Does ANYBODY actually take responsibility...

[Hissing_Sid]

Just heard about THIS on the news.

 

I was sitting and watching the mother explain how she felt let down after her daughter went to see a doctor about dieting advice and how he failed to spot her Bulimia and, I gotta say, I was thinking to myself "So how come YOU didn't notice anything wrong you silly cow?".

Anyway, the mother then, un-f**king-believably goes on to say "I was aware of what she was doing cos she told me. I thought it was just a fad though."

 

But it's the doctors fault, right?

 

Seriously, I don't mean to criticise this woman, specifically, after her daughter has died but, alas, that's when the media draws these things to a wider audience.

 

She is a classic example for the "no-blame" culture which I think is crippling our society.

 

She's now campaigning for more specialist eating-disorder clinics and for the government to give more funding to the issue.

Sounds like she's in denial of her own total failure to look out for her daughters best interests.

 

It's the same thing with everything.

In our own "back yard" it's the retailers faults that little kids can get hold of springers and abuse them, right?

Wrong!

Last time I checked a parent is responsible for their childs actions until they are 16.

 

How about abortion?

Anybody remember, a few months back, some woman was bleating cos she wanted the law to be changed so a doctor had to tell a parent if an under 16 went to a doctor because she was pregnant?

I mean, seriously, you could write an essay on everything that is wrong with that whole situation.

What's an under-16 actually DOING pregnant, and all the moral issues related to that.

Why is it the doctors responsibility to inform the parent? I thought the doctors job was to treat the patient.

Finally, and most damningly, WTF is the mother doing not actually noticing their daughter is pregnant?

 

It seems like everybody wants to blame somebody else when they screw up these days.

 

Personally, I think this sort of thing is like a cultural version of Natural Selection at work. When people do dumb stuff they NEED to be told, in no uncertain terms, where the fault lies. If you can't accept that then how the hell can you avoid making the same mistake again?

[Desolation mkII]

I totaly agree. My brother was once in a situation like that first doctor was in.

 

He was accused by some stupid cow of teaching her son to swear in the playground. She kicked up a huge fuss about it and tried to get him in loads of trouble. A couple of months later he is round at her house (he was friends with her other son) and he hears her drop a plate in the kitchen *fruitcaging* s##t she exclaims loudly. So it was obviously her that her son had learnt the swearing off.

 

Another one I hate is when they blame schools for not teaching their children good behaviour. ITS YOUR FRUITCAGING JOB TO TEACH YOUR CHILDREN TO ACT RESPOSIBLY, NOT MINE, NOT HIS TEACHERS, YOURS.

 

Sorry, rant over.

[Foxtrot]

For us Yanks.... 6 stones = Ultra light right?

 

 

And no... It's 100x worse in America.

 

 

I hate to say it, but if you sneeze wrong in a class room, someone will probably sue you for spreading something. Honestly, people are Sue happy anymore. "OMG IM GOING TO SUE YOU" and some dousche bag lawyer will take the case, take 95% of the money you get, and blam.

 

 

Honestly, My family owns a business and I can tell you some stories that would make your jaw drop.

[richie_j]

For us Yanks.... 6 stones = Ultra light right?

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Its about 80lb, or 35-40kg.

So yes, considering organ mass, bone mass and blood.

[Foxtrot]

Its about 80lb, or 35-40kg.

So yes, considering organ mass, bone mass and blood.

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Damn. Thats tiny.

[expvideo]

I can't feel sorry for her because I don't think bulimia is a desease. I also don't think alcoholism is a desease. I think calling them deseases is a cop-out and a cheap way to not take responsibility for your own actions. "I couldn't take the pressure so I became bulimic" yeah... as opposed to going on a diet and exercizing, you lazy *fruitcage*. Pardon me for showing absolutely no sympathy, but she got what was coming to her.

 

I imagine some of you know a bulimic person and are very offended by what I just said, so I'm sure I'll get a few neg reps, but please remember that this is just my opinion, and I don't expect you to agree with me.

[Foxtrot]

I can't feel sorry for her because I don't think bulimia is a desease.  I also don't think alcoholism is a desease.  I think calling them deseases is a cop-out and a cheap way to not take responsibility for your own actions.  "I couldn't take the pressure so I became bulimic"  yeah... as opposed to going on a diet and exercizing, you lazy *fruitcage*.  Pardon me for showing absolutely no sympathy, but she got what was coming to her.

 

I imagine some of you know a bulimic person and are very offended by what I just said, so I'm sure I'll get a few neg reps, but please remember that this is just my opinion, and I don't expect you to agree with me.

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You my friend, get a +1 for that.

[mig_eater]

I can't feel sorry for her because I don't think bulimia is a desease.  I also don't think alcoholism is a desease.  I think calling them deseases is a cop-out and a cheap way to not take responsibility for your own actions.  "I couldn't take the pressure so I became bulimic"  yeah... as opposed to going on a diet and exercizing, you lazy *fruitcage*.  Pardon me for showing absolutely no sympathy, but she got what was coming to her.

 

I imagine some of you know a bulimic person and are very offended by what I just said, so I'm sure I'll get a few neg reps, but please remember that this is just my opinion, and I don't expect you to agree with me.

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well my girlfriend has border line anorexia, so yea i find that fairly offensive, but like you say its an opinion, and i only neg rep for things which make airsoft look bad, or uhh support nazism i suppose

 

I personally feel it's a non-physical diease (sp?), a mental illness that you do need treatment for

Cheers

Mig

[letterbomb]

The childs mother must have noticed. This is no lie. My cousin who is in his twenties was bulimic and was very ill in hospital. As some of you might know the body has to resort to getting energy stores from somewhere else. First it uses fat, then muscle and organs. She must have seen how thin her child was getting. My cousins wrists are still stick thin as a kind of 'scar' i would guess.

 

EDIT: mig eater you are right. Its a mental thing. The people who are either bulimic or anorexic dont see themselves in the mirror as being thin its like a mental block.

[billymak]

And reading the thread at the same time... twiggy

 

Responsibility???

 

This is the UK, where 99% of the smart people and the things that get done right never get a single mention.

 

Afterall, they wouldn't want to read about POSITIVE things do they? Christ...

[cpaxton]

The childs mother must have noticed. This is no lie. My cousin who is in his twenties was bulimic and was very ill in hospital. As some of you might know the body has to resort to getting energy stores from somewhere else. First it uses fat, then muscle and organs. She must have seen how thin her child was getting. My cousins wrists are still stick thin as a kind of 'scar' i would guess.

 

EDIT: mig eater you are right. Its a mental thing. The people who are either bulimic or anorexic dont see themselves in the mirror as being thin its like a mental block.

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The body eats muscle before fat.

[billymak]

Didn't know that... I thought the fat reserves would get converted first...

[cpaxton]

Didn't know that... I thought the fat reserves would get converted first...

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Which would be better and would mean weight loss, but the body does eat muscle reserves first IIRC

[joeking27]

When seeking energy, the body doesn't give a *fruitcage* about weight loss, it wants energy. Theres more energy in stored fat than in muscle. Unless you're saying fat has no physiological purpose.

[cpaxton]

When seeking energy, the body doesn't give a *fruitcage* about weight loss, it wants energy. Theres more energy in stored fat than in muscle.  Unless you're saying fat has no physiological purpose.

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The energy stores used is not your stored fat, but instead it’s protein and carbohydrates that will supply most of the energy (stored fat makes up a very small percentage). Your body will take the protein and carbohydrates from your muscle cells; causing your muscle mass to reduce which forces your metabolism to decrease (a low metabolism = slow or no fat burning).

[El_Hombre]

I can't feel sorry for her because I don't think bulimia is a desease.  I also don't think alcoholism is a desease.  I think calling them deseases is a cop-out and a cheap way to not take responsibility for your own actions.  "I couldn't take the pressure so I became bulimic"  yeah... as opposed to going on a diet and exercizing, you lazy *fruitcage*.  Pardon me for showing absolutely no sympathy, but she got what was coming to her.

 

I imagine some of you know a bulimic person and are very offended by what I just said, so I'm sure I'll get a few neg reps, but please remember that this is just my opinion, and I don't expect you to agree with me.

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I totally understand bulemia. That "death-camp" look turns me ON!

[Hissing_Sid]

I can't feel sorry for her because I don't think bulimia is a desease.  I also don't think alcoholism is a desease.  I think calling them deseases is a cop-out and a cheap way to not take responsibility for your own actions.  "I couldn't take the pressure so I became bulimic"  yeah... as opposed to going on a diet and exercizing, you lazy *fruitcage*.  Pardon me for showing absolutely no sympathy, but she got what was coming to her.

 

I imagine some of you know a bulimic person and are very offended by what I just said, so I'm sure I'll get a few neg reps, but please remember that this is just my opinion, and I don't expect you to agree with me.

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well my girlfriend has border line anorexia, so yea i find that fairly offensive, but like you say its an opinion, and i only neg rep for things which make airsoft look bad, or uhh support nazism i suppose

 

I personally feel it's a non-physical diease (sp?), a mental illness that you do need treatment for

Cheers

Mig

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Must admit, I can sympathise with both POVs here.

 

I really think that Anorexia and other eating disorders are genuine illnesses, mental ones but illnesses nonetheless.

 

OTOH, I'm a pragmatic sort of person and I can't see how anyone allows themselves to get to the point where they are so far away from what is "Normal".

I mean, I might think I look great weighing 40kgs but I'd still have enough objectivity to look at BMI charts and realise that I was WAY below the average and even outside the healthy limits.

A Bulimic must be aware that emptying a meal down the toilet is not normal behaviour. The rest of the family is not queuing up to do the same thing.

Therefore, they must realise they are doing something abnormal and that the low weight is also abnormal?

 

I'm not saying that's how a bulimic thinks. I'm saying that's how I think.

 

Mind you, I gave up smoking a few years ago. People ask me how I did it and my response is always "Stop putting them in your mouth and lighting them".

Same thing with booze. I like to drink quite a bit. I go out 2 or 3 times a week and usually have wine, beer and spirits in the house.

I also work in countries where drink is banned and often just the nature of the work means I can't drink.

People ask me if I worry about not getting booze.

Nope.

[WeirdoTransvestite]

The energy stores used is not your stored fat, but instead it’s protein and carbohydrates that will supply most of the energy (stored fat makes up a very small percentage). Your body will take the protein and carbohydrates from your muscle cells; causing your muscle mass to reduce  which forces your metabolism to decrease (a low metabolism = slow or no fat burning).

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It's actually both, the body can run on fatty acids, for a while. However the brain cannot. That's when the muscle starts to go. Otherwise, starving or anorexic people would have some mass on them if the muscle went first. Plus, look at it this way, in the stone age, which is what counts when looking at the body functions, you would not get food every day. You'd be lucky to eat once a week. If the muscle went first, you would have no strength to get food when the opportunity arose, you and the rest of humantiy would have been extinct thousands of years ago. Fat (for a time), then muscle, finally organs, by which time you should be dead anyway.

[mee]

All I read was Responsibility

 

[expvideo]

well my girlfriend has border line anorexia, so yea i find that fairly offensive, but like you say its an opinion, and i only neg rep for things which make airsoft look bad, or uhh support nazism i suppose

 

I personally feel it's a non-physical diease (sp?), a mental illness that you do need treatment for

Cheers

Mig

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I agree that anorexia is a mental illness. But bulimia, imo is not. I feel sorry for people that are anorexic, and I see them as heroic for defeating it. However, I do not share these feelings with bulimia.

[cpaxton]

It's actually both, the body can run on fatty acids, for a while. However the brain cannot. That's when the muscle starts to go. Otherwise, starving or anorexic people would have some mass on them if the muscle went first. Plus, look at it this way, in the stone age, which is what counts when looking at the body functions, you would not get food every day. You'd be lucky to eat once a week. If the muscle went first, you would have no strength to get food when the opportunity arose, you and the rest of humantiy would have been extinct thousands of years ago. Fat (for a time), then muscle, finally organs, by which time you should be dead anyway.

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You cant really hope to prove a point by guessing what would happen in the stone age. How do you know when they ate or nor? Im just talkiung about science, what actually happens. Obviously your muscle is not eaten at a rate so fast that you cant be ative, but eaten non the less. When you use your muscle your body requires less energy to maintain its new lower body weight ( body weight is lower because you loss muscle), which is why your body conserves energy by slowing down the metabolism. The body has adapted to the new lower energy (calorie) intake which means that you will no longer continue to lose weight.

 

The weight you had lost in the first place was mostly water weight and you will eventually gain it back in the form of fat, not muscle (in order to get your muscle mass back to the way it was before, you have to work on rebuilding it).

[Psaldorn]

It depends on the amount of food you do eat.. if you eat some food then your body will break down fat, if you eat nothing it tries to maximise running capacity and preserve it's fat stores so it breaks down muscle meaning you have less muscle to waste energy to maintain.

 

You need to keep metabolism up and calorie intake/expenditure at the right level to get your body to use its fat reserves.

 

http://www.articlebiz.com/article/2129-1-w...iets-dont-work/

 

http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/calor.../starvation.htm

 

I CBA to find more scientific-looking backups but if you find evidence to the contrary then please post.

[billymak]

Our physiology has changed only very slightly since the ice age. It's our methods of survival that change, not our body.

 

Back on topic, this is just another case of natural selection.

[Spudgun]

I hate to say it, but if you sneeze wrong in a class room, someone will probably sue you for spreading something. Honestly, people are Sue happy anymore. "OMG IM GOING TO SUE YOU" and some dousche bag lawyer will take the case, take 95% of the money you get, and blam.

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There was some bloke on the radio a few months back who commented that America had one fifth of the worlds population, but two thirds of the worlds lawyers. Somehow, I believe it.

[mig_eater]

americas population is WELL below one fifth, I believe there are 120million > 200 million people in america. the world as a population of around 6 billion. so i make it more like a 30th of the worlds population, but i wouldn't be at all surprised by the 2/3rds of lawyers lol. China which has a populas of 1.2 billon has a 5th of the world population but they've got different non-sueable problems (hey theres an idea make the world communist and no more lawyers )

 

I heard a quote somewhere "my son, he got nicked for a petty offense last year. this year he's 18 and did it again now he's off to prison, I blame the schools"

 

I believe i shall introduce Hissing Sid's idea of letting people know in no uncertain terms that they are responsible from now on (well unless there are more than 6 of themtogether and they look rough )

 

Cheers

Mig