Mike Obrien Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 So as my personal favorite rifle (AUG) project comes to a close my itch to always have a AK style rifle is getting to me more and more. This rifle: Almost fits what I want perfectly to a T, literally the only thing that is off about it is the stock, the stock has that downward slant and that to me makes the AK really uncomfortable to aim down. But that type of Railed hand guard, pistol grip, the barrel length, the railed dust cover, and the adjustable stock is everything I want. But that one thing kills it... So I was wondering it would be possible to swap that stock off (or at least the buffer tube) to a kind that comes straight off the back and not a slant, if so what brand do you think would fit? If the prior isn't doable then this is my next idea: This cyma is similar, same hand guard, same pistol grip, but the barrel is slightly longer, the dust cover isn't railed, and it is the fixed type of AK stock, but you can see the lower receiver is flat and not at a downward slant so I could potentially swap out the stock. So of the two which is more doable? Thanks ahead of time.Also what brand midcap AK mags are good? First AK so I haven't made a stock of them yet. I prefer the 5.45 style ones that are straighter then their 7.62 counterpart. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Get a PT-1 or a Magpul MOE/Zhukov stock. Those have level combs. Edit: AR stock adapters are also level Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Obrien Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Get a PT-1 or a Magpul MOE/Zhukov stock. Those have level combs. Edit: AR stock adapters are also level For the APS version? Now the other thing is the APS is slanted on the lower receiver where the stock joins the body(which as far as I know isn't accurate to a real steel AK right?), so doesn't that mean I would need a specific adapter to fit? As for what adapter will any real steel adapter work or would I have to see how APS designed their lower? Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 APS is a bit of an odd duck. The receiver and stock from what I can see is proprietary. The rear of the receiver is indeed slanted like those that accept folding stocks and the rear trunnion is very different from an AKM/AK74M. Not sure if APS makes a stock adapter for it and other stocks won't fit it without modification. Might be best to look at a different maker for a wider parts compatibility like LCT or E&L (GHK or WE for GBB). Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Obrien Posted November 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 what about the cyma do you believe that one to be less proprietary? All I care about is external durability and accuracy to the real thing and those tidbits I mentioned. As for internals 9 times out of 10... no... 10 times out of 10 I tear them all apart anyway and build it how I want it. Link to post Share on other sites
Cannonfodder80 Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 If it's external durability you want look at E&L. The bodies are made from the same steel as the real ones. For magazines the mag mid caps are considered to be very good Link to post Share on other sites
ninja master of coffee Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 As Cannonfodder says, for build quality E&L can't really be beaten. Gunfire did a video torture test of the the E&L AK-74m and it withstood literal beatings and someone standing on it while it was held up by the barrel and stock. If you don't have the cash then CYMA's CM040 range are really good for the money, but don't expect the same level of durability. Still, steel receiver, solid gearbox, and a good quality Hop for under £200 is a good price. Things like the gas block, etc. are pot metal, though the quality of that pot metal is better than it was, dropping them generally isn't a problem, just don't try to use them as a ladder. With magazines, MAG are cheap and durable, though the base plates sometimes get lost, and there's not much you can do when the springs wear out. CYMA make really solid mid-caps for AKs. G&P make awesome but relatively expensive AK-74 mid caps, they're also the most realistic looking. Edit: A quick note on AK-74 style magazines. Most airsoft AK-74 magazines end up looking too long in the gun, this is because they're the same length (more or less) as real ones but don't have feed lips like the real things, so they sit about 1.5 CM lower than they should do. MAG and G&P correct for this by making their magazines a bit shorter than real magazins, so when they're inserted in the gun they actually look the right length. CYMA's Bulgarian and Polish style mids are also shortened to compensate for this but then you have a non-standard looking magazine. The Polish style ones are very well built, being the same stamped metal as their AKM mid caps, the Bulgarian ones are kind of brittle and can crack, which is a shame because translucent mid caps are handy. How much you actually care about the length of your AK magazines is of course entirely personal, though obviously it does make going prone a little harder if you have a longer magazine. Link to post Share on other sites
Bloodsword Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Where did you get this info? I wouldnt count on this. If it's external durability you want look at E&L. The bodies are made from the same steel as the real ones. Link to post Share on other sites
ninja master of coffee Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Regardless of whether it's the same type of steel as real stamped receiver AKs, they sure are tough Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Obrien Posted November 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 I would love to own and E&L as after having seen the torture test video awhile ago and just consistently hearing great things about them it makes them very appealing, but unfortunately their price tag doesn’t. Base rifle being in the high 300s or 400s before I even set it up the way I like to, that’s 600+ I don’t have to spare. So assuming I go with the Cyma, will any AR stock adapter work on it? Also where can I find a railed dust cover? Aside from an APS one I found for 40 dollars most I find online are for real steels with a 150+ price tag. Link to post Share on other sites
Cannonfodder80 Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Where did you get this info? I wouldnt count on this. I remember reading it when they first came out, if I can find it I'll post a link Link to post Share on other sites
ninja master of coffee Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 IIRC CYMA dust covers are steel. They now make a railed one that affixes to the rear sight block so it should be reasonably stable. No idea about general compatibility of stock adaptors but again, CYMA do there own so probably use one of those for simplicity's sake, or just get one of the many CYMA AKs that come with one installed. Link to post Share on other sites
Got Wood? Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 If you’re looking for an AK on a budget but buying in the UK, go LCT. About £50 ish more expensive than Cyma but a much better body in my opinion. Solid internals too. Fire support have the best prices on them Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Obrien Posted November 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 After some research I find consistently that it isn't effective to use a railed dust cover because it wasn't designed for such a thing and optics won't hold zero effectively. Now this may not be a problem in airsoft, but I am just curious if anyone has anything to say about this? Also if this is really the case what was done to the AK-12 to remedy this because those come with a rail front to back so they must of changed the design some how. Also another question more related to a real steel, I've noticed some designs have the gas block and the front sight separate while others have them merged. Is there any advantage to such a design functionality wise? Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Rail dust covers that hinge at the rear sight only lose zero when dropped while the cover is open because of how thin the pin is. Non abusive use should be ok. For the AK12 a new rear sight block is made with a beefier hinge to address the issue. If you want something really durable just get a decent side mount or a ZenitCo B-33 mounted on a B-30 or B-10M. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 The G&G RK74E that I have has got a railed dust cover. The bottom of the button is slanted, so the further out it goes the more it pushes the cover down, to the point where it touches the body. A strong enough spring pushing the button will keep the whole assembly quite firm.The G&G has a hinged cover, BTW.The problem I met with this specific model is that the vibration in auto would make the button go in, and eventually the cover would open, so I carved a slot for the edge of the cover to sit in. Now it not only won't move, but it's also very stable for a red dot since the cover is now fixed in two points. Link to post Share on other sites
druid799 Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 I’ve got one of the Cyma cm.077 Ak’s and it also has a railed dust cover and I can also confirm it’s solid as a rock no wobble or movement at all . Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Unless you are after a properly russian looking AK74, I think Druid answered your prayers. If you are not sure about the railed dust cover, slap a cyma ultimak clone and a clone T1 or MRO. Just to give my opinion, even if the E&L is far superior to cyma in build quality, if you don't try to destroy your gun in every game, cyma AKs (cm040 or cm077) will serve you well for quite some time just changing the bucking, barrel, and nub or at least that's my experience owning both brands Regarding mags, cyma are the best ones out there, not only are cheap, but they are varied, tough and with a good round count (150) Trust me, i'm a chairsofter EDIT: forgot to add, G&P midcaps are a good value as well, if you get the 10 mags pack, the price is not so much higher than cyma's and finish is quite good in the "Plum" version Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Obrien Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 So I ended up going with the cyma, found out the aps dust cover drops right on rail and all so that part is taken care of.Though two issues, one: How the hell do I get the flash hider off?two: Apparently this thing is a VFC clone... the stock is attached by a upper tang and a rectangle that sticks outward that channels the wires back. I can't seem to find an AR stock adapter that would fit this, does anyone know of one or has modified one that works? Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Depends on exactly what flash hider it is you have on. For the adapter, real and GBB have a bit of the stock going into the receiver for rigidity. Most of the AEG ones don't have this because of the gearbox so usually mount flush or have a very small portion still going into the receiver. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Obrien Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 a small portion of the stock does go into the receiver at a slight slant but as long as the tang that the stock screws into there is a rectangle sticking off the back as well for the wires. http://www.gasguns.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1705 On that link the 7th post by dicey has a picture of an AK with it's stock off, the upper picture is how the cyma is designed. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 That puts you in the same compatibility problem as the APS then. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Obrien Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Well damn... guess I’ll have to fabricate an adapter then. That’s annoying. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Which one did you buy? I believe LCT and E&L make M4 stock adaptors, although I'm not sure about compatibility I think they are a bit ugly =S Another option is to get a cyma body with the m4 tube already installed, like in their "MAGK" version, or are those aks from JG? can't remember, sorry, I know I got one of those magks, got the cool parts, made a new gun with the leftovers and sold it cheap ^_^U Link to post Share on other sites
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