Azulsky Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 FPS is going to be adjustable via the regulator(to an extent) FPS is dependent on PSI Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 This is just a demonstration remember the release date is still not set other than "early next year" and I would assume that Escort would work out the kinks as they are very good at doing that, and they might develop a reciprocating bolt by that time too. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 not much point making the actual moving bolt part of the mechanism bolt shaped when it comes to an M16 - seeing as the reciprocating bit is half way along the receiver rather than up at the ejection port where the hop up and barrel are sitting Easiest way to have a moving bolt on these is a lug at side of the moving blowback chamber that a fake bolt can be attached to That fake bolt then extends beyond front of the gearbox to hide the hop unit etc however having viewed it a few times this particular system doesnt seem to have much bolt travel at all - the spring is behind the mechanism ala an AEG spring behind an AEG piston and the whole lot is inside a gearbox shell I'd reckon on a powered blow back travel of say three or four centimetres or so tops? now what you could do is have an elongated slot in side of the bolt so that it can be drawn back a fair amount of distance by hand before front of the slot engages with the actual bolt - that gives you ability to mimic plenty of travel when someones cycling it by hand, while the rear end of the slot sits snugly against the lug on side of the moving bolt when at rest - that way as the moving bolt moves rearwards it pulls the fake bolt with it. Trouble is during the pull stage (ie while firing) the bolt travel will be a lot shorter than when cycled by hand. Thats only way as yet Ive been able to design a decent amount of bolt travel into an escortised AK though its not using an AEG mechbox shell however really comes down to where escort are positioning these - as a be all and end all solution or as a taster to encourage folks to invest in a rig get used to external hoseand then be tempted to move up onto full blown escort guns? If it gives a decent kick, feeding doesnt go down the pan, semi is sorted for various fire select requirements and it has a reasonable price Id shell out for a few even if bolt travel is limited. Link to post Share on other sites
Jin15 Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I don't know if anyone here frequents the ClassicAirsoft.net board, but Paul (Sniperx) announced this new Escort system mechbox on the CA board and also stated the retail price of this mechbox conversion kit should be under $200 USD! For that price I think I'll be converting my AK for sure... time to start shopping for a palmer's rig and co2 tanks! Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Yeah it was posted a page or so ago. Link to post Share on other sites
Fin Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Speaking of which what’s the rough cost of a co2 tank and hose? I’m looking to fit a tank inside a backpack and trail the hose along a strap and then along the sling Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 classicairsoft.net Usually $150ish for a CO2 setup $200 for a HPA setup All of the info for that is over on CA.net Link to post Share on other sites
Jin15 Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Yeah it was posted a page or so ago. ... my bad Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 if you're in the UK never buy a rig untill you're sure which propellant is available locally a CO2 less common than in the past b HPA fine f you have a dive shop nearby to fill a scuba tank at c absolutely hee haw if you're in an area thats got no CO2 suppliers left and no dive shops to provide an HPA alternative while you'll need to source the palmers stateside buy the other components in Uk - particularly the tank which has to be UK EU aproved and not a US approved tank Link to post Share on other sites
Fin Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Well i live in the middle of nowhere so no co2 im guessing may have a dive shop nearby though (well probably not), live in hope Link to post Share on other sites
airsofter177. Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 The gearbox works basically for everything but AEP's. Link to post Share on other sites
freq88 Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 ooooh gas powered converted Scorpion or MP7. That would be loads of fun Link to post Share on other sites
Jin15 Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Sorry freq88, it looks like at least the first run of these gearbox conversion kits won't be compatible with the Vz61/MP7/Mac-10 style AEP gearboxes. However Paul (Escort's rep.) did mention that AEP conversion kits might be a possibility later down the line. But in the meantime, can anyone say "gas blowback P90"? Link to post Share on other sites
freq88 Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 I know I was just fantasizing. Though I'm sure some ingenious person will take on such an endeavor and be immortalized within the airsoft world. Ooooh blowback P90 would be awesome. Link to post Share on other sites
IcePlatinumsky Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Dude Thompson man!!! A Thompson would just get some Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Actually that would be a really good idea because the bolt travel if hooked up to the bolt cover would actually be fine for that. Link to post Share on other sites
QQexDERA Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 What really appeals to me is that i could just have QD connectors on each gun, and one HPA rig and spare bottle. No arsing around with charging up 8 different batteries the night before a skirmish. Plus, I have a dive shop just down the road Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Exactly, might not even need a spare bottle depending on how much you go through in a skirmish Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 I'm not sure what the plan is but I hope they sell the mechbox (say a v3 one) then you also buy some parts for the specific gun, so if you wanted to put one in a g36 you would buy the mechbox + the parts to get the ejection port to blow back, with the ak you could get a new bolt etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 OKK...boy did this blow up overnight....1600 vid views in 8 hours, 2 pages on CA and 5 pages on Arnies.... NO way I can keep up with individual questions. So we'll answer what we can. FPS is unknown right now. Until we get the tappet plate hooked up we can't really get an accurate read. Preliminary tests are showing, JP pressure=JP power. That video was shot at roughly 100psi. The design is built around the standard AEG cylinder, not the AEP...maybe later. This is really only a demonstration of capability, we are looking at producing a stamped steel mechbox similar to the ICS models. IE, the upper remains the same...but the lower changes based on selector systems and trigger positions. The pricing is correct and accurate. This is not an Escort replacement. Nothing can compete with pounds of brass and aluminum moving. This is a way to get new users interested in gas gun and a way to get new gas guns on the field...IE G3, P90, etc. This is only phase one of the grand scheme of the HGS. The inner valve on the airshhaft apparently has been changed somewhat, unfortunately, when I got into work, it was already sealed up. I plan to run a durability test similar to what we did with the MG42. Hook it up to a compressor for 24 hours. Maybe I'll do a youtube video with a clock next to it. And strangely enough, most of the shock is at the rear of the unit. Also, with the decreased weight the crush oring, if it has one, will not be damaged like before. Thats it for now, maybe more later. That clears a few things up for me. Looks like they are still a few months off. Stuff like this keeps me sane though... Link to post Share on other sites
Fin Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 GBB MP7 would be so nice Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Well i live in the middle of nowhere so no co2 im guessing may have a dive shop nearby though (well probably not), live in hope If by the 'middle of nowhere' you mean the country then their is probably a gunshop near you. They will sell airguns, so they'll be able to tell you where you can get a HPA Bottle recharged. They may even have a dry air compressor themselves. Link to post Share on other sites
TDS Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 I'm not sure what the plan is but I hope they sell the mechbox (say a v3 one) then you also buy some parts for the specific gun, so if you wanted to put one in a g36 you would buy the mechbox + the parts to get the ejection port to blow back, with the ak you could get a new bolt etc. From what he said on CA.net its just the gearbox internals, you supply the gearbox shell, so we get to see if blowback makes the failure rate of V2's even more epic than it is now. Link to post Share on other sites
Dusk Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 From what he said on CA.net its just the gearbox internals, you supply the gearbox shell, so we get to see if blowback makes the failure rate of V2's even more epic than it is now. I also agree, version twos are weak against springs with a plastic piston. This is alot of brass moving back and forth, and its slamming the front end of that gearbox with alot of force. I see alot of crying eyes Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted November 10, 2007 Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 actually from what was said on CA net last I looked the suggestion was for a two part pressed metal frame - with the cast alloy mechbox more of a proof of concept than anything else ie standardised upper shell and various lower shells dependent upon particular application actually is contained in the quote already carried above: This is really only a demonstration of capability, we are looking at producing a stamped steel mechbox similar to the ICS models. IE, the upper remains the same...but the lower changes based on selector systems and trigger positions. Link to post Share on other sites
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