Mike2514 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 Guess the SOHPC and SFW weren't enough of a give away. Its the Cryes that tip the difference I'm talking about standard kit all over, apart from personal weapons. Someone I worked very closely with in afghan wore Osprey, DDPM and had a man bag with a standard MK6a with helmet cover and used the same DPM patrol pack that I had. He also use PLCE when the situation arose as he preferred it over Osprey pouches. I never questioned his kit as it was never a point of interest at the time so couldn't tell you what he had back at Bastion for other missions. Literally the only difference was that he had his SFW, he had a browning like me, and a GPMG like my guys did, although his general was slightly modified. The Talibs and most enemies in combat don't pay attention to what weapons guys have anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
abbadon101 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 By the sounds of it that was 2003 or 4 though, not recent. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike2514 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 By the sounds of it that was 2003 or 4 though, not recent. 2007 was when I was in Helmand and the same guy I'm referring to was still working out there in 2009 using the same kit. Me and a friend of mine both worked with him through different units and we were joking about how he's a little tapped in the head and still has his little man bag, which is actually an old claymore satchel that he uses for all his mags and grenades. Not mega recent but not that long ago. Anyway the principal is still the same. If they're working with green army and the mission dictates it then blending in is what they'll do. Same happened in Iraq.The Basra sniper springs to mind when they inserted SF guys into regular patrols. All wore the same kit apart from personal weapons. Link to post Share on other sites
abbadon101 Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 If he was attached to your unit then stands to reason he would have been using similar kit, so as not to be singles out as a target and to not announce their presence there. However, all the loadouts and impressions people tend to do are of the DA or QRF units that appear in pictures from time to time, where they don't need to stay so low key. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike2514 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 If he was attached to your unit then stands to reason he would have been using similar kit, so as not to be singles out as a target and to not announce their presence there. However, all the loadouts and impressions people tend to do are of the DA or QRF units that appear in pictures from time to time, where they don't need to stay so low key. Which brings us back round to my original point of "Lads in Iraq and Afghan for example have opted for bog standard infantry kit because that's who they were working with and they didn't want to stand out!" Which was in response to a question about them using MTP. Link to post Share on other sites
spetsnazdave87 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Bit of a difference between 'opting for bog standard infantry kit' and 'wearing similar gear for an op'. People are asking for advice on what kit is correct for a visibly, UKSF kit. Not a 'what might I wear that might look a little bit like it could possibly be UKSF if some guy on the internet said it was ok based on something he saw six years ago.' If people want a recognisably UKSF kit, vaguely telling them to just wear bog standard infantry kit isn't helpful. If they wanted to look like a British regular, they wouldn't be asking questions in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike2514 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Bit of a difference between 'opting for bog standard infantry kit' and 'wearing similar gear for an op'. People are asking for advice on what kit is correct for a visibly, UKSF kit. Not a 'what might I wear that might look a little bit like it could possibly be UKSF if some guy on the internet said it was ok based on something he saw six years ago.' If people want a recognisably UKSF kit, vaguely telling them to just wear bog standard infantry kit isn't helpful. If they wanted to look like a British regular, they wouldn't be asking questions in this thread. Christ almighty. Did you actually read all of my post or just pick the bits out that you thought you could argue with. The original comment was in response to someone ASKING (highlighted to make sure its clear as you have quite rightly pointed out that people are ASKING for advice) if SF guys would wear MTP!! Had the question about SF wearing MTP not been ASKED the point would not have been raised. Its a simple concept! Surely in a discussion about SF conversation is allowed to progress and advance?! Link to post Share on other sites
Mike2514 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Which brings us back round to my original point of "Lads in Iraq and Afghan for example have opted for bog standard infantry kit because that's who they were working with and they didn't want to stand out!" Which was in response to a question about them using MTP. I've just noticed here that I haven't quoted all of what I meant. I was supposed to also quote my comment about lads choosing the right kit for the job, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
biscuitninja Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Do they wear MTP? As Mike said, yes they probably do, dependent on the op etc Can you use MTP as a UKSF impression? Well, if you want it to be instantly recognisable as per the numerous photos kicking about, probably not, as with Dave/Abbadon's comments. You'd be better off with a set of Crye's or replica Crye's. To be honest, most the impressions are based on photos, AFAIK there's not been a confirmed UKSF photo of someone in MTP. Yet. Link to post Share on other sites
Nickona Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Quick question, how accurate would a Multicam massif shirt be for a UKSF impression? I know UKSF use multicam and do acquire quite a bit of kits of the Americans but I can't find any pictures confirming it so if anyone on here could help that'd be great! Link to post Share on other sites
Nickona Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Here's my UKSF, Iraq TFB inspired RAV and MICH. Just need some better pistol mag pouches and a few more nitty bitty bits I also have no idea whats meant to go on the back as I can seem to find a photo of someones back...! So if someone can help that'd be great! Link to post Share on other sites
GhostWolf Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Heard some of the lads were buying and using the Warrior DCS over there, but can't find a pic to prove it. Link to post Share on other sites
abbadon101 Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Can't see why when they get issued SOHPC's which are pretty much the same but with a couple of extra features. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 It's like:- "Here, have this kit" Response:- "No, that's okay. I'd rather spend my own money on kit". There is nothing wrong with having a load out 'inspired' by uksf. But if you want an accurate/recognisable kit, you have to go by pictures (which can confirm which kit, has definitely been used). I have an 'inspired' SAS loadout but I don't say it is an SAS loadout, as it is not accurate. Link to post Share on other sites
Nickona Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Thats like the "do the SAS use MTP" debate. They probably do but until someone can find a picture to prove it, its hard to claim it in a loadout Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue845 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 MTP for kicking around camp, Crye for Ops. As for the Warrior DCS, it might be a case of mistaken identity. Mayflower and LBT rigs are in use, and the DCS looks very similar. Someone thought my DCS was LBT until I told them otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites
abbadon101 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 Mayflower rigs? Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue845 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Mayflower APCs or something similar iirc, similar to an LBT 6094a, similar to a WAS DCS. Link to post Share on other sites
abbadon101 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 I have never heard of Mayflower PC's being used. Trialed items included 6094RS's, JPC's, TYR PICO MV's and C2R PC's and the SOHPC has been an isued item for the last 6 or so years. I have heard rumors about mayflower chest rigs being used but never PC's. Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue845 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Like you say, trialed items, and not in vast numbers. Link to post Share on other sites
Nickona Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Someone once gave me a great bit of advice with regards to building specific loadouts. Its that you can build a loadout on the exceptions, and i may be perfectly correct... but if you put too many in it won't be instantly recognisable as that loadout and would defeat the whole point of a specific loadout to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 I think with Brit loadouts, one of the most important bits (for instantly recognising it as British), is the weapon. Get that right and you can't go far wrong. I've come close to getting an accurate loadout but have always given up, just when I'm close to finishing it off. Link to post Share on other sites
Nickona Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Unfortunately the weapons are sometimes the hardest and most expensive things to get right. For all my modern loadouts I use my M249 so my UKSF is more SFSG. Even to get my Galil largely accurate for a SA R4 it'll cost £100 for the handguard Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Quick noob question (seeing as another forum has a thread lock on the go). IR patches. Are they considered more legit for an SAS/SBS loadout these days (roughly 2010-2012)? Edit:- just thought I'd leave a crappy pic, for criticism purposes. Link to post Share on other sites
nutster Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Quick rundown of my UKSF kit... Multicam cap, Bolle tracker 2 eye pro, Sisu mouthguard, Mtp ubacs, Crye UKSF trousers, Mechanix gloves, Berghaus boots. Paraclete SOHPC w/ BHI admin, 'BFG' style shingles, BFG dump (hidden under the double), unknown utility, mag pouch to hold radio and 2 point jerry rigged like the BHI sling. WAS battle belt w/ 'Crye' style suspenders, various WAS pouches, TAG weapons catch and Safariland for Sig w/ x200. On a normal game day I usually carry. 6 E/Pmags, 5 P226 mags, Ammo bag, Speedloader, Water, Sweets Link to post Share on other sites
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