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hmm I guess this is great news for the USP users, hopup upgrade can be found really soon.

To use new hop up system with USP45,

 

Parts you have to throw away: inner barrel, hop up rubber, bearing

Parts you need: new inner barrel, thin brass plate thing(what is this called?), C-ring, new hop up rubber, metal tube outside hop up rubber.

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To use new hop up system with USP45,

 

Parts you have to throw away: inner barrel, hop up rubber, bearing

Parts you need: new inner barrel, thin brass plate thing(what is this called?), C-ring, new hop up rubber, metal tube outside hop up rubber.

 

But it is still possible, without much trouble, is it not? Especially with KWA stocking the HK45 soon, the KWA Pro Shop will have a plethroa of part to convert to the new hopup system

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So they have basically gone for a system like the Marui's?

 

Took them long enough to admit they suck and just near copy another companies idea (like Sys7, i am not buying that it is the Glock setup but based on the Marui design). :P

 

However if that is a good unit then i may chuck one in a KWA USP .45 or Compact and finally have one that can come close to the Tokyo Marui 1911s i have, have always wanted a decent USP (or a CZ75) ;)

 

'FireKnife'

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Inner barrel is the same.

Yes they are different.

I have USP45 match system7 and MK23 system7. Inner barrel of these two don't have C-ring slot.

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So they have basically gone for a system like the Marui's?

 

Took them long enough to admit they suck and just near copy another companies idea (like Sys7, i am not buying that it is the Glock setup but based on the Marui design). :P

 

However if that is a good unit then i may chuck one in a KWA USP .45 or Compact and finally have one that can come close to the Tokyo Marui 1911s i have, have always wanted a decent USP (or a CZ75) ;)

 

'FireKnife'

 

TM, TK, KSC, MARUSHIN are using modified version of MGC's Hyper-blowback engine.

WA magna blowback beat MGC Hyper blowback in 90's, That caused MGC's bankruptcy.

After MGC went bankrupt, other companies developed there own blowback system based on Hyper blowback system.

So TM,TK,KSC,Marushin GBB system is like a family.

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Wasn't the TM system developed by Tanio Koba?

Mr. Kobayashi is like Dr. Porsche in Airsoft industry. Almost all GBB system today came from his original design.

 

 

So how come TM can make it work when Maurishin etc can't? And then match it with an amazing hop up? :P

 

'FireKnife'

 

Yes TM hop up is brilliant. But not their blowback system.

KSC SYSTEM7 or WA MAGNA blowback runs 250~320g steel slide using green gas without difficult,

but TM based steel pistol are recommended to use CO2 or red gas.

 

I have owned TM 1911, MEU, G17, and HI-CAPA but i think they are too under-powered for my taste and don't kick hard enough.

After i bought USP SYSTEM7, i sold all TM pistols and replace it to KSC-RAtech steel pistols.

If you can tune KSC hop well, it is almost accurate as TM, and about 30% more powerful.

 

I think this new HOP design is easier to tune and stable than previous one.

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and about 30% more powerful.

 

Power isn't everything :P

 

And with indoor limits in the UK being 328fps TM pistols are better, plus with our countries weather a plastic slide gun and airsoft gasses are better to run, but hey whatever works ;)

 

'FireKnife'

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Power isn't everything :P

 

And with indoor limits in the UK being 328fps TM pistols are better, plus with our countries weather a plastic slide gun and airsoft gasses are better to run, but hey whatever works ;)

 

'FireKnife'

Yes that is true. That's why TM pistols are popular for many airsoft player. It gives maximum accuracy near 1j.

 

But i don't play skirmish. I normally using my pistols for dry fire or shooting cans.

TM pistols cannot penetrate cans with green gas so BBs are bounced all over the place.

But KSC system7 or WA scw3 pistols cleanly penetrate cans and provides enough accuracy for 8m can shooting.

That's why i said TM pistols are 'too under-powered for my taste'.

 

Korean airsoft game also has energy limit(0.8j) so TM pistols are popular as well.

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I know I'm going off topic but... I have a SCW3 1911 Custom. Would that run ok with a metal slide?

Of course. My friend's SCW.3 pistol even runs Prime steel slide very well. But some of internals may needed to be replaced to reinforced one.

 

Actually, some of aluminium slide are lighter than HW slide :D

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Pretty good information source:

http://kwausa.com/forums/index.php?showforum=45

 

There is a comparison somewhere linked that answers your question.

 

KWA HK45 is out in the USA. It is pretty interesting that there is still nothing about the KSC HK45 Taiwan version in Hong Kong.

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Think the Tawain versions are going to be a thing of the past thanks to Umarex.

That is correct, For H&K stuff, all that's left now are KSC Japan and Umarex.

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You know that angry face meme saying fu#uuuuuuuuuuuuuck, right? Imagine it posted a thousand times.

 

So I'd rather be waiting for Shooter's Design to bring out something...

Edited by emp3ror86

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You might be able to buy a KWA/UMAREX slide from kwausa.com. I don't know if they will ship to hungary though, and the KWA/UMAREX slides do not have the most accurate trades. If/when Shooter's Design makes a kit for it, I can recommend that company wholeheartedly, they make top-notch stuff.

-Vu

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Sorry to hear, SD makes great stuff, when they actually make it. I want a regular USP TACTICAL S7/NS2 slide so badly (No AFSOC logo on the slide since it will clash and offend my USMC sensibilities) and a Phase II Mk23 slide/barrel kit!

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SD finally made an aftermarket slide and barrel kit which means my HK45 is going to be revived soon.

 

It is available in black, silver and titanium. The last one looks really interesting, if you check out KWA USA forums you can see it installed: http://kwausa.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10058

 

Sadly I already ordered a Creation aluminium outer barrel which I am going to have to sell.

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