snorkelman Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 maybe have different year models, or continent etc. im sure there are always some differences , very rarely have anything just one exact model. nopes ALL of the 44s have the safety lever done like that. If it was the only way they could make it functional it would be fair enough but by looks of it both that safety and the fireselect bolt are just cast as part of the receiver so I cant see any reason why they didnt bother to get it right Link to post Share on other sites
lardassmonkey Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 If indeed that is a genuine AGM prototype I guess the AGM MP44 will more or less be a copy of the Ultima 44. If I remember correctly they use a sliding fire selector like the one pictured rather than a swiveling one like the real thing. Any idea what sort of magazines AGM intend to supply with the MP44? Please don't say Hi-caps! Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 the real one uses a swivelling safety (the bit above the pistol grip) and a thru bolt fireselect (the circular part slightly farther up) Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 If indeed that is a genuine AGM prototype I guess the AGM MP44 will more or less be a copy of the Ultima 44. If I remember correctly they use a sliding fire selector like the one pictured rather than a swiveling one like the real thing. Is the selector in Ultima located where the bit circled in blue is in the AGM MP44? Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Ultimas version looks like the AGM does (the rejiggled lower with grip angle and length altered versus the original 44) The ultima has the (relocated) safety lever double up as a sliding fireselect (safe semi and auto) while the original round push thru fire select is part of its casting. The AGM looks like both the fireselect AND the (relocated) safety are moulded into the casting . Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 *sigh* too bad. I guess people will try to mod it. Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Is it really that big of a deal? It's the first mass-produced MP44 AEG! Link to post Share on other sites
apmaman Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 +1 Its not perfect but its progress at least. Link to post Share on other sites
Fighting Maus Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 I agree with the previous 2 posters. We can't even get parts kits or even dewats of MP44s anymore. So anything closely resembling the real deal is good enough for me. I will buy at least one for sure, but I'm really stoked about the MG-42. Hopefully it isn't vaporware. Link to post Share on other sites
thesmellypocket Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 its prolly that shape due the the gear box...right? Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Yes. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Is it really that big of a deal? It's the first mass-produced MP44 AEG! and? folks regularly *suitcase* a bucket when an AR or AK has had minor details wrong, hell folks even complained when the Star L85A2 shipped with mags that had RG base markings Given the fact a its quite likely to be the only mass produced 44 and b the part has zero functionality and is just part of their receiver casting then all the more reason they could have got it right Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I don't mind minor details on an AK or M4, I'd rather just see this hit market. Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted December 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 here is the picture for MP5K GAS by WELL Link to post Share on other sites
Rigiddigit Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 The MP44 is still a prototype right? There is time to correct any detail errors if they are pointed out and explained to the makers? If they care? Sometimes these things get sorted anyway once the developement shifts from prototype to production. Fingers crossed it gets made at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Too bad it's technically impossible to do the grip right. As for the selector, if it works in G36 and MP5, I don't see any problem with StG44. It's less hassle than trying to do a F2000 selector right! Link to post Share on other sites
Frontiers Posted December 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 The MP44 is still a prototype right? There is time to correct any detail errors if they are pointed out and explained to the makers? If they care? Sometimes these things get sorted anyway once the developement shifts from prototype to production. Fingers crossed it gets made at all. its pretty far already, i dont think there will be any changes for moulds, you know Moulding a single gun can be very expensive, easily 5000e - to 10 000e for their moulds if you make it from scratch and cannot use any other model parts to make it, its not cheap business to do. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Oh well. We still have dremels. *shrug* Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 What do you mean the ACR looks more like a SCAR? They look nearly identical besides the location of the charging handle. You could always put any one of the stocks or handguards on either model. I am suspecting you may have been under the impression the RAS handguards or the UBR style stock was unique to the ACR. He is very right. The ACR has a railed hand guard(which Thartwig was probably thinking of), the medium/carbine hand guard( like the one shown on the A&K Masada, and my favorite one), and a long one. Then their the 3 different stocks, the folding/collapsable stock( the one shown on the A&K Masada, and the most scar looking one), and UBR looking stock, and the PRS stock. plus another reason i dont thinks its for Magpul PTS is because they said they would use Systema internals for their ACR( and probably all their AEGs but i cant remember for sure). Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 i wonder if the ACR/masada long handguard will be available. the ACR/Masada in DMR configuration (long barrel and handguard with a PRS stock) looks epic. Link to post Share on other sites
Guinness Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 maybe have different year models, or continent etc. im sure there are always some differences , very rarely have anything just one exact model. Just to clear that up, the AGM is based on the Stg44. In vanderer's pictures, the top (AGM) is a Stg44, the bottom picture is of a MP43 http://world.guns.ru/assault/as51-e.htm But as everyone has said, who cares, MP43, Stg44, Mkb42, its all the same......make it! Link to post Share on other sites
lrich Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 It looks like you are right guiness. And just wondering, why do i hear that it would be impossible to get the grip angle right? I found actually that a version 6 matches the angle very closely, but even using a v3, you could simply make a different motor mount. However, is there something i am missing? As for any inaccuracies, as long as it looks very close to the real one, i can fix those problems, and it will be a lot easier than trying to make a whole new one. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 photo of the 44 with krumlauf on guns.ru is reversed. Thats the right hand side with ejector port and full length pistol grip thats being shown not the left hand side with the cutback grip, safety lever and cocking handle image on there should be this way round If either of the two could be claimed to be a 43 its the AGM thanks to the single ridge on the rear sight mount mid production MP43/1 with single ridge (early ones had a split ridge, later ones and 44s had no ridge) All of them 43, 44 MP/StG had identical position for the safety lever and all of them had the cutaway left hand pistol grip (only real differences externally between them are muzzle nuts, barrel profiles and length/size of the stocks most of those affecting 43's) Link to post Share on other sites
zippenpipper Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I cannot see any of the pictures that vanderer posted, what is going on? Link to post Share on other sites
Guinness Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I cannot see any of the pictures that vanderer posted, what is going on? It means they have found all the other pr0n on your pc and they are about 30 seconds from busting your door down! ...run!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.