aznriptide859 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 http://www.airsoft2day.com/news/1115-zeta-lab-nowhere-to-be-found.html http://gunsmithbaton.militaryblog.jp/e405734.html Absolute *fruitcage* shame. I really hope no one here preordered their VSS/VAL, because it seems like you're never going to get it >.< Link to post Share on other sites
TnL Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 well, from what I've seen of their products, it was overpriced and sub par, so I dont think its a huge loss in the grand scheme of things... *though i cant deny they brought a few interesting guns into the mix Link to post Share on other sites
intinerious Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/206157-airsoftpanda/?p=2601086 It's a loss to those who paid the pre-order fee for the VSS/VAL. Link to post Share on other sites
kenxin Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 It's also a loss to gunsmith baton, who invested in the VAL (a million yen, apparently). Ouch, I hope he still does OK. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 So much for that Zeta Labs OC-14 Groza. I guess that means I'll have to make one now Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Holy *suitcase*! I placed an order at Airsoftpanda ariund christmas. After waiting for a month, i filed a Paypal complaint. I get a refund 3 weeks later. Now airosftpandas site is down. Phew! Link to post Share on other sites
Kenworth W900 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 I guess yours was the order that broke the Panda's back, chas. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Not quite. I was able to make an order from them (parts for my XP-100) early January and the site was still up to take your money. Waiting for Paypal to give mine back. Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Best of luck to anyone who was owed a gun. I've been tempted many times by various preorders, but cautionary tales like this and the TSI Tavor always cooled me off--let some other guy Kickstart these sketchy projects while I'll wait for a couple reviews, thanks. That's also why I only buy with credit cards filtered through PP, and if the snatchback deadline draws near and I don't have my item a claim gets filed, no exceptions. ...The president has allegedly been arrested in mainland China... Got behind on his bribe payments, maybe? Link to post Share on other sites
Leon Kennedy Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Yeah, I really don't understand why some of you folks pre-order guns. This is a hobby that is unfortunately based off fraudulence; most guns we buy are trademarked illegally and as a result, manufacturers are often shady. It's just a little nutty that you'd throw a few hundred bucks out for a concept gun built in a shack in China. Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 I think the word "preorder" is frowned upon especially in the US, because a certain retailer (cough EVIKE cough) loves to push back ETA's for years on end. Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Good luck with that, Cow. Talking about Evike, let's see if someone can clarify this: Gunsmith Baton is somehow related to Zeta-Lab, but he also shows the Iron Airsoft Lee Enfield on his youtube channel? Now Evike has a Matrix (generic name for "company-less" products) Enfield, but it's made by Iron Airsoft. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRssWCW2an0 Thank god, it's not an AEG. Link to post Share on other sites
kenxin Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Good luck with that, Cow. Talking about Evike, let's see if someone can clarify this: Gunsmith Baton is somehow related to Zeta-Lab, but he also shows the Iron Airsoft Lee Enfield on his youtube channel? Now Evike has a Matrix (generic name for "company-less" products) Enfield, but it's made by Iron Airsoft. Thank god, it's not an AEG. Allow me to clarify, 2 years ago baton traveled to china to meet with zeta lab and invested quite a bit of money into the VAL. In other words, no relation, he just got scammed for some serious amount of cash. Link to post Share on other sites
intinerious Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Yeah, I really don't understand why some of you folks pre-order guns. This is a hobby that is unfortunately based off fraudulence; most guns we buy are trademarked illegally and as a result, manufacturers are often shady. It's just a little nutty that you'd throw a few hundred bucks out for a concept gun built in a shack in China. More like a small warehouse room in the middle of some industrial complex XD Anyway, they did show pics of the external parts that were made (assuming those weren't taken from somewhere else). I wonder what happened to those. I'm sure if they went bankrupt the semi-finished externals were still worth something. Would think they would've sold it to someone. IIRC they had the body and barrel/silencer done already. All it really needed was the stock, pistol grip and mags if I'm not mistaken; and a generic v3 gearbox shoved into it. Link to post Share on other sites
ninja master of coffee Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Well, glad someone has made a lee enfield, just hope something can be done about the colour and the power (it chronoed at what, 220fps?!) Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Were these guns going to be limited editions? If not, pure ordering mass produced items (especially airsoft guns) is insane. Given that extremely few airsoft manufacturers seem to give a rats *albatross* about quality and robustness, even if you get the gun, first off production samples are almost guaranteed to be lemons. IMHO, anyone paying for first off products is basically paying to be a test pilot.....good luck with that. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Given that extremely few airsoft manufacturers seem to give a rats *albatross* about quality and robustness, even if you get the gun, first off production samples are almost guaranteed to be lemons. IMHO, anyone paying for first off products is basically paying to be a test pilot.....good luck with that. The flip side is if no one bought first production run/batch products the manufacturers would never bother actually releasing anything new, not just in airsoft, but with most physical manufactured goods. Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 The flip side is if no one bought first production run/batch products the manufacturers would never bother actually releasing anything new, not just in airsoft, but with most physical manufactured goods. Tis very true!! I guess, if makers new they had to impress first time, or, maybe if there were tougher regulations governing consumer rights that would be a good compromise. Companies like TM that have been in the game a good long while, and who have built a solid rep, you can trust. Problem is you can count companies like that on one hand....these others, no chance, especially the new start up companies who jump on the latest band wagon trying to capitalise on the newest fad. Link to post Share on other sites
intinerious Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Were these guns going to be limited editions? If not, pure ordering mass produced items (especially airsoft guns) is insane. Given that extremely few airsoft manufacturers seem to give a rats *albatross* about quality and robustness, even if you get the gun, first off production samples are almost guaranteed to be lemons. IMHO, anyone paying for first off products is basically paying to be a test pilot.....good luck with that. IIRC all the zeta guns were 'limited' editions like the Nagant...but from what I remember the Nagants weren't 'really' a limited edition gun. A friend of mine told me how shady (actually, reminded me; I knew about this a month or so ago when I talked to him) they were especially with the people Zeta screwed over on the Nagants. I'm not entirely sure whether I'm allowed to say anything else about it but basically Zeta, even before the whole VSS/VAL screwed over people out of a lot of money previously. Link to post Share on other sites
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