Sagittarius26 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Hello Forum, Basically want to upgrade the inner barrel of my gun. I'm stuck between a Prometheus Inner Barrel and a Magicbox Miracle Inner Barrel. Which would you guys recommend? Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 What role are you playing and what gun. Barrel length? Link to post Share on other sites
Beeingmyself Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 AEG, GBBR, Bolt, which rubber, which bb weight? In most cases it is far better du fixate the inner barrel and have the hop insulated and airtightened Link to post Share on other sites
Sagittarius26 Posted January 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Stock TM 416 with a Spectre BTC Mosfet. Inner barrel length of about 400cm. Link to post Share on other sites
Beeingmyself Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Stock TM 416 with a Spectre BTC Mosfet. Inner barrel length of about 400cm. That was some kind of lingth for a 416 ;7) Which BBs are you using and are you a spray and spray aim by the hose kind og triggerhappy or more like an 1-2-3 short burst kind of type? If you already have an airtight gun (cylinder and hop) I would recommend trying to fix the inner barrel first It is cheap and do a hole lot more than you would think in the first place. Just by putting an O-ring in between your outer barrel and inner barrel will help If you want more, try heavier BBs, I use 0.28 in all of mine but by switching from 0.2 to 0.25 you will see a big difference Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Get a bucking for the bb weight and fps. Take oem and get a barrel lapping kit for a .22lr. All a aftermarket barrel does is you are "sure" its smooth. That's it Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted January 8, 2016 Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 Prometheus EG 6.03 > Everything RHOP that shiz, and you'll be doing wonders. 0.30 BBastards Link to post Share on other sites
Sagittarius26 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 That was some kind of lingth for a 416 ;7) Which BBs are you using and are you a spray and spray aim by the hose kind og triggerhappy or more like an 1-2-3 short burst kind of type? If you already have an airtight gun (cylinder and hop) I would recommend trying to fix the inner barrel first It is cheap and do a hole lot more than you would think in the first place. Just by putting an O-ring in between your outer barrel and inner barrel will help If you want more, try heavier BBs, I use 0.28 in all of mine but by switching from 0.2 to 0.25 you will see a big difference I've put a silencer/barrel extension on the gun so that I could have that extra barrel length. Because currently the inner barrel length is 275 mm. Just want to get that extra bit of range and accuracy/grouping. I rarely do go on full auto. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Absolute 100% best barru on the market for accuracy - PDI 6.05mm. Failing that, Prometheus 6.05mm. Failing that, Prometheus 6.03mm Failing that, PDI Raven 6.01+mm. Link to post Share on other sites
Lone_Bullet Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Steel 6.05 like PDI and Prometheus does are indeed very good. Tanio Koba twist is a quality steel 6.05 as well, but it'll grt flamed on for mentioning this ^^. Don't forget KM TN 6.04 though: steel, well built with similar results as above. Go 6.03 from mentioned brand if you can't find 6.05. Just know that just installing a inner barrel won't do wonders. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Never seen anyone take a TK twist barru and show in a controlled test that it was out-performing a standard 6.05mm Link to post Share on other sites
Lone_Bullet Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 DL, never said that, but from my own experience it didn't under perform either. And the cost is about the same. They're not the holy grail of barrels, it's just another option . Also, please show me any controlled test of barrels. Too many factors AND amateur or semi-pro measurement equipment can not be taken seriously. Not so long ago I posted the results of amateur barrel testing here on arnies, of which I couldn't believe the results. Standard 6.05's outperforming or equals most premium brand. Many, understandably , called BS. I was confused. That's the only test I ever came across. Let's be honest here, the BEST barrel is your standard 6.08-6.05 brass barrel, but clean and degreased. That's absolutely the best bang for your buck. You want better range/accuracy? Tune a metal hop unit and add better bucking then R-hop it. Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 I'm a fan of g hops, I plan on g hopping my ghk in the future. Like I said have the inner barrel lapped, not to mention the kit will work with every barrel your gun comes with. Link to post Share on other sites
Beeingmyself Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 I've put a silencer/barrel extension on the gun so that I could have that extra barrel length. Because currently the inner barrel length is 275 mm. Just want to get that extra bit of range and accuracy/grouping. I rarely do go on full auto. Barrel lenth on AEG doesn't effekt range. Everything above 250mm will have very little to say regarding accuracy. I have run Guarder barrels and Guarder hopup rubber with very good performance on AEGs You will probably be able to get extra range with some of the newer hop up mods. And as mentioned obove clean your barrel and make sure you BBs are clean as well Link to post Share on other sites
Cesare Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Hi I would like to open this thread again. I am planning on getting a new precision barrel for a GBB-R platform with 20" barrel (510mm). I have been looking at the Magic box miracle barrel, KM inner barrel, a-plus rectifier or lately the very promising APS-X TNT barrel. Anyone got any good pointers here? Or should one stick to classics like PDI Orca Magnus or such? Pros & Cons Thanks Link to post Share on other sites
Lone_Bullet Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I have experience with KM TN barrels in a KWA KM16 aeg. Solid barrel. Can't get much better in quality. Now read my words again. Can't get much better. As in, you probably can, but doubtfully so, and to what price and by what margin? That said, PDI are in the sme league, orda can do wonders in GBB. I... Look atbthe other 3 you mentioned with doubt though. Stick with what we know? Link to post Share on other sites
Cesare Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Yeah maybe you are right. And there is of coarse many factors weighing in when it comes to getting precision, range and stable trajectory. Just trying to get the best out of the box precision. There is a lot of talk and videos out here about the TNT and miracle barrel. I want to know if they are as good as they claim to be. Is there no one here with experience of Traditional precision barrels and 1 of the following; 1. APS-X TNT 2. A-Plus rectifier 3. Miracle barrel 4. Tanio-koba twist barrel ? Link to post Share on other sites
Gunnman Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 All four of the barrels you listed are gimmicks. You can look at YouTube on those and judge for yourself but a 6.08-6.05, lapped, crown extended, r hopped and m nub barrel will take on those barrels for fun. And you need to shim your hop arm for added precision. No such thing as a mirace without work involved. Most players on these forums don't really want spend money on these "magic potion" barrels. Link to post Share on other sites
Cesare Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 I realise of course and don't want to compare good competent custom work with out-of-the-box solutions, but I want to know if they are any good. And if so which better? How do they compare to other ootb inner barrels? There seems to be a lot of opinions about them around but not so many that have experience from them. Any input is appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites
Lone_Bullet Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 I have experience with Tanio Koba twists. They not especially good nor bad. A tad bit harder to clean due to sharp biting edges of the 'rifling' ( they can tear off little fluff off you cleaning patch). They act as good 6.05 barrels. Like i said. Nothing special but certainly not bad either. Knuckles recommended them'for GBB pistls less than 7" in barrel length and that indeed works very well. Link to post Share on other sites
Cesare Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Ok Thanks Tanio Koba twist is also the oldest technique. I heard that they are quality barrels but that the "twist" did not make any noticeable difference. Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Is it the case that TK twist barrels are for around 1j output? Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 No, but they are significantly more sensitive to volume balancing issues (which is why they work well in gbb pistols, as the floating valve ensures they will never be undervolumed). Go for a PDI 6.05mm if you have money to burn, a PDI Raven 6.01+ if you don't. Link to post Share on other sites
Sky Crusader Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I've had a Tanio Koba twist in my M16 for several years. I will say with certainty that if you have the right hop configuration behind it, you will beat anyone on shot for shot accuracy. You may not out range many but you will hit exactly what you aim at. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites
Guges Mk3 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 TK are nice. They require a bit of hop-up balancing with the right bb. Think of them as "early" Wide bores and IMHO better than a wide bore for HPA use. I have one of my uppers on a G&P with a 363mm TK and I use that set up for .28g at 330fps...it is quite...accurate. Link to post Share on other sites
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