kojak Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 The pricing makes lots of sense if you're hoping for a jackpot government order. Link to post Share on other sites
Lone_Bullet Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 I can understand that the military service of whatever country will always demand the best. Yet from an environmental point of view, this is pure waste, and from a financial point of view is puts more pressure on the taxpayers. Now, don't go flaming on me, I DO realise life depends on these investments, but a year seems so extremely short! Out of curiosity, what's happening with the 'old' equipment? Don't tell me it gets destroyed! Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 None of this has actually been adopted by anyone yet. Standard issue PCs and pouches for most nations general infantry are still made of the tough stuff. Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Lone bullet, despite what you think the military demands the best and pays for the cheapest. And yes all the nice kit issued to guys who get it taken away gets destroyed and this is everything from pouches to optics, some makes it to surplus auctions. Ck the plate frame is already in use according to S&S, and while it has some proprietary pouches it is supposed to accept molle in "most" traditional locations. It wouldn't surprise me if first Spear's stuff is in use as well. Do remember most of S&S stuff i based on items made under contract. As for Crye's airlite I'll hold off final opinions until some officially clarifies the material it's made out of, if it's the stuff used for the JPC shoulder straps it's destined for failure. Link to post Share on other sites
Agent Hunk Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Aren't a lot of the new lightweight items using the same laser cut material as the JPC? Certainly looks and feels the same. I have a few 500d things but continue to opt for 1000D when its an option. As an airsofter I don't need to shave ounces from my rig. Plate frame actually looks pretty cool though. Link to post Share on other sites
jimmythetool Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Crye @ Shot Show 2012; only they could make me want to buy half a coat. http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/01/20/video-crye-precision-booth-tour/ Link to post Share on other sites
Roecar Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 The pricing makes lots of sense if you're hoping for a jackpot government order. FYI the cost for selling this gear isn't to make a killing off of the buyers or contracts its a mix between the cost of production, R&D, and the cost of doing business. I can tell you from personal experience from the civilian and defense soft-sided manufacturing business that production is NOT cheap. Easily a quater to a third of the MSRP the cost of production. The remaining cost is split between distributor costs, contractual agreements, shipping, and profits. Unless you are part of a major conglomerate like Eagle Ind. the little guy essentially lives off of sales of individual items on a case-by-case scenario. I wouldn't bash vendors for how much their products are, they price it simply to survive... On the topic of the gear, I like it and appreciate the innovative features. This all reminds me the time around the late 90s and 9/11 when an explosion in the demand for gear laid the groundwork for the designs of all the gear we use now. As for the quality of 500D, I still use some of my 500D stuff even though its 2-3 years old. I use it between airsoft, weekly trips to the range, training events, and abuse from research purposes at work. 500D is good, 1000D is better. I'm happy for using both. Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 I'm not bashing anyone; you'd be a fool not to set an inflated MSRP if there's a chance that some agency will buy all you can make. The little guy can always buy things at a deep discount later on. Link to post Share on other sites
Shardik Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Anything from 215gear? I hear they are so in right now... Yeah I bet they will! Just not for fat, thin, homosexual, airsofting geeks... Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 FYI the cost for selling this gear isn't to make a killing off of the buyers or contracts its a mix between the cost of production, R&D, and the cost of doing business. In some cases yes, in some cases MSRP is often 100% over wholesale cost, and wholesale cost is even over production costs. Some Companies have "pro-deals" which is a discounted cost, usually somewhere around production cost, designed as an incentive for retailers to try products in order to get them to sell them better. Inov-8s pro deals for example are some of the best I've ever seen, does that mean the product isn't worth MSRP, no it certainly is, but it means that profit needs to be made by the manufacturer and the retailer, otherwise there is no reason for the retailer to sell the product. 500D is good, 1000D is better. I'm happy for using both. But you see the actuality for most people including those who are active Mil is "500D is good, 1000D is overkill" I have 1000D kit from 2006 that has seen 5 deployments (friends who borrowed stuff) and looks brand new. Even for some it's "330D is good, 500d is too heavy". Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 That was fast: From EBB's home page. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted February 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 They permanently moulded the plates in? lol. Not much use in a skirmish, handy prop item for impressions I suppose, given the price of the real thing. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Heh, 23rd of July last year assuming the date is correct on the camera. They have some pretty good spies Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 I just noticed that--"plastic plate cannot be changed"--but I think they just mean don't try to stick real ones in the thing. Making it all one piece would be too expensive. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted February 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Hard to judge with engrish. MY first guess was that they might have just used a rigid material for the plate carrying sections, though that then begs the question of how they got the fake plate in there in the first place. Glued in maybe? You may well be right, I'd just be somewhat surprised if EBB had suddenly started issuing warnings against using their gear in the real world. Link to post Share on other sites
ratboy44 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 liking this "technology" however to fit the pouches am i right in assuming its done with cover off the armour? allowing access to the rear to fit the tabs? Link to post Share on other sites
sigma3 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Are there a lot of actual documented failures on the JPC? Link to post Share on other sites
Touchette Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Sigma, I haven't see actual figures or read any direct account from someone who's personally experienced the failure (only 2nd hand or worse), but there have been enough failures for people across the interwebs to get up in arms about it. I would bet that FrogFish has some actual figures he could reference. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 liking this "technology" however to fit the pouches am i right in assuming its done with cover off the armour? allowing access to the rear to fit the tabs? With the First Spear stuff? Yes, you can access the rear of the mounting area to facilitate attaching the 6/12 pouches. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted June 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 Alright guys. Now that I'm at a stage where I've got enough of this new lightweight gear to have a complete PC and belt rig setup, I thought I'd see what sort of actual weight savings we'd be looking at in the real world with a quick comparison video. Obviously there's been a lot of claims by the manufacturers about the sorts of percentages of the weight we can cut from our LBE using this new technology, but how much of a difference does it really make once you've bought a set of gear you like and put it all together? I dug out the kitchen scales to have a look. [media=] [/media] Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted June 27, 2012 Report Share Posted June 27, 2012 I would bet that FrogFish has some actual figures he could reference. I sent a few back to Crye that were replaced propmtly, and I've seen a whole stack getting the straps replaced at Vel-Tye. but that was january of this year.... Link to post Share on other sites
sigma3 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 So in other words you're saying it's a problem that has been corrected now? Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Dunno have been a little out of the loop for the past few months. Link to post Share on other sites
Inari Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Dunno have been a little out of the loop for the past few months. Pun of the year! Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted August 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Latest headline image over at EBB: I don't see this going terribly well to be honest. I'm not sure inverse MOLLE systems will lend themselves well to chinese manufacturing standards. We shall see when TMC starts cloning Strandhoggs I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites
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