-=OGGY=- Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 OK, I am trying to guage how possible a gbb m14 would be to make. Right now I really don't have much, but I would want something somewhat similar to a WA/G&P/Ino system, but for an m14. By that I don't mean I want to retro fit that system into a m14, but I want to design a system similar to the realistic operation of a m14. At this point I really am not going to set a budget, and I do have RS m14 parts availible to me. I know *somewhat* how a real m14 works. What I would like to know is maybe a internal diagram/MS paint drawing of the WA/G&P/Ino system so I could get an idea of how exactly that works. As I said, I really don't have much right now, but hopefully what I get from this thread will help me design a working system. Thanks, oggy Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyj Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 there is already a GBB m1 garand ( the grandad of the m14 ) you could look at getting hold of a broken down 1 as a base Link to post Share on other sites
Gooberz Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I belevieve Hudson made a gas M14, but they were insanely expensive, in the family of ~$2000+ Link to post Share on other sites
-=OGGY=- Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 didn't think of the garand....I may look into that. lol everyone seems to be converting M14's to garands and I may do just the opposite . Anyway, it is still just an idea. Link to post Share on other sites
The Thief Lord Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Ive seen it done before, hold on let me pull some info up and edit it in. EDIT: Here's his M14 EBR: check out his other stuff, it's REALLY interesting, especially his GBB gas-in-mag shell ejecting sr25. the man is an amazing engineer. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Too bad the action seems a bit short. I'm guessing he copied the blow back mechanism off of pistols. Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Didn't UNCo have a GIM GBB m14 for a while? I know ther eis a very long thread about making a GBB m14 on CA.net and both GIM and external power were discussed. Link to post Share on other sites
pforcerecon Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Ive seen it done before, hold on let me pull some info up and edit it in. EDIT: Here's his M14 EBR: check out his other stuff, it's REALLY interesting, especially his GBB gas-in-mag shell ejecting sr25. the man is an amazing engineer. I've seen that vid before, and the SR-25 one as well. Is that guy on here or does he do special projects?? Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I don't think that guy made his regular m14 (one of his other videos) I think this is what he has... and what you want. He may have just duplicated the mechanism. http://www.uncompany.com/pageproductdetails.asp?prodid=4493 Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 i dont know, but he needs some hand lotion... Link to post Share on other sites
pforcerecon Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 ...thanks Frogfish, just too bad there aren't anymore available. But who knows, maybe someone or some company will come out with more if the demand is high enough. Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Crossed fingers. But I'm more concerned with a GBB g36, which is coming... unfortunately it's GIM, means I have to buy new mags.... Demand is there for a GBB M14, it just takes someone to realize it. I'm sure with some work somone on Yahoo.jp could track down one of the GBB m14s and ship it off to someone like daytonagun to be reverse engineered and copied for the masses. Link to post Share on other sites
pforcerecon Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 That does sound like a plan. And hopefully since it is GIM, hopefullyl whoever is making it will have a decent price like with the WE M4 mags. A lot better price wise than the WA. Which AEX is having a sale, regular 126 i think per mag..only 85! Which is still ridiculous in my opinion considering their WE mags are about $45 or so per mag. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I'm a little surprised a GBB M14 hasn't hit production. That custom HK based one is very cool but definitely not mainstream. Hudson's... well... I have no idea if that ever came into production, plus it was (or at least supposed to be) external and gas in mag. Magazine gas propelled the BB and external powered blowback. If you are looking at piggybacking off of an existing design, it's not inconceivable, but it'll take a lot of R&D work. And by the time you're done and have spent thousands of dollars, a production model will be rolling out. An escort retrofit would be the most reasonable, but you won't get a full open bolt look, or gas in mag. Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I think you could get full open bolt with an escort system. It would be better than having full open bolt with GIM due to gas efficiency to move a bolt as large and heavy as an M14s would be. I don't think hudson's ever came out, but I know UNCo's did. Link to post Share on other sites
The Thief Lord Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 i dunno about the guy i posted earlier... heres his M14 (not an EBR) in GBB with shell ejection: seems pretty custom to me.. Link to post Share on other sites
Chris North Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I think you could get full open bolt with an escort system. It would be better than having full open bolt with GIM due to gas efficiency to move a bolt as large and heavy as an M14s would be. I don't think hudson's ever came out, but I know UNCo's did. I think he meant because of the fixed cylinder Escort systems have, which would just mean you couldn't look down through the ejection area and see the magazine. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Yeah, with the escort system the "bolt" is just a shroud, it doesn't function as a bolt like the WA system. Of course the design has it's advantages, but I'm just going by what the OP requested. And the bolt doesn't have to be heavy. A CNC aluminum bolt carrier for the WA system weighs in at about 80g and still has room to lighten it up even more. CNC'd aluminum would be much cheaper than a casting if you're talking about a one off. Magnesium would lighten it up even more. There are a lot of options when speaking in the hypothetical. I would still vote for a retrofit of the Escort system into a real Sage or Troy or even JAE stock. You can get daytonagun to put a massive, heavy weight and custom make the cylinder to use a ton of gas (most of it going to blowback). Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OK I see what you mean by open bolt, no it wouldn't be like the WAs. Comparatively the M4 bolts are much smaller than an M14 bolt is, and would be heavier because of it. That's why I say gas efficiency might be an issue, but M14 mags are also large so you might be able to get a larger reservoir to counter that. Yes the shell ejecting systems are totally custom. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 It's wider, but from what I've just looked at and what I remember, the M4 bolt carrier is longer. And you'd need most of that M14 bolt carrier to be hollow for the blowback chamber. My M4 has no problem with a full mag dump using a standard WOC bolt carrier (which weighs almost double what a CNC'd aluminum one does). I think weight of the bolt is the least of the problems one would encounter here. Assembling the gas magazine is a much bigger challenge, probably not as big as aligning everything up with some sort of firing mechanism and loading mechanism. But yeah, you gotta either go external gas or some sort of custom GIM system to take raw CO2 to get a big smile from a GBB M14. Even then, external will function better in auto. The entire gun is much too heavy to get a decent kick with green gas/propane. And then you can do simple things to increase recoil, like instead of buffers at the end of the bolt travel, you can just design the system so slam hard in the rear; metal on metal. Like if you take an M4 buffer and make it completely out of steel or aluminum, it will recoil much harder than it does with that rubber buffer at the end. Link to post Share on other sites
-=OGGY=- Posted May 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 OK well I guess it's about time for me to respond to this thread, so.... There have been a lot of great ideas here, but the only way to make a M14 that functions similarly to the RS (like a WAM4) would be to completely engineer the thing myself. That is why I have chosen to just make a custom WAM4 out of parts; it already has the super realistic function and take down, there is a huge support base for it (GGI), and half of the stuff that has been made for in the one year since it's release are better than everything made during the lifespan of AEG's (CNC everything). So if you would like to keep investigating the idea, by all means, use this thread; but I will not be doing the project simply because it will take to long, and I doubt the finished product will be worth the effort (I have a drill press, a hammer and some sandpaper...I doubt I am going to make anything nice.) Anyway, Thanks again for you advice, OGGY Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Yeah, you'll need at least 2 hammers to make a good M14. Link to post Share on other sites
-=OGGY=- Posted May 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 really? thats it? PROJECT BACK ON!! I'm off to the hardware store!! Link to post Share on other sites
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