crazy4beat Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Here's some pictures of KAC Stoner LMG from South Korea, which was shown in "Platoon Convention 2008" in South Korea. I am sorry but I can't find ways to post my pictures directly to this post. Here's a link. http://blog.naver.com/crazy4beat/130030092188 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Manufacturer "TAG ARTS" in South Korea will soon release "Stoner LMG". At "Platoon Convention 2008" in Seoul, South Korea, TAG ART brought their new LMG with newly-designed gearbox made by CNC process. As you see in the picture, newly-designed mechabox seems to be essential to express LMG's unique body. (You will easily find a differrence when you compare with Airsoft Surgeon's LMG, which used "Marui Compatible" gearbox.) However, most of internals are compatible with Marui compatible gearbox options. Upper & Lower receiver is easy to disassemble in a second. A designer of "TAG ART" mentioned the color of samples in the picture will be changed, and minor finishing process is left for the production. Estimated release date will be 2008. May, and contracted to be sold in Japan, and HK, etc... * The designer revealed their LMG can replace "M4" compatible stocks for customers' preferences. Link to post Share on other sites
sturgis Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 ooh goodie! Looks positivly sexilicious! looks expensive though.... Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Is the motor caged to the mechbox(plzplzplzplz)? Link to post Share on other sites
-Drake- Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Looks freaking Awesome ! Remember this being announced a while back although i wonder what the price tag will be. Link to post Share on other sites
sturgis Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Looks freaking Awesome ! Remember this being announced a while back although i wonder what the price tag will be. I think you might be mistaken with the G&P one, wich is the only Stoner LMG i know reported off, besides ye old one by CL. And the G&P one was the classic Nam era one iirc... if not, then i've completely missed it... either way, KAC/stoner LMG am good = the more the merrier edit: just spotted the 2008 convention thing, so nevermind, looks like i missed this one Link to post Share on other sites
IronWolf Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 I'm hoping the price is well within the 3 digit range (as unlikely as it seems). Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 It was announced a while back on Airsoft News Link to post Share on other sites
lin_pointer Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 looks expensive Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 No it looks well made, which would justify a large expense for someone interested. Link to post Share on other sites
Spencedaddy Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 that looks like 3 or 4 paychecks right there.....whew, so sexy though Link to post Share on other sites
Rogal Dorn Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 How am I gonna convince my partner, that I really need one of these! Build quality looks great! Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Motor is not caged - is a la Ver2. Link to post Share on other sites
Maple-Leaf Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 What version of the Stoner LMG is that based on? It looks almost nothing like any one I've seen...... P.S. Oh, nevermind - I've just been to KAC's website. Alles klar. But I'd rather see either the old version - or the Ultimax 100 LMG. Link to post Share on other sites
andrew9223 Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 that gearbox makes me happy in the pants. Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Makes me sad to know the motor is bouncing around in that handgrip. What a shame on that end Link to post Share on other sites
Hispeed1 Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Here's the real one. It's teh S3X! http://www.knightarmco.com/lmg.html Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Makes me sad to know the motor is bouncing around in that handgrip. What a shame on that end Im going to have to agree with that statement right there. I really dont understand why they chose to have a free floating motor. They designed a mechbox from the ground up, why not go with a caged motor ala PGC, Version 6, 3, etc. What a shame. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 What kind of problems would one expect from a free float motor? Curious. Link to post Share on other sites
tweaked_tim Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 I am still drooling and will be for a while now. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 What kind of problems would one expect from a free float motor? Curious. 1) Motor alignment will need more maintenance than a caged motor. 2) Motor cages act as a heatsink, allowing more effective heat-dissipation. 3) Floating motors are actually insulated by the air and then the grip. 4) In a support weapon which will be used for long bursts, this is exceptionally important. 5) Floating motors are long-shaft motors. Short shaft motors has more torque. Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 More importantly at one point in time, unless you are the most ridiculous perfectionist, the thing will come out of alignment. It is just an inferior design compared to a caged motor. And *beep* will hit the fan when that happens. In heavier weapons its even worse as the grip flexes because its the fulcrum for the twisting and tilting. I know people are going to come on here and say, will i have beaucoup v2 that do not break, and i say use them more, they all will do it eventually. Even if you have been lucky for thousands of rounds, there is no argument that supports a v2 being a choice design for any gun. And all systema has to do it make the PTW 490 motor or a derivative for AEG's that lock into place like its done on the PTW. Link to post Share on other sites
IronWolf Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 More information popped up on airsoftnews.eu: I attached a few more photos from a designer from KAC LMG. I translated a little bit of info that I missed before. Outbarrel can be ejected simply just like the real LMG, electric magazine is included in the picture. However, compatibility of MINMI magazines from CA, Top are not guaranteed, and might be needed a slight modification. (Please see details in the pictures.) You can use 9.6v stick type battery, or external battery case. Hop-up is similar with Trigger Happy's M240, a dial type adjustment. Link to gallery with latest pics here Bit peeved about the gun not accepting box mags that are already on the market without user modification, I wonder if the modification will render them useless for any other gun (m249, etc)? Seems like a bit of an oversight on the manufacturers part... Other then that the hopup adjustment seems nice, keen to see what the RRP will be like though. Link to post Share on other sites
Panzergraf Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Caged is better than un-caged, yeah, but as this use a normal AR-15 pistol grip I don't think they had much of a choice. Besides, they have fixed the biggest problem of V2 gearboxes; the weak front. This Stoner gearbox looks tough as nails near the front, lots of extra material where a normal V2 would break, and it looks CNC machined too. Link to post Share on other sites
Steyrkat Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Oh boy, another magnificent gun that I can't afford. Wish I could... Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Caged is better than un-caged, yeah, but as this use a normal AR-15 pistol grip I don't think they had much of a choice. Besides, they have fixed the biggest problem of V2 gearboxes; the weak front. This Stoner gearbox looks tough as nails near the front, lots of extra material where a normal V2 would break, and it looks CNC machined too. Have you seen how easy the motor locks in on the PTW, its 1 freaking peice...... Link to post Share on other sites
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