cougarkiller Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 (edited) Great.. k.. So Systema Hard type bucking. Systema AUg Air Nozzle. Systema, Area 1000 (by Systema) Polycarbonate Piston Head!! Well it looks like systema Rocks!!!!!!!! lol quality parts!!! thanks Dan. Can't wait for the guide!!!!! Edited September 16, 2006 by cougarkiller Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cougarkiller Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Systema Aluminum Piston Head w/bearing - Is it worth getting the metal one instead? Any adavantages? Or do u think i might run into issues? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-Dan- Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 (edited) Systema Aluminum Piston Head w/bearing - Is it worth getting the metal one instead? Any adavantages? Or do u think i might run into issues? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â Â Â Would keep well away from using an aluminium piston head in the stock gearbox, you'll crack the cylinder head nubs off in no time. Â I would stick with a polycarbonate piston head with bearing. Edited September 17, 2006 by -Dan- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WarMonger Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Unfortunately i dont think you can buy just the PGC hop-up unit which is a shame because it is REALLY nice. Â I've been using a Deep Fire piston, with titanium coated teeth, and its been working wonderfully, maybe i just got lucky there, i dunno. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-Dan- Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Unfortunately i dont think you can buy just the PGC hop-up unit which is a shame because it is REALLY nice. Â I've been using a Deep Fire piston, with titanium coated teeth, and its been working wonderfully, maybe i just got lucky there, i dunno. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â Â Â Are you using that piston in the star gearbox or the PGC gearbox? As i believe the PGC gearbox uses standard pistons. Â Also were did u get the PGC gearbox from. Â cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WarMonger Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 I had the deep fire piston in my wild monkey gearbox, which i believed was a copy of the star. then i put it in my PGC. Â I bought the PGC from WGC, i was about 170$ That included the gearbox shell, bearings, tappet plate, nozzle, cylinder head, and the hop-up chamber with all the little related parts. Â You keep the star cylinder, piston, motor, gears, trigger switch, and a few other little things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cougarkiller Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 (edited) PGC is that metal one that is a copy of star gear box? SO if i wanted too. i could just scrap all the star *beep* and get what hes got! can u change out the spring like u can in the star? Edited September 19, 2006 by cougarkiller Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WarMonger Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Its not a simple drop in conversion. there is some work involved. You have to cut a peice out of the feed tray to clear the hop-up adjustment lever. You have to modify the anti-reversal latch button in order for it to work correctly. You also have to shorten the spring catch for it to fit the gearbox without hitting the spring guide, and you have to switch out the trigger switch lever for a longer one that comes with the kit. You also need to know how to shim gears since you have to assemble the entire gearbox, and solder aswell to detach and re-attach the wires on the motor. Â I would recommend that if your gun isn't broken, leave it alone, at least until it breaks on its own. It'll save you alot of headaches and money in the long run. I would have never done all of this if the plastic gearbox hadn't shattered. But i just had to go and try to get 380fps out of it. The cylinder head smashed the front of my gearbox, the piston went forward too far, and the last tooth broke off, at the same time bending the shaft on my sector gear. I had nothing but problems from then on. The hop-up kept leaking air no matter what i did, killing the gun's performance. I got so tired of tearing the gun apart and messing with it I decided to scrap the whole set up and go with something better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shroomalistic Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 im still trying to find a piston that fits my pgc gear box. From what I heard threw the grape vine is only the pgc, deep fire, and newer classic army pistons fit. When I got the pgc gear box used it had a pgc full metal teeth piston but it was cracked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mas_ms_22 Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 me it seems that all want to push the mechanics too much. in Italy the power limit is 1 joule and our toys cannot exceed such limit. Personally I please myself to optimize the mechanics with one spring to the limit of joule and the group air systema sorry for my bad english... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cougarkiller Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 I hate when threads stay stagnet!!! anyways.,. i plan on getting the pgc gearbox... just waiting to make sure i have enough money! I know that the gear box excepts star pistons!!!But does it except standard pistions? Can you put Helical gears? and so on. Sry if the question is redundant... want to make sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shroomalistic Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Im still having trouble finding a piston for my pgc gear box. The pistons need to be a little slimmer then standard. Ive tried a guarder and a cyma so far and niether fit. Both are too tight. I heard the new classic army pistons fit so Im gonna try one of those when aex gets em back in stock. As for gears, my stock xyt gears wouldnt work. the little notch for the tappet plate catch on the sector gear would hit a rail on the inside. I had to grind that notch down a little. The hurrican high speed gear fit good tho. Im still trying figure out what the exact cylinder head is that the pgc takes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cougarkiller Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 (edited) Now i started a thread about gears on the other page. Mainly if phoenix gears are any good. The response that i received was that they pretty much sux! At least it seems they keep breaking on people. They say systema and Prometheus where really good. They also said that hurricane sux, and i'm still waiting on a reply to y. Now are u using flat gear or helical gears? Cause i want to put helical gear and a deep fire titanium reinforced piston in there too!!!! Â oh and i also got my gun working again... but im still gonna do the upgrades!!! just changed out the o-ring... made a world of difference.. i guess i had no compression before!!! oh and a Prometheus hop-up bucking works wonderfully!!! u still have to us a little bit of teflon.. but it works great.. shotting in the 350 plus range! Â Ps.. did the star m249 come with a shiny green upgraded spring in it? if so can u tell me what kinda it is! Edited September 29, 2006 by cougarkiller Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shroomalistic Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 mine are flat gears, the deep fire piston works in it now problem. Thats what was in mine when I got it. One of the bearing blew out and pushed the gear up into the piston and broke the piston. As for the gears, im sure any gear set will work. I got mine in a trade so im not too sure what the other spring is your talking about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
racerfive Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I spoke to the guys at R&R Custom Airsoft (via e-mail) and they are making obsolete parts for the Star m249s. I bought the two piece Pos.2 spring guide with bearing and it works great. I saw earlier in this thread somebody found a similar part from China for around $60.? I got mine from Kastway. Also they are coming out with cyl heads and nozzles and poly carb pistons. Anyway, I got tired of modifying Guarder pistons to fit the plastic gearbox and bought a Wild Monkey box. I put a Deep Fire piston it with no mods. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jason-Alaska Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I spoke to the guys at R&R Custom Airsoft (via e-mail) and they are making obsolete parts for the Star m249s. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â What do you mean obsolete parts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shroomalistic Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 parts that are hard to find like pistons, spring guides and cylinder heads, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R&R Custom Airsoft Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 (edited) Yes we are...........Thank You Shroom Edited October 9, 2006 by R&R Custom Airsoft Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chrisvic Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 I am currently tyring to work out a deal with Star to purchase 10-15 complete stock gearboxes. Just testing the waters to see who might be interested. Dont know what the price will be yet, or if the deal will even go through. Â Â Also, if you have a broken trigger switch (box mag feed switch) Woulf in the UK has them in stock for about $35 USD. Â I have 2 Para versions 1 with a complete stock gear box has over 100k rounds through it with no problems other then replacing the hop up bucking. Â #2's gear box is ###### and only shoots at 250fps. Since I have tried every possible combination of gears, pistons and heads I decided to wage a long and weary campagin with Star to see what they would offer in the way of customer service. After 6 months and countless emails I finaly have gotten their attention. Â So let me know if a replacement gear box would be of interest. Â Â Regards, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muckymick Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 the motor on my gearbox has burnt out but the rest of the gearbox is ok .any body know what type and make of motor i should replace this with Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shroomalistic Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 I had a tm eg1000 short type in mine, I swapped it out with my slr105 motor. Any short type will work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gundrosen Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 (edited) Just ordered a M249 TRIGGER SWITCH from Wolf. Hopefully that will fix my problem.  I am currently tyring to work out a deal with Star to purchase 10-15 complete stock gearboxes. Just testing the waters to see who might be interested. Dont know what the price will be yet, or if the deal will even go through.  Also, if you have a broken trigger switch (box mag feed switch) Woulf in the UK has them in stock for about $35 USD.  I have 2 Para versions 1 with a complete stock gear box has over 100k rounds through it with no problems other then replacing the hop up bucking.  #2's gear box is ###### and only shoots at 250fps. Since I have tried every possible combination of gears, pistons and heads I decided to wage a long and weary campagin with Star to see what they would offer in the way of customer service. After 6 months and countless emails I finaly have gotten their attention.  So let me know if a replacement gear box would be of interest.   Regards,  That sounds great, I'm not sure if the gearbox is my problem. But it would be nice to know that I could get a replacement if it is.  And I am sure a M249 gearbox would be nice for some custom projects. I was thinking of making a 50. cal browning out of my gearbox if I cant get the M249 up and running again. Edited October 12, 2006 by Gundrosen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WarMonger Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Finally got everything done to my para that i wanted to do. classic army's new elcan is SWEET. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shroomalistic Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 (edited) looks good man, I just saw on http://www.airsoft-news.eu/ that star is coming out with a railed tray cover. Thats gonna be awesome seeing how mine has a bunch of holes in it from previous owner trying to mount a rail. Â Heres a pic of my star so far, its gonna look awesome with that rail cover. Â Edited October 12, 2006 by Shroomalistic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teetee Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 STOCK Star 249 owners: Â I've read all the horror stories in this thread about Star M249s breaking down but noticed most of them are upgraded. To those of you that have kept the gun stock, what do you think of it? How many rounds have you put through the gun, and what if any problems have you encountered? Â Also, how did some of you get rails on the bottom & sides of the foregrip? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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