Does anyone adhore to team setup?

[FireKnife]

We have a stern leader and second in command but unfortunatley we need much better grunts as they either dont understand the most basic of military tactics or run off when the shooting starts (one even didnt know what an M249 is when he saw one).

 

'FireKnife'

[Samm]

We have a stern leader...

... they either dont understand the most basic of military tactics or run off when the shooting starts

Obviously not stern enough.

[kerberos_]

Someone I know who's just started was talking about tactics etc and how he's been watching SWAT videos bla bla.

 

Now, I'd think that in order for something to work, you'd need to agree on it and stick by it. But I think you've maybe already noticed that but not accepted it.

 

Besides that, I tend to play with whatever team my mates are in or who I've travelled with. If we get split, we get split. I don't like to be part of a team the way there are 'teams' in airsoft much like your Team Badgerous on a consistant basis. But I wouldn't mind playing in part of a team if asked.

 

This MSI thing I have in my sig suggests as such. Mercenary System Initiative. Basically, I'll play with anyone in any game if I wish to do so. I'm not affiliated to any particular team or carry any team badges ...yet.

 

I agree, it's your money and if you'd like to stay as a team, so be it. Though, if for example, you had 'specialist' roles (support weapon, sniper) within your team and we needed to split that up (for a game or so) so both teams would have a 'shot' with one of those guys in it - I'd ask very nicely and explain the reason as such why I'm asking you.

 

I think on a day, it's good to even out such roles between teams - scenario permitting.

[Kymerthy]

hello,

I think you need to sit down as a team and pick amongst you who is your team leader!

Then get a box were all the team members write down any think that they have a problem with.

Weather it is there position or weather it is to do with a team member.

Then the person that is leader gose off and reads all the comments that was put into the box. Then the leader reads the comments out to the hole group.NOT MENTIONING ANY NAMES.

And then have a big group discussion on the problems and rules.

The team leader also has to make team rules which he or she could then in force if there was someone not following the rules or going against the leader.

If this player continued then the leader could evict him or her off of the team

or even have a vote to see what the rest of the team members think.

when doing air softing game why don't you have a leader that gose one way and a sub leader that gose the other way so you split the team i half but stay with in the same sort of range to help your fellow team mates out

sorry if i am no help but i am trying.

(love you fireknifeXXX)

 

sorry

XKymerthyX

[PariahWolf]

Our team works together and trains together as a team, unsurprisingly!

 

We base our organisation off of British training and tactics. We have a training program, SOPs, Radio Procedure, Code Names/Words.

 

At Skirmishes we stick together and split down into pairs or fire teams depending on team turn out. Communication between teams is tight and our efforts are focused towards completing the objectives.

 

However organisation isn't rigid and we improvise outside of the box, often incorporating other team members for the day and changing tactics on the spot to deal with varying situations. Something which we find only possible now we trust each other and work as a team.

 

Basicly you need a plan, learn it, but don't try to stick to it rigidly.

 

Also I resent the comments about teenagers not being 'stern' enough to lead. I'm 16, I've been in charge of teams before and no one has had issue with this, we also completed our objectives. Although you're probably right about most teenagers, I've had vast experience compared to most in a leadership role between cadets and airsofting.

[The Waco Kid]

Trust me when I say Pariah is a very squared away player in person. I'm 30, I'd happily take his orders on the field.

However in general I have to agree that many younger players don't seem comfortable being a team leader, but then nor do many older guys. I think team cohesion is more a factor of experience rather than simply age and the less experienced players tend to have unrealistic expectations of what their team can achieve.

[Kov]

You need a stern leader. Not really going to happen if you're all teenagers though.

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I am sorry, but I completely and totally disagree with you. A stern leader is not necessary and often leads to bad teams.

 

Also I resent the comments about teenagers not being 'stern' enough to lead.  I'm 16, I've been in charge of teams before and no one has had issue with this, we also completed our objectives.  Although you're probably right about most teenagers, I've had vast experience compared to most in a leadership role between cadets and airsofting.

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PariahWolf, you are absolutely right and I could not agree more. There are many incompetent leaders and players out there, but there are as many teenagers like that as there are “older and more mature” players. It’s a bad stereotype and truly a problem in airsoft when people can’t get along because of different ages. I have had many instances in my airsoft career where some older person’s arrogant approach to others (or even me!) has ruined the entire airsoft day. What adds salt to the burn is the fact that many of these individuals are less experienced and have played far less. It is an open insult. Its truly a shame that I have to stand up for younger players on a field when “everyone is just here to have fun”. Oddly, I find those that have served in the armed forces the most susceptible to this behavior. I can’t exactly blame them, but they need to understand that real life and airsoft are very very different.

 

Anyway, the rest is for you FireKnife.

 

First, understand that you do not need a stern leader or someone that will bark orders. Remember why you started playing airsoft- you joined the sport because it was fun (that or you had a sick sense of humor and liked shooting people because you thought it was funny ). If you put a bull headed equivalent of a barking dog as your leader, someone who only barks orders and recites drills and tactics, then you will have a dysfunctional team. Yes, some people join aisoft teams to get barked at and follow orders, but the vast majority are just there to have fun.

 

Your leader needs to be flexible, able to understand everyone’s needs, but instead of being stern he needs to be reliable and dependable. A leader should be like your best friend who will give you an extra push if you need it. This kind or trust grows bonds between you far stronger than respecting someone simply because “he is in charge” and “he gives all the orders.”

 

If you feel that your team is breaking up into groups and doing their own thing, then you are correct. This is why I advise subconsciously splitting the team into two categories- your professional team and your casual team. There is nothing wrong with following orders, understanding tactics, and playing a good game… but not everyone is into that sort of thing! Likely more than half of the people in your group just want to go out and shoot people. They don’t want to get drilled, they don’t want to be forced to do things, and they resent it and don’t like it. You must honor and respect that (otherwise, why did you let them join the team in the first place?).

 

So then, know who is capable and willing to get drilled and take orders and who isn’t. Train those who are willing to train, and let the others enjoy themselves. In time you will get some of the stragglers to come into your professional team… why? Because they see that you are doing better, and will want to improve their game. Inevitably many others will resent your abilities and ultimately stop playing, but that is the nature of the game. Its very hard to have a professional and casual group of players under one flag, but it can be done.

 

Just remember why you are playing the sport in the first place, and give everyone some light under the sun. You will be surprised how many people you can win over if you simply let them do their own thing and prove themselves to you.

 

 

 

Kov

[FireKnife]

I think its more an attitude problem as their are members of the group who think that they know it all and have a control over all but its the desicions that make the team. In games i used to gather other players and lead them in flanking and such, picking those who i may not know but look best suited to the job at hand (i mean who would pick a sniper for a charge or who would choose an assault for a long range engagement). I find it easeir to pick those who listen and let the know it alls off ont their own.

 

'FireKnife'

[VeseX]

I think for good leadership, you've got to find that balance between being Totalitarian and shouting at everyone just because you've appointed yourself 1/2 IC and not making any decisions at all, or consulting your team about every single decision. Now, im not saying you shout at everyone, dont get me wrong. ^ that is directed at no-one.

 

True, someone has to take charge, but no one likes being shouted at. Its not life of death, it is afterall a GAME. Its fun. Thats why we all started playing afterall.

 

But on the otherhand, you cannot consult your whole team on every single problem you encounter. Initiative will come in handy.

 

And whoever it was who said they send all the nubs and younger people in first...

[The Waco Kid]

I just follow the orders of whoever bought along the most porn & booze....

[[BS]_MARS]

If you live in Western Washington, visit my team's site at www.battlesim.com and come to a game. You'll end up with some form of training from either an Army Ranger, his "prodigy", or one of the team members all Ranger trained.

[Kov]

Funny thing is, I am from Western Washington State, and I have to say that the worst airsofters I have ever met or played with are from Western Washington. I actually believe this state is notorious for its bad players.

 

That’s not an insult, especially since I am from the WA and some of the best people I know are from around here, but its the “ranger hyper super delta extreme DEA special forces” guys that supposedly know everything about real warfare but struggle on the airsoft field against teenagers that often shows the holes of converting from RL to the airsoft world. I also often wonder how many special forces guys there actually are, since at least in Washington State, there are ten at every airsoft event...

[MDK_Marshal]

Oh, for crying out loud...

 

I'll say it now, They fail to work as a team because they're a bunch of muppets. Yes ryan, I siad MUIPPETS!

 

(Before i get neg-repped for flaming, I know the entire team, and most of us go way back )

 

You lot Fail to work as a team because You have no kind of command structure, and there really isn't anyone in charge. Nobody gives orders, nobody says "You, you and you, assault that firebase", and everybody ends up bimbling around and not working effectivley as a team.

 

If I recall, it's Boris that's 1IC, right? Well, make him show his worth. Next game, or next time you're all together, Have him order everyone around - nobody does ANYTHING untill he tells them to. That way, you all get used to taking orders, and you and Boris get used to giving them.

 

And, to be honest, if you can't demonstrate that you're a better tactician than everyone except 1IC, then you shouldn't be 2IC. You should have command places that people have earnt, not appointed themselves to.

 

So, To sumarise - the 1IC and 2IC need to shout orders and commands and make sure everyone else does what they're told. If they disobey an order without good reason, then give them a good beasting! YOU are in command of them, and hopefully you're there for a reason.

 

 

If all else fails, I'll Get my section leader, Butch, to take a road trip down to somerset to get you lot sorted out. At the *very* least, he wouldn't be afraid to give you a royal b***ocking if you ignored him!

[The Waco Kid]

I still love that fact this topic has the word ADHORE in the title. It is childish of me but I am a sucker for commercials.

[MDK_Marshal]

Heh, that makes me giggle too Check the spelling, ryan!

 

While I'm here, I'd like to publicly thank pariahwolf for neg-repping me for my previous post.

 

For the record, I don't know how to run a team. That's why I don;t run one. I do, however, know what these guys need to work effectively as a team, and it's what I posted.

 

So yeah, thanks a bundle. Glad to see that I can be neg-repped for giving blunt and honest advice to my friends from back home.

 

[DirtyMoFo]

i will second the whole motion of the fact unless everyone knows each other and exactly how they play, what they do and etc. then you need a leader, in the heat of abttle if you all stand around having a discussion about what you should do you will get shot. you need to have a competant commander who can say 'go there now' and a team willing to trust teh commander.

[PariahWolf]

Heh, that makes me giggle too Check the spelling, ryan!

 

While I'm here, I'd like to publicly thank pariahwolf for neg-repping me for my previous post.

 

For the record, I don't know how to run a team. That's why I don;t run one. I do, however, know what these guys need to work effectively as a team, and it's what I posted.

 

So yeah, thanks a bundle. Glad to see that I can be neg-repped for giving blunt and honest advice to my friends from back home.

 

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No problem!

 

Although I fail to see why you needed to point that out, I stand by my rep point. I'm not going to get embarrassed and apologise.

 

There are several problems with your post, I won't go into all of them. Suffice to say I have NEVER needed to beast a team member and never will. Airsoft teams should NOT be run like an armed forces unit. People are there to work as a team and have fun. If they are deserving of a beasting then they shouldn't be on the team. People should be commited to the team, if they are then there shouldn't be any need for beastings.

 

Not only does that apply for beastings but also for arguments, shouting at people, etc. I don't know or even care if you were just trying to sound hard or if that is actually what you thought, that is not how to run an airsoft team.

 

What you posted was wrong ideas on how to run a team, you posted blunt, honest and wrong advice.

[Kov]

I couldn't agree more with PariahWolf and what he has said, I think our previous posts reflect the whole idea behind this.

 

Still, MDK_Marshal knows each person out of the group. If he says they lack leadership and any command structure, then I say you must get a command structure and some leadership if you can move on and improve how your team plays.

 

It does not have to be rigged or a caste system, but every team needs some kind of structure and leadership. Without it... well... is it a team?

[MDK_Marshal]

Pariah, I didn't expect you to apologise. In the end, it's a rep point on an internet forum, hardly the most important thing in the world. With these guys, they do need to be shouted at and bossed around a bit - at least untill they learn. Yes, they're primarily there to have fun. But if they can work as a team properley and kick some serious *albartroth*, I reckon they'll have more fun!

[FireKnife]

I think better grunts are needed as considering that Typhun is a grunt in our force but thinks hes Mr. Universe so he never listens and prefers to run off on his own. Dave tries to listen to everyone at once so he gets confused by the multiple orders going around and Ben and Adam stick together and go on there own, leaving me and Phil (who eventually goes off with Typhun).

 

I think Boris needs to command more respect than some give him as i can see him as a good leader, he just has to shout at the others more for not helping the team.

 

But for woodland im changing my post in chain of command, Team sniper (mainly giving cover so a throat mic would help me communicate with Boris and the others).

 

As i have said before im normally off leading others, makes people less worried then if they're on their own as then they have someone to follow and are not stuck alone in a hail of bullets (normally these people may be newbies, but they can be damn good for giving cover to me sometimes).

 

'FireKnife'

 

p.s. About the 'adhore' i had bout 10 secs to right the original topic cause they dont ike me using Arnies at college, damn those fascists that rule my college.

[Samm]

Certainly sounds like a bunch of immature teenagers who can't be arsed working as a team to me.

[FireKnife]

I think we have more of Leader who can lead people, just not the grunts they are with.

 

'FireKnife'

[MDK_Marshal]

Not quite, samm. But fairly close

 

Ryan, what you said is basicaly right. Boris needs to shout and yell a bit more. he's too soft to be an effective leader at the moment

 

Gota make everyone apy attention and work as a team properly, and it won't happen if he's bellowing with the ferocity of a newborn kitten

 

To answer your original question, though, The GLF adhere to a command structure, military style. There's three sections with se4ction leaders, who report to the 1IC and 2IC. Us grunts don't even speak to the 1Ic and 2IC unless we're all that's left of a section or it's something like "Look out, grenade!"

[Carrion]

i dont bother even with a team.

 

when i play i just attach myself to a group and work with them it is easy

[Samm]

Yeah sorry, I was referring to the rest of your team.