!Thinking of going to gas!

[Kevlaa]

Hiya!

Need a bit of advice, I'm thinking of converting to a gbb rifle but never used one nor know anyone with one, I've only seen vids etc of them.

The rifle in question is a we scar closed bolt.

I need to know do they have problems?

What gas they take top green or co2?

And is there any chance of it firing hot?

And are there any major advantages with an open bolt?

And feedback is greatly welcomed

Thanks again people.

Kevlaa

[Helldiver]

Hi.

 

The close bolt version is descontinued, so you have to go with open bolt ver. I have mine since June without a problem and shoots 350fps on green gas, Also I recomend getting the gen2 mags, they are less prone to leaking.

 

Helldiver out.

[rvlyssup]

The rifle in question is a we scar closed bolt.

 

I need to know do they have problems?

 

Assuming that you are looking at a used closed bolt (AWSS) SCAR, pay particular attention to the stock hinge plate, early versions were pretty weak and broke easily especially with CO2. The later versions including the newer release open chamber (OB) versions are now reinforced.

 

What gas they take top green or co2?

 

The rifle handles both; on a closed bolt version, makes sure the nozzle rod is reinforced with a nylon bushing.

 

And is there any chance of it firing hot?

 

WE Techs have been known to shoot hot. NPAS is still available for the closed bolt platform

 

And are there any major advantages with an open bolt?

 

Although personally I have had great success with the closed bolt (I had 3 WE AWSS M4s, 1 has been converted) platform, I recommend that you upgrade and purchase and OB kit or buy an OOTB OB SCAR depending on what makes more money sense. The OB platform is very well received & reliability is superior to the older platform.

[Kevlaa]

Wow thanks guys that's pretty much it all questions answered thank you.

Eh........ Yeah maybe one more,

Gas or electric? Will the change be worth it?

(I know that's two questions lol)

[frogfish]

 

Gas or electric? Will the change be worth it?

 

That depends entirely on you, is ~6 30rd mags mags at ~40USD a peice worth it to you? Can you play effectively with that round count?

[hwagan]

I used to run an AEG and 8 Midcaps, totalling about 1,000 rounds. I'm now using a GBBR and 5 39 round mags, 6 if I can be bothered to carry the extra one; However, I often find I don't need it.

 

Using a GBBR essentially forces you to pick your shots, and I've never felt outgunned nor have I ran out of ammo after the first day or two's gaming under my belt. Honestly, if you can live with the foibles of a GBBR (You'll obviously need to clean it more often as well as tweak/fiddle/replace parts occasionally), it's SO worth it.

 

Ask yourself these 3 questions;

 

Can you live with a combat load of 2-400 rounds?

Do you like mechanical mechanisms, fiddling with them and repairing them?

Can you live with making sacrifices in exchange for the fun of loud noise, recoil and an instant, mechanical trigger response (Such as mags under a coat in the winter, lots of cleaning and the initial price of mags)?

 

If the answer to those is yes, It'll be the best thing you'll ever do. If the answer to any one of them is no, then you'll end up getting frustrated and selling it shortly after. Personally, I now find AEG's akin to making finger-love to an unpleasant fat girl when you're far too drunk. It's just disgusting and makes you feel ashamed.

[Seraphim989]

I would second that. I don't think I've picked up one of my many AEGs since I bought my GBBR a year ago. Not having the screw around with gearboxes, and the sheer fun factor of using a gas gun makes it all worthwhile. Also, since you do become more selective in taking shots, I believe you become a much better player. With any conscious change, I've become much more effective. However, this is just a side-effective, as even on the worst day of playing, when my hop up was completely buggered and I didn't get a single person, I still had more fun than I've ever had with an AEG, and the fun is ultimately why most of us do all of this, right?

[Darkstrike]

I actually never did the whole age thing, went straight to gas kjw m4 and kjw 1911 and I have to say out of all the games iv had reloading never really seems to be an issue. I honestly have no idea how guys can use up so many rounds per match lol! In all honesty though the trade off is fun and AWESOME noise against gas expense, a little more maintenance (not sure on that one because I have nothing to compare to) and a vagaries of the weather. It's that last one your going to have to deal with more then anything.

[frogfish]

I use both, there a some times where you just need to offer supressing fire over a longer period of time, especially when your opposition is much larger and predominantly uses AEGs.

[ChickenWatermelon]

I'd go for gas simply because of the recoil.

And the added realism.

[christhesecond]

Do some research on gasguns.info mate.

[notrabies]

Totally worth it if you can handle all the issues of the system. While not quite the same, I've switched over to gas shotguns and have ridiculous amounts of fun with them.

I often do better when using an AEG, but nothing is more fun than a functional M1100, although most of mine only have 3+1 capacity which can make things quite hazardous for me!

The 30 round mags of a GBBR sound luxurious at this point...

 

The other big concern of the swap is where you're playing. Some fields are going to put you at a massive disadvantage with your minimal firepower, so you might need to really invest in a nice barrel/hop-up plan to bring yourself back into success.

[ChickenWatermelon]

Or go to a dedicated milsim game where there are plenty of other people using GBB's.

[FireKnife]

Very much worth it if you take airsoft as a game of fun. If however you live to win then it is not for you. Gas guns are tempremental but can be very interesting if you are willing to look at them and give them more attention than an AEG, no more chuck it in the bag, take it out, battery in and fire away. You have to balance out your shots, the gas you want to use for the temperature, the cost of mags and how many shots you really need. No more relying on that extra 40 shots if the first one misses. Next time you go to a game limit yourself a bit with mags you have then look at how you get up to and take on a target. If you can't do it in 3 shots then that is the limit you would have to apply to yourself, try and get passed that first and if you are finding it more fun then move on to getting a gas gun and learning the parts to replace and the way it works and how to clean it etc.

 

'FireKnife'

[calbur20]

Same answer as Hwagan. I've been running a pure GBBR setup for almost 2 1/2 years now, and although these guns do break down time to time, I wouldn't really trade them for AEGs again. Sewing machines don't really give me a thrill anymore, and frankly it feels a bit dirty to try and run one again. Just go into it with an open mind and a willingness to try new things, and you won't regret it.

[HardcoreCook]

So, made a decision yet?

WE's G39 series aren't that bad for a beginner GBB user.

[Leshy]

WE G39 seems to be a good choice I've had my eye on one of these since release, I have one on the way as I type.

Read up on the thread on Gas rifles so your prepped on potential problems. A tip I have learnt from using any GBBP/R use .30 minimum (.28/.29 are recommended but I've not noticed any difference) Players are less likely to shrug a one shot hit off when, A: They are in Pain and need a wee sit down at respawn. B:When the entire Site hears the impact!

 

Case in Point; Last Sat, I was just using only my KJW 1911 first game I hit an OPFOR at 35+m with a single well placed shot the OPFOR had to take it as everyone heard the impact. 2nd Game OPFOR's buddy forgot the golden rule when playing on a sunny day, always be aware of your shadow, thus placing his head into my Iron's and recieving a double tap for his trouble. I apologised for the pain&suffering and was awarded at chrono at the end of the game.

 

Just be aware of energy creep and work with joules not FPS.

[raito]

Moved to GBBR's and never looked back... I usually run with 6 mags, and thats enough for me

Where I am its always sunny so weather isnt a problem...

[god84]

i have recently considered getting a inokatsue 2011 super m4. the cleaning n maintenance scares me!!

[Leshy]

i have recently considered getting a inokatsue 2011 super m4. the cleaning n maintenance scares me!!

So should the price, get a G&P, KJW, or KSC/KWA.

[H_exar]

There is another alternative: "modern classic" such as escort / daytonagun system or the Polar Star conversion. My only criticism is the cylinder on the back, but after the first use you stop thinking about it.

[god84]

nah bro, the price dont bother me, i had a bit of inheretence. plus this is coming from someone who owns a £1080 hurricane m82a1

[Leshy]

Invest your inheritance in Gold and Helium shares, and in a few years you will have enough to turn that M82 in a skirmishable gun!

Time though is Finite play with something that wont break you heart and prematurely end a good weekends Airsoft.

[Sallinen]

There is another alternative: "modern classic" such as escort / daytonagun system or the Polar Star conversion. My only criticism is the cylinder on the back, but after the first use you stop thinking about it.

 

Another vote for the modern classics. With a proper line setup the tubing wont bother you, I havent even bothered to make my setup perfect yet even though it is a bit on the way sometimes.

 

The newer Daytonagun systems are very stable and the older ones aint bad either. My new Gen1 M16 built on a WOC receiver has some darn stable fps, with deviation of 0.75-1 fps on average and equipped with R-hop it sure is one darn accurate gun. Ofcourse these have their own gimmicks, for example my M16 needs new mags, the currents ones dont feed well enough and in result it can be seen in accuracy. Once you learn the system you will know why this happens.

 

Then the AKs. Damn I love my AK. My absolute favorite. I will never let it go. It has had a torn hop up bucking on it for like 9 months, but I havent bothered changing it because it still works rather fine. I even played Berget 10 with it(damn she performed well in there). Also, the recoil is just brilliant, almost 600 grams of steel smashing on Guarder AKS74U receiver is just something to love. Note: my AK is a Gen2 and there are already Gen4 or even Gen5 available(cant remember), which has a weak spot in design fixed and is overall better in a few ways.

 

Difficulty of installation:

M16 kit installation: I let Tony(America/Europe seller) do it himself, has some spots which requires some skills or time and patience. He included R-hop in the installation

AK kit installation: Depending on your outer barrel design, either easy or requires someone to make thread on your outer barrel in the receiver end. Otherwise very easy to do, a hole in here and another in there.

 

Also, there are M249 kits available and FAL and MP5 series coming soon/already available. Also, Tony is customizing a MP5 kit to fit G3 series, but that is still at research level if I recall.

 

And Tony is a great guy and a pleasure to do business with.

 

Hes internetsite is tnkguns.com

 

What a sales speach pfft

[akiraspeedstar]

I had the closest thing to a GBB that AEGs can get wth a Tokyo Marui SOPMOD and that wasn't enough. I now own a KWA LM4 and KWA MP7 and will never buy another AEG (unless it's a stupid good deal, like $150 for another SOPMOD).