uscmCorps Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Yes yes I know... another AR accessory. Regardless on your stance on the plethora of AR rifles and accessories currently available, it's still interesting to see a replica of a somewhat obscure AR receiver that clearly required an entirely new mold. King Arms has produced a replica of the LaRue Tactical Billet Lower: Found here: http://www.kingarms.com/productpage.asp?prodid=1580 Based on this real steel LaRue Billet Lower It's not like LaRue Tactical doesn't hate airsofters enough as it is. I'm sure this will be the icing on the cake. Note: I'm not endorsing this product, just reporting its existence. Don't shoot the messenger. Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 That is really going to ###### off Mark........ Link to post Share on other sites
kilo_64 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 i smell a *suitcase* storm brewing Link to post Share on other sites
junior Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 That is really going to ###### off Mark........ Seriously though, why? If anything he should be flattered Airsoft companies are trying to mock his designs. It's seriously not like he's loosing any more business now that there is a imitation AEG receiver on the market. If it ###### off Mark THAT much he should think about expanding his business to include an Airsoft division to make lower quality and more affordable Airsoft accessories. Link to post Share on other sites
Abelius Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 WTF is the problem with the American anti-airsoft rednecks anyway? Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Seriously though, why? If anything he should be flattered Airsoft companies are trying to mock his designs. It's seriously not like he's loosing any more business now that there is a imitation AEG receiver on the market. If it ###### off Mark THAT much he should think about expanding his business to include an Airsoft division to make lower quality and more affordable Airsoft accessories. Besides the obvious Trademark issues, and he's had to deal with idiots sending in airsoft rails and mounts for warranty issues...... He's worked very hard to make his Brand basically it in the AR/MIL world. How would you feel if someone came up and started to make toys off your brand etc. Besides he's a Texan....enough said there. Now me...I might buy one of these just because I can finally have a training rifle that mimics my RS rifle perfectly. Yes I drink the Larue Coolaid and have a FULL Larue AR with magpul and nightforce accessories. Link to post Share on other sites
Angry Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Ooooh nice! Want! Link to post Share on other sites
pjones Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 That is really going to ###### off Mark........ I hope he sues their asses. Besides the obvious Trademark issues, and he's had to deal with idiots sending in airsoft rails and mounts for warranty issues...... He's worked very hard to make his Brand basically it in the AR/MIL world. How would you feel if someone came up and started to make toys off your brand etc. Besides he's a Texan....enough said there. Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted February 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 If anything he should be flattered Airsoft companies are trying to mock his designs. It's seriously not like he's loosing any more business now that there is a imitation AEG receiver on the market. If it ###### off Mark THAT much he should think about expanding his business to include an Airsoft division to make lower quality and more affordable Airsoft accessories. Poison pretty much hit the nail on the head. All the design copying of their products is bad enough in the real steel world (ADM comes to mind), but it's 100% worse in the airsoft market as clones are copied right down to the trademarks. That, plus LaRue Tactical is sick of dealing with people duped into buying airsoft clones (or were just too cheap) and asking for repairs on products that were never made to work on real steel. Airsofters generally have the illusion that Airsoft is important enough that everyone outside of the hobby should acknowledge it and embrace it. It's important to us... but that's as far as it goes generally. Most real steel companies focus their efforts in catering to the LEO/Mil crowd because they themselves are often ex-LEO/Military. That's their priority first and foremost. Well, that and the fact that they don't like to feel like they've been ripped off by cloners. Link to post Share on other sites
Vercingetorix Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Its be freking wonderful if LaRue would take a stand against clones by A) taking legal action and making certain items for the airsoft market, like the billet receiver, etc.... That would be so insanely awesome....... Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I can understand Mark being upset at the rails, but not so much this receiver set. Those people buying RS parts get suckered into buying "cloned" rails to put onto their gun and then try to get replacements from Larue direct. Kind of like the aimpoint issues. However this receiver won't work with RS parts so i don't really see problems with this particular product since it's not a "clone" but more of a replica "model". Now if Larue made an airsoft receiver and then this came out, I can see a reason for them to get upset. Link to post Share on other sites
Victory Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Hmm, I wonder if the (mock) BCG is MilSpec... (Inside joke of sorts.) -Vic Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Hmm, I wonder if the (mock) BCG is MilSpec... (Inside joke of sorts.) -Vic Its Texaspec....which is a million times better than Milspec!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
DyNo! Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Its Texaspec....which is a million times better than Milspec!!!!!! Well everything is bigger in Texas so it must be out of spec! Poison123, are you on Ar15.com or the SAC forums? Your user name looks familiar. I'm HK_Shooter_03. Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Well everything is bigger in Texas so it must be out of spec! Poison123, are you on Ar15.com or the SAC forums? Your user name looks familiar. I'm HK_Shooter_03. Yup thats me on both Link to post Share on other sites
The Crunchy Bunny Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Marks gonna be angry, and I see why. But I'd buy that. Link to post Share on other sites
the roob Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I don't own a real steel AR. If I did, I certainly wouldn't put any airsoft parts on it, especially a receiver, if it was even possible, it could be deadly. If I had a RS armalite, I would put RS accessories on it, but I dont. If Larue sells some airsoft company the license to use his trademarks, I'll buy those accessories. Until then, I'll buy this if I feel like it since it is made for the toy market, Im in the toy market, and I'm not really taking away from Mr Larues sales, as I wouldn't have bought anything from him anyway (not having a lead slinging AR, not looking for lead slinging accessories). like usmccorpse said above, airsofters think we are a big deal in the world market, but compared to the money that is spent on the RS gun industry (especially supply-side of the LEO industry) we're nothing considering you need to sell 5-12 AEGs to equal 1 AR rifle. We just dont have that kind of market share. Consider this... Somewhere out there is a kid who is building his dream rifle in all ACM parts, and the day he can afford it and is legal to do it, will build a real one for himself with all the name brand labels that airsoft taught him to recognize. Brand recognition is something that some companies pay huge amounts of money for and these ACM companies are handing it to the gun companies on a platter by basically advertising for them to the next generation of gun buyers. that's my two cents, I wont buy this particular piece cuz I couldnt give a sht about tactical gucci-gear (all Gov Issue for me. heh). that and the word billet scares me. Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I don't own a real steel AR. If I did, I certainly wouldn't put any airsoft parts on it, especially a receiver, if it was even possible, it could be deadly. If I had a RS armalite, I would put RS accessories on it, but I dont. If Larue sells some airsoft company the license to use his trademarks, I'll buy those accessories. Until then, I'll buy this if I feel like it since it is made for the toy market, Im in the toy market, and I'm not really taking away from Mr Larues sales, as I wouldn't have bought anything from him anyway (not having a lead slinging AR, not looking for lead slinging accessories). like usmccorpse said above, airsofters think we are a big deal in the world market, but compared to the money that is spent on the RS gun industry (especially supply-side of the LEO industry) we're nothing considering you need to sell 5-12 AEGs to equal 1 AR rifle. We just dont have that kind of market share. Consider this... Somewhere out there is a kid who is building his dream rifle in all ACM parts, and the day he can afford it and is legal to do it, will build a real one for himself with all the name brand labels that airsoft taught him to recognize. Brand recognition is something that some companies pay huge amounts of money for and these ACM companies are handing it to the gun companies on a platter by basically advertising for them to the next generation of gun buyers. that's my two cents, I wont buy this particular piece cuz I couldnt give a sht about tactical gucci-gear (all Gov Issue for me. heh). that and the word billet scares me. So ya you've go no idea what your talking about then. Its Trademark infringement! Understand it! A "no-gucci" AR normally costs around 1k. So thats what 2-5 Airsoft rifles depending on the brand. The word billet means it was carved from a SOLID block of material....thats a good thing. Link to post Share on other sites
Bulletgrunt Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 So let me get this straight, KA copied a metal body that was made by a guy named Mark, all the way down to the same trades and design? If that's the case, I would still buy from Mark, instead of some rich fat cats at the head of KA, I would just feel better about my self. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted February 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 like usmccorpse said above, airsofters think we are a big deal in the world market, but compared to the money that is spent on the RS gun industry (especially supply-side of the LEO industry) we're nothing considering you need to sell 5-12 AEGs to equal 1 AR rifle. We just dont have that kind of market share. That's not really the point I was trying to make. My statement was made as a response to many airsofters demanding the RS market start catering to airsofters on some level (be it creating a PTS division or allowing licenses). My stance is that they could care less as their market focus is on real steel users. While I think that when a RS company licenses a product (like the licenses in Madbull and Magpul PTS's possession) it can often be done right. There are also instances in which licensing goes very wrong (Cybergun and UMAREX comes to mind). Whether RS companies like it or not, if their products are popular enough, their products WILL end up getting reproduced as an airsoft replica at some point. It's something they're going to have to acknowledge. I firmly believe that when a RS company allows for licensing of their products to the airsoft market it actually gives them a certain degree of control/power over how that license is handled. So in general, it's probably in their best interests to allow for airsoft licensing, and if they don't want to go that route then have a really good IP and copyright legal team that specializes in International law. Pretty much anyone who's bought airsoft products have infringed in Copyright infringement or IP infringement at some point. Goes with the territory. At the same time I respect LaRue Tactical's stance on protecting their Trademark/CopyRight/Intellectual Property. It is theirs after all. Who are we to demand they do this or that? Consider this... Somewhere out there is a kid who is building his dream rifle in all ACM parts, and the day he can afford it and is legal to do it, will build a real one for himself with all the name brand labels that airsoft taught him to recognize. Brand recognition is something that some companies pay huge amounts of money for and these ACM companies are handing it to the gun companies on a platter by basically advertising for them to the next generation of gun buyers. Not exactly. Your statement is born from the mindset that you live in the USA. The same logic can not be applied to most other countries as they do not have the same gun laws that'll allow them the right to bare arms. It's not like the typical airsofter living in Asia and continues to live there through adulthood would have the ability to buy an AR and accessorize the heck out of it. So whatever advertising that might be garnered is lost on that front. The other problem is that while YOU might think it's ludicrous to use airsoft accessories on a real firearm, it is far from uncommon for a RS shooter to buy an airsoft accessory (be it deliberately or accidentally) and failure of that part may well ensue. With how accurate accessories are nowadays it's no surprise that a RS shooter who doesn't do their homework might be suckered into getting airsoft product X thinking it's the real thing. That's one of the many reasons why LaRue Tactical and many other RS companies despise airsoft companies. And understandably so. Link to post Share on other sites
TheKurodaVagrant Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 So let me get this straight, KA copied a metal body that was made by a guy named Mark, all the way down to the same trades and design? If that's the case, I would still buy from Mark, instead of some rich fat cats at the head of KA, I would just feel better about my self. Mark is the president of LaRue Tactical, a real steel manufacturer. KA's not copying a metal body, it's making an airsoft replica of a real lower receiver. LaRue has run into issues in the past with people getting scammed into buying airsoft replicas of their rails and mounts and demanding repairs when they malfunctioned on their real steel guns. Mark was very, very upset with that bs, so he's a bit hostile towards airsoft replica makers. Especially those who use his trademarks without his permission. Don't get me wrong, I'm a firm believer that imitation is the highest form of flattery and placing trademarks of a real brand on a replica is just showing praise for the company. It goes sour when the trademarks start leaking onto exact copies that take up a market share with the real deal. It eases issues when the replica maker sets up a rapport with the real brand. Link to post Share on other sites
Bulletgrunt Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Ah, thanks for clearing that up. Yeah, I think I would be pretty tick off if something like that was happening to me. Link to post Share on other sites
junior Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Since it seems like everyone here is friends with Mark, you should ask him about creating an Airsoft division. Magpul did it, why cant he? Don't get me wrong. I love Larue products. But for my "toys" there is no way I'm spending $150 on a mount when I can buy the same looking china knock off for $30. Back on topic (kinda): When and IF King Arms does come out with a GBB M4 I do hope they release all these new MBK's for it. Looks like G&P started and stopped. They made all the same kits that no one really buys.... Link to post Share on other sites
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