jamesandhistool Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 on the real G36, when fired does the cocking handle move? ive always wondered. have your say! Link to post Share on other sites
Maple-Leaf Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 No it doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites
Belladonna Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 like the mp5, the cocking handle moves the bolt, but isnt attached to the bolt in the same way that say, the ak, and sa80 have the handle directly on the bolt. R Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 It fires from a closed bolt, yes, but on the G36 series the cocking handle does indeed reciprocate with the action - this is intentional as it helps to clear jams. Link to post Share on other sites
Tannie Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 It moves.. Heres a Vid : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPhMreAGdY0...related&search= Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Here's a better vid. Link to post Share on other sites
HellsAngel Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 The G36K looks awesome in one of the videos linked to the one shown I knew the bolt moved, but was unaware it locked back simply needing to be flicked forward when reloading... That's really quite cool. HellsAngel Link to post Share on other sites
Pinkfloyd Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 I love youtube... It smells like victory... Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 The handles of AKs and L85s are attached to the bolt carrier, not the bolt. This also goes for the G36 series. I don't understand how it would help clear jams though. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
Edmiles Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 I hope everyone that gave an answer to the question has actually handled and fired the real thing I know I haven't, thus I'm not answering. Link to post Share on other sites
Spedz Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 It's darklite. He knows everything. Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Well, I have, but I don't see how that is relevant. Instead of using that as an argument, I would rather refer to the videos that clearly show the cocking handle move when the weapon is fired. It doesn't take a person who's fired and handled the real ones to make that observation. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
HellsAngel Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Well, I have, but I don't see how that is relevant. Instead of using that as an argument, I would rather refer to the videos that clearly show the cocking handle move when the weapon is fired. It doesn't take a person who's fired and handled the real ones to make that observation. -Sale <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lol, I'm sure only the first response was from someone who didn't really know. Even if you've handled it, doesn't mean you'd necessarily know if the bolt moved when fired now does it! Maybe the cocking handle being connected to the bolt carrier would make it clearer initially as to what kind of malfunction you're dealing with? Like a simple ejection port jam, or an internal jam by looking at the position of the bolt carrier without inspecting the ejection port itself...? I'm theorising out on a limb here! Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 I hope everyone that gave an answer to the question has actually handled and fired the real thing I know I haven't, thus I'm not answering. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't be retarded, if you have seen a video with it moving and can provide said video, why shouldn't you post? Link to post Share on other sites
Edmiles Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Don't be retarded, if you have seen a video with it moving and can provide said video, why shouldn't you post? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Read my post properly, it states an 'answer' as in to simply make a yes/no statement, with evidence then yes of course you can then answer. And HellsAngel yes I know, I said handled and fired on purpose knowing that you would actually have to fire it in order to see it moving. Link to post Share on other sites
Maple-Leaf Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 I stand corrected. I have to admit that I just assumed it didn't becuase of the way that it's configured - and becuase all other HK weapons that I'm familiar with don't. Just goes to show that it pays to double check your facts before typing. I shall proceed to drop and knock out 20 for being so presumptuous.... Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Read my post properly, it states an 'answer' as in to simply make a yes/no statement, with evidence then yes of course you can then answer. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No it doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites
HellsAngel Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 And HellsAngel yes I know, I said handled and fired on purpose knowing that you would actually have to fire it in order to see it moving. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was only teasing People are getting a bit snappy though! Its true that no other HK rifles or smg's seem to have a moving cocking handle, so I can see where you'd be confused. I personally think its a very nice feature, the bolt being held open and releasing with a smooth movement of the cocking handle. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 The handles of AKs and L85s are attached to the bolt carrier, not the bolt. This also goes for the G36 series. I don't understand how it would help clear jams though. -Sale <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It removes the need for a forward-assist. Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 It removes the need for a forward-assist. And why/how would you use one for clearing malfunctions? Actually I'll answer that one: You don't. If the cartridge doesn't feed all the way, the last thing you want to do is force it any deeper into the chamber. -If the weapon goes "Click" when it should go "Bang", you simply rack the charging handle once and continue. (If the weapon has a bolt hold open device.) -If the weapon still goes "Click", change the magazine, rack the charging handle and continue. -If it's a more serious malfunction, like an FTE or double-feed, you remove the magazine, rack the charging handle twice, attach another magazine, rack once and continue. If you start looking whether the charging handle is 1-2 cm back from where it should be, you're just wasting time. If you do any visual checks, it would be the ejection port (or magwell), pretty much regardless of weapon type. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 At a wild guess I'm thinking the assumption is that a cocking handle fixed to the bolt can aid with stuff like hard extractions due to being a bit beefier? No idea if that's actually what Darklite's thinking though. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 At a wild guess I'm thinking the assumption is that a cocking handle fixed to the bolt can aid with stuff like hard extractions due to being a bit beefier? No idea if that's actually what Darklite's thinking though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry, head cold atm, thinking process much impaired. Link to post Share on other sites
balberoth-the-destroyer Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 The L85A2 has the cocking handle attached to the bolt carrier, and you do indeed use it to clear malfunctions, in fact when you have a misfire and the cocking handle *appears* forward, the first thing you do it tap it to make sure it's all the way forward, if that doesn't work then there are other actions that I can't be bothered to detail, but the immediate action in the situation above is to tap the cocking handle, which wouldn't work if it didn't reciprocate with the bolt carrier. Standard British Forces weapon handling, something that after three and a half years in the RAF, I'm somewhat familiar with. Link to post Share on other sites
Edmiles Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I was only teasing People are getting a bit snappy though! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, sorry. My post was only really aimed at the first chap and one or two after. Link to post Share on other sites
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