Trasher Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I've acquired a CA M24 and a JG BAR stock for my newest project: converting the M24 stock to VSR. My initial plan is to hack up the BAR stock and transplant the magwell/mag catch area into the CA stock, then plug and relocate the screw holes, modify trigger guard, etc.... First impressions, findings: - The CA M24 stock is extremely solid and very high quality compared to the VSR (and a Rolls Royce compared to my POS Fortress M40A3 stock, see my review). OK, there is considerable play in the adjustable length of pull mech, but that's easy to fix. - After the removal of the CA trigger guard unit, the VSR receiver drops right in, with almost perfect fit! The screw hole at the end of receiver is in 100% alignment with the stock! - Ejection port is in OK alignment with receiver. - Middle screw hole must be relocated. - The magazine well area must be enlarged, completely modified. - The inner curve of the forearm must be modified to accomodate PDI VSR light bull barrel. Feel free to post your tips and ideas... Some pics: Link to post Share on other sites
Kristoffer Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 You wouldn't happen to have a tapered VSR barrel? Just to check how it would fit in the stock? Good news about the receiver fitting so well, on my SP M40 stock, fitting the receiver and getting it to line up properly was a nightmare. Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Yes, I also have the tapered Pro-Sniper barrel. I'll check the fit once the epoxy has dried around the new middle screw hole. It was moved 8-9mm to the back. Link to post Share on other sites
TOMMY GUN Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 This is hilarious. I was going to do this too. What do you think would work better a tanaka m24 stock or the ca m24 stock? Thanks, Gordon Link to post Share on other sites
Billy Bob the Sniper Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 This is hilarious. I was going to do this too. What do you think would work better a tanaka m24 stock or the ca m24 stock? Thanks, Gordon So was I, well I still do plan on it. I have a CA stock. I would think the CA would be better as the mag well is already almost in the right spot. Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I think the CA stock is better, it's more closer in construction to VSR. Width of magazine well is nearly the same. You can easily remove the magwell insert to have more space. Kristoffer, I checked the tapered barrel, the fit is better. Receiver fixed to stock: Reference pics for magazine width: Link to post Share on other sites
Billy Bob the Sniper Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 looks like with some cutting and bondo this will be a fairly easy project. Link to post Share on other sites
TOMMY GUN Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Yeah it does. Especially compared to how I made an m40a3 stock out of the stock stock. Just all bondo. I really want to try this. And is that the mag of the ca m24 that you put around the vsr mag? Does this stock make the barrel look short also. If so I'll be extremely happy. lol Thanks, Gordon Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 That's the VSR mag inside the CA receiver insert. And yes, the CA forearm is ~8cm longer. Link to post Share on other sites
TOMMY GUN Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Awesome. Where exactly did you get this stock though? Was it off a used ca m24 you bought?? Thanks, Gordon Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Trigger guard under reconstruction. To my suprise it's hard aluminium... Trigger guard finished and painted, plus relocated receiver hole. Bottom view... Fake magazine door will be disabled (glued), fake magazine latch will act as a stop for the spring guide stopper. Link to post Share on other sites
Jack the Ripper Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 LOL I rushed trough the forums and I thought I saw "Converting CA M249 stock to VSR, an interesting project" for the title May have looked nice Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Stock cut and fitted to upper: Gap between receiver and PDI light bull barrel: Link to post Share on other sites
Slim_Shady Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 That looks rather sweet - the bull barrel + M24 stock reminds me of some of the Secret Service rifles and while I don't really find the M24 very comfortable, I can't knock the appearance. Keep it up Link to post Share on other sites
AnotherJesus Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Curious. I've a rather large scope on my rifle (bear with me, it's relevant) on low scope mounts. When I take the VSR apart, I can wobble the barrel, to the point that the barrel will touch the scope. It also wobbles the other way, a good 5mm at least. I'd imagine not having the barrel lined up correctly, would cause some adverse issues. The nozzle pushing into the hop chamber at a funny angle could be problematic. How to you plan to insure the barrel is kept strait, how it should be, in relation to the receiver. Also, just in front of the mag well, the metal part is normally screwed to plastic. You've no plastic to attach it to. That part is normally where the barrel is kept strait, from what I can tell. This is a very nice project. I hope it works for you, but I can't see it being easy. Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Slim Shady, I prefer the M24 over the regular VSR, the grip is more comfortable, less strain on the wrist. The shoulder stock has wide range of fine adjustability (comes handy depending on clothing, backpack, etc). The M40A3 beats both in the ergonomy department (with the vertical grip), but that's a different story... . Another Jesus, I put markings on outer barrel and receiver which shows the correct "rotational" alignment. Correct distance between scope tube and outer barrel is also measurable, thus vertical alignment can be set. Horizontal aligment will be fixed by another marker. A spirit level and having two other VSR stocks as reference will also help. For the part in front of mag well a JG BAR stock will be cannibalized. I'll cut the proper part close to size then screw it to the hopup chamber extension. After the outer barrel is aligned, I'll glue the plastic in place, then reinforce it with epoxy and small patches of glass cloth. The slightly oversized mag well around the magazine will be fixed the same way. That is the plan so far. Link to post Share on other sites
Kristoffer Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 One nice feature of the VSR mag, is that the magwell doesn't really have to be a tight fit. If you take the barrel, with the zinc-block that the mag-catch is attached to, and fix the mag-catch to the block, the mag will actually click nicely in place and stay there. It certainly doesn't hurt to make a nice fitting mag-well, but it really isn't a must. An alternative to fixing the barrel with the block, would be to make a ring that fits inside the barrel, and drill, tap and screw it and the barrel directly to the stock. Or a solution like the Tanaka rifles use, with a metal part bolted to the outside of the barrel, and then bolting it to the stock. The CA M24 stock is so stiff, and the VSR barrel-to-receiver connection is so wobbly, I think that bolting the barrel (and receiver) firmly to the stock might be a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites
Username_Here Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I loved the feel of my M24, but it was so maintenance heavy when heavily upgrade I regrettably sold it. I had thought before of putting my VSR into its stock but always that it would be to much work. After seeing this I may have to hunt down another M24, i find its looks to be beautiful, doesn't hurt that the M24 is my favorite rifle of all time to =p Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I bought this stock off from an "upgraded beyond repair" M24. Putting a lug on the barrel is a good idea... Or maybe a barrel sleeve screwed to the receiver. I'd really like to have a completely solid upper. That barrel-to-receiver fit is the worst design feature of the VSR, but it's also a shame that companies like Laylax or PDI didn't come out with a fix. As for the loose fitting magwell... Well, the Fortress is loose like hell, you have to fiddle around to click the mag in place, and curse heavily when you try to remove it. The guys at Fortress have a wonderful sense to f*ck simple things up. Link to post Share on other sites
Kristoffer Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I have done a mag-pul'ish mod to most of my VSR mags. Drill a hole, tie parachord in a loop. Works very well in the Fortress stock. M24 stocks are available from ASG, and i'm sure Spartan imports can get them as well. They are rather cheap actually, ~500 NOK in norwegian stores, thats about 50£ or 70-80$. I think it is a very acceptable price for the stock, even if it needs some work. Link to post Share on other sites
TOMMY GUN Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 whats ASG? Link to post Share on other sites
Rhyn0 Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 whats ASG? +1 on that question Link to post Share on other sites
Hammerfall Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 ASG are an importer/wholesaler/distributor in Europe of airsoft products... i think. OR something along those lines. Link to post Share on other sites
Beast06 Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Yep, they are. Link to post Share on other sites
Hammerfall Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 http://www.actionsportgames.com/ As i thought. Link to post Share on other sites
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