blablabla Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Ok then, This is the first part of many to come... I was working on the ammo/feed box so I decided to already take some pics of that part before I move on the MK23 after the game on sunday. Sorry beforehand for the crappy pictures, will take care in the future to have them more clear and crisp... First of is a general impression of the box in its entirety, it's good, real good... I've had two M60's in the past, a VFC and A&K, they were good, but this is on the next level, G&P really did there best with the design of this unit, some of the weaknesses I've had in the past are all addressed with this one. The flextube is real sturdy and fexible,... BB's run through without hick-up The unit that mounts on the hopup and barrel comes of real easy, but is rocksolid once mounted, very clever system. Plenty of screws that hold everything together, only minor weakness I could find is that the screws tap in directly into plastic, lots and lots of airsoft stuff is like that, saves them money installing metal busses I guess, so screw them down and just don't overtighten them and you should be fine... and don't take it apart hundreds of times. Every electrical wire is good quality,well insulated and soldering is up to spec.Can't speak highly enough of the wiring, some of the best I've seen on any gun This is look down into the hatch where you feed in the BB's, this can be done during a game, you just slide down the lid of the outer ammo box and open the hatch and pour in, quick and easy. Bottom hatch opens up to and offers place to the 9V battery you need for the box. Early feed designs didn't have this so the motor in the feed box was directly powered by the battery of the gun,so you were dry-firing quite some time to get the BB's into the feed tube and in the hopup Now you can just press a button on the box and it will feed the BB's through... until they fall out and then you can install it onto the gun and you are good to go when you pull the trigger. You leave the 9V in all the time , a little print plate in the box divides the current from your main battery and the 9V, so you don't burn that up in 5 minutes. Once the main battery kicks in you don't need to press the button anymore.You just that at the start of the day When you give a long burst and stop firing, release the trigger that is, you can hear the box still winding to constantly fill up the flextube,from the 9V, it will automatically stop. This is the unit that mounts onto the hop-up, you can see the two copper contacts that make contact with the base station on the gun either side of the hop-up. the flex in and out, as you can see on the pic, so no worries on squashing them. This is what it looks like when you lift up the half of the box. Must admit they really thought about it, and the man that designed this should have a medal and a statue, the best box of any support gun I've seen. Everywhere above the brownish part, diagonal across the box ,is where the BB's go, Real clever that the BB's always have to go downhill so that there is minimum stress on the little motor and gearbox that push the BB's up into the flextube. Also no BB can reach the wires in the lower part and where the print plate is, so nothing there can be shorted out or accidentally be disconnected. Again quality of wiring and soldering is very good. Also good is that the motor and gearbox are completely incapsulated and can be lifted out in one whole piece, then can be lubed up a little bit, as I did, no chance on grease escaping out or dirt or BB's getting in, so no problems should occur there. This is the brown feed ramp and motor/gearbox assembly lifted out Nice touch is that the whole gearbox/motor combo just slides in the big wheel on top of the brown feedramp, so no attachments for the rest. It applies torque by being completely blocked in between the two halves on the ammobox, Here you can see the big gaping hole where the BB's fall into and get picked up by the big wheel up the tube and out the front to deliver there deadly load !!! Nice touch is they added dimples on the top of the wheel for added grip on the BB's Here is the little box just before I gave it a little lube general view of the whole stuff box without the BB's but with battery is about 300 gr box with BB's is about 600 gr This what a full boxmag looks like, 1200 BB's complete Stoner, battery, BB's full load is about 4,5 Kg compare with an unloaded G&P M16A1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blablabla Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 First game on sunday,more will come later on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Looking good! Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 You do a AEG review ... and only show pics of the mag!?!! So for clarification, this gun's box mag has an autofeed feature? So you don't need to press a button to feed BBs into the gun it'll automatically do that for you? What kind of battery are you running on yours? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zmarre Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Yes it has. I don't have a 9v battery at home, I just have to pull the trigger for 10 seconds before it fills the whole feedtube with bbs before it begins feeding into the hopup. I might have received a lemon though. Stock broke off during transport (that's two of us!) and very bad feeding in single shot mode (no problem in full auto though) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slu Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 You don't need single shot mode Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 ^Pretty much that. I would definitely love to see more pics of the gun - so far looks like G&P put a lot of effort into making this gun right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I wouldn't be surprised if the single shot is inconsistent due to the auto feeding feature not being optimized for such a short voltage impulse. That said, as slu points out, this is a support gun ... full auto is pretty much what it's designed for. As for the stock, that seems to be the major weak point of this product. I wonder if there's a way to retrofit a aluminum or steel armature for the inside of stock to reinforce it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blablabla Posted February 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 (edited) Yes it has. I don't have a 9v battery at home, I just have to pull the trigger for 10 seconds before it fills the whole feedtube with bbs before it begins feeding into the hopup. I might have received a lemon though. Stock broke off during transport (that's two of us!) and very bad feeding in single shot mode (no problem in full auto though) lazy *fruitcage* get at 9V ! No home-depots in Saint-Peeters-Lion then ? Edited February 3, 2011 by blablabla Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blablabla Posted February 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 (edited) You do a AEG review ... and only show pics of the mag!?!! So for clarification, this gun's box mag has an autofeed feature? So you don't need to press a button to feed BBs into the gun it'll automatically do that for you? What kind of battery are you running on yours? yeah this sunday I will take some pics in the field, and later on I will completely break it down to spray the furniture and will take pics along the way... yes it has an autofeed feature, you don't need to push the button to make the gun feed once it is attached, but it makes it a whole lot easier to fill it up, push the button to let the 9V do it's work and then attach it to the MK23 so you can directly go to rock and roll mode. I am running it on a 7,4V LiPo, 30C, 3350 Mah Edited February 3, 2011 by blablabla Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blablabla Posted February 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I wouldn't be surprised if the single shot is inconsistent due to the auto feeding feature not being optimized for such a short voltage impulse. That said, as slu points out, this is a support gun ... full auto is pretty much what it's designed for. As for the stock, that seems to be the major weak point of this product. I wonder if there's a way to retrofit a aluminum or steel armature for the inside of stock to reinforce it. I only get single shot misfeeds when I try to run it on 11,1V LiPo, So when I use any 7.4V, it feeds single shot all the time You don't exactly need single shot, but it does make it easier to adjust the hop and decompress the spring for storage. real deal MK23 only had full auto to... There sure is a way to reenforce it, buddy of us is going to lay some carbon matts on the inside, his dad makes RC helicopters and uses them to make the body. But you could use metal or something else te make it better, they would all work. But G&P is aware of the problem and i wouldn't be surprised if a second version stock comes out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Apocalypsemeow Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Oh god I'm so jealous, better start saving up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Agent47 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 This gun looks really good, but I'm going to wait until they get all the stock problems sorted out... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Agent47 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 and if someone could reverse engineer the feed concept into an M60, or an M240B, or a PKM...(insert other popular machine gun) then we'd have a winner on our hands... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blablabla Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 and if someone could reverse engineer the feed concept into an M60, or an M240B, or a PKM...(insert other popular machine gun) then we'd have a winner on our hands... dear sir... That wouldn't be a bad idea, at all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G0LF K4RT Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 This gun looks really good, but I'm going to wait until they get all the stock problems sorted out... i agree. i was never really in the market for a support weapon before, but i might have to rethink things now... this looks SO NICE! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blablabla Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Well ooh la la Speechless for now, pics say all! Will write up some firsthand stuff later on... You will not be disappointed, as was I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Agent47 Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 forgot to ask, can you compare the Mk 23 box mag with the M249 100 round para cloth mag? They look to be about the same size but I just want to check so I can figure out what pouches to order... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blablabla Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 forgot to ask, can you compare the Mk 23 box mag with the M249 100 round para cloth mag? They look to be about the same size but I just want to check so I can figure out what pouches to order... Pouches to put in spare boxes you mean ? the outer boxes fit snugly in M56 pouches, you just have to elastiband the little lock honestly don't know anybody with one of those little nutsacks, but I could take some measurements But I guess it isn't that far off... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bladerider Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 (edited) Thats on good lookin piece and a nice change from the usual 249sWhat is the rof like on these? Would the box mag be able to keep up with a lipo? Edit* i should pay more attention to the above posts sorry! Edited February 9, 2011 by Bladerider Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 What's the maximum size battery this can hold? I'm thinking about getting a lipo for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blablabla Posted February 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 It can literally hold a brick These are the batts I mostly run it on, the yellow one gets the most use Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seeker Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Wow thats an beautiful gun and G&P has once again set the mark for nice exterior. I am not a fan of the version 2 gearbox without a quick spring change feature though Quote Link to post Share on other sites
[NL]Infinity Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) honestly don't know anybody with one of those little nutsacks, but I could take some measurements I have a STAR and I guess the dimensions are pretty much the same as other brands Will you be as "Commando" (site) on the 6th? If you are, drop me an message! EDIT: Just saw the price of a single MK23 boxmag: $118!!!! holy *suitcase* Edited February 19, 2011 by [NL]Infinity Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blablabla Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Yup, will be at Commando the 6th Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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