Catchv22 Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Personally, I would go with spring. Semi automatic isn't needed and gas just drives the price up. For 1J, simple springer type internals are all yuo really need. Good luck on your project and keep us updated with how it's going. Link to post Share on other sites
doc_newstead Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 I've got some pics of it in a magazine, though they're all in b&w. If you want them, lemme know. A brief history of the gun is there too. Link to post Share on other sites
bullzebub Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Personally, I would go with spring. Semi automatic isn't needed and gas just drives the price up. For 1J, simple springer type internals are all yuo really need. Good luck on your project and keep us updated with how it's going. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> are you talking about spring _pistols_? then you are aware that this would limit barrel lenght to about the lenght in the pistol ... that would just be silly ... but if you where talking about rifles ... then im with you ... Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted April 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Bullzebub i have no idea what you just said lol. Any chance you could clarify please? Doc- yeah id love those pics please that would be great. Cheers Catchv22- ive just got myself a digital camera so once its built i'll put it in the projects section probably mate. I think a lot of the metalwork will either be scrounged off mates with metal work shops or done by an engineer. The best tools i have myself are a hammer and a glue gun- what more could a real man need? Anyone know where to get either a UHC or TM springer HG colt .45 from please in the UK? cheers Ian Link to post Share on other sites
Catchv22 Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Good point about the springer internals. Seeing how this is a custom job though, the internals can be modified and need to be modified anyway. He's saying with a spring pistol internal (piston/cylinder) it may not be able to propell the BB very far. However, with modifications, I think it could be fixed. You're making full metal internals anyway. I'd suggest making a plastic version out of the springer internals first and see how it goes before making metal internals so you can make improvements upon it. Link to post Share on other sites
bullzebub Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 to get most out of gun the cylinder volume must be equal to barrel volume. that means with a cylinder from a spring pistol , you could not have a AEG barrel ... Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted April 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Oh so i need to consider building a cylinder of a bigger volume in metal? Hmm sounds right but everything depends on everything else lol. I wont know how long the barrel is until xyz..... Link to post Share on other sites
WMH Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 The Valkyrie Arms page that Krazy L linked has a video. In it, the narrator mentoins the suppressor is 2 inches x 12 inches. So, I would think the barrel would be around the same length. I also think if you are going to the trouble of making custom bits from metal, you might not want to base this around a spring pistol. Perhaps a marushin M1 carbine would be a good base gun? Or maybe the new KJW M700! Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted April 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Well the spring pistol is just to see how it works. My plan is to: Get a custom barrel made first.....then i know the right length. Buy a colt .45 springer mag to use in it. The parts i could pretty much rip out of any springer to measure up, then get built to the right size. Buy a 1Joule spring. Work out the bolt action mechanism and get it made. Get the cosmetic parts of the rifle made. Link to post Share on other sites
HardCoil Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 How about using a broomhandle mauser as the core? The mag would be in the right place then. Link to post Share on other sites
Unlimited Ammo Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Good point, hard coil and you can get them in springer form for cheap, might be worth thinking about that Lance, then just extending the clip a little cheers Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted April 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Well after thinking about it all i need is any springer mags. So i might just buy the cheapest TM gun to see how it feeds then buy loads of colt .45 mags. Link to post Share on other sites
McMadkat Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 why not use a VSR action with a fake mag? they are fairly small guns. there is also a really good book, but very hard to get hold of. "Delisle Commando Carbine" by Ian Skennerton (I think thats how you spell it) there is two copies out there, one in the Edinburgh reference library, and one in cambridge..... I have tried many times to get this book! McM Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted April 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Lol ive read that book. Its in the libary at the royal armouries in leeds (had to ask.) I got all the pages photocopied then threw them away about a month back. *slaps himself* Id like to stay to custom internals and feed through the original way though. Link to post Share on other sites
McMadkat Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Lol ive read that book. Its in the libary at the royal armouries in leeds (had to ask.) I got all the pages photocopied then threw them away about a month back. *slaps himself* Id like to stay to custom internals and feed through the original way though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> gaaa you lucky thing! Link to post Share on other sites
WMH Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 I don't think the VSR would work well because the mag is in the wrong place, right? On the Delisle 2000, the mag well would be hanging out in space off the suppressor.. The original gun was converted from a bolt action rifle by making a special adaptor which went in place of the box mag and some bolt mods, to copy that method is probably the easiest route, since you seem really stuck on the whole correct pistol mag thing. Maybe use a WA single stack mag, that would be cool... Then if you had a WA single-stack sidearm to go with it, they could use the same mags.. Interesting also the original used a Thompson barrel.. Perhaps a spring tommy gun would be another way to start this. Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted April 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 The thompson barrel was just to get the .45 calibre. Dont VSRs have mags really far infront of the trigger though? Link to post Share on other sites
WMH Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 The thompson barrel was just to get the .45 calibre. Dont VSRs have mags really far infront of the trigger though? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's what I was talking about... Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted April 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Well i dont need a thompson i meant as whatever barrel i buy wil be 6mm Link to post Share on other sites
WMH Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Well i dont need a thompson i meant as whatever barrel i buy wil be 6mm <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, I meant we were saying the same thing on the VSR. Righto about the Thompson.. Since there is a suppressor covering it, there is no point in recreating the thompson outer barrel in there. Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted April 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Ah all is clear now. Cheers mate. Anybody know of any companies that sell nice real steel parts? Specifically after a set of No. 1 mk 111 smle woodwork and a lanchester rear sight. Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Be easier to source No4 than SMLE. Try York Guns. Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted April 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Ah cheers mate. Im going to use A no.4 butt probs becasue they are close enough, a no. 1 forend if possible - or a no.4 meets the dremel...... And the lanchester sight is close enough to a SMLE rear sight right? Just wont set it to 16oo yards lol Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted April 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Well heres the update so far: Got some awsome pictures- thanks doc and Mcmadcat and some measurements in the works. Managed to source some springer colt .45 mags for £5 a pop. Bought a glock 19 hop up unit. Buying a de lisle book with more accurate pictures in it. Sourced parts for the woodwork and other random realsteel bits and bobs. Sourced a manufacturer for a custom inner barrel and an engineer for the metal parts. My only problem now is whether the custom piston parts etc will fit in the weapon itself. If not its all over lol. Link to post Share on other sites
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