't been good. After about 50 rounds of shooting I was able to flip the safety to safe with the hammer down. Then I tried pulling the trigger with the safety on. It seemed to be fine but soon as I flipped the safety back off without touching the trigger or grip safety it would fire a shot. Shimmed some stuff and got the safety to work properly. After that the I found the sear to be start deforming and at some point the top of the hammer started getting caught at the bottom of the BBU. Filed the top of the hammer and bottom of BBU and got around that. Then the tabs on the nozzle that retains it to the slide got worn down. Got new nozzle and drilled a hole at the rear of it to relieve excess pressure. After which outer edges of the piston head started peeling over and getting caught inside the nozzle. At that point I gave up on it.I had that along with the barrel bushing deforming after 1 mag.My friend had his slide fly off after his barrel bushing broke. My hop up unit was non functional on the one I bought and my replacement. Not fixable in the least, super glue didn't work. My first of 1911 tac disintegrated in my hands. Hammer that's useless kept getting stuck on the BBC, wish I spent the money for a timberwolf instead. I sold.it and 4 crappy mags from the get go after I got the replacement to buy a used tw that I still have and works perfectly. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingman Posted July 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 I've put a couple hundred shots through mine, mostly in the last couple of weeks. Still shooting nicely and I've had no issues. The magazines have worked fine and the pistol certainly reaches out there. Accuracy has improved with use. Was actually contemplating another version (either the all stainless or the MEU tan version), however, with the several issues that have come up regarding this brand in this topic, I'm wondering if I should just stick to my KJW MEU (using the ASG 1911 C02 magazines also with good results). This pistol also shoots well, but not with the authority of my Rail Gun. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 If you want something you can trust and rely on over time, that is mediocre all around out of the box at a fair price, the KJW is the one to go with I will admit my first hand experience with the KWC 1911s are limited in terms of long term use and durability. Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted July 5, 2016 Report Share Posted July 5, 2016 If you want something you can trust and rely on over time, that is mediocre all around out of the box at a fair price, the KJW is the one to go with I will admit my first hand experience with the KWC 1911s are limited in terms of long term use and durability. This Link to post Share on other sites
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