Arnie Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 On the subject of licenses Glock did pretty much what H&K are likely to do. Asia Paintball made a shall ejecting paintball Glock replica. Because they took offense to it they served the dealers and distributors in the USA hefty legal orders. This resulted in the Glock design for the US being changed radically with angular cuts being made on the slide to make it look non-Glock. As for H&K officially licensing an Airsoft replica.. it's just never going to happen as they aren't currently interested in Airsoft (unless their mindset changes suddenly). If they want to they don't have to stop the manufacture or the replica factories, they can stop import of all looky-likey gear through customs into target countries and sue any dealer/retailer they can get hold of into the poor house. Remember firearms are big business.. and sometimes the law firms that they have on retainer get bored and need to earn their keep. Trademarks and copyright issues haven't surfaced in the UK and EU yet on any large scale, but it's only a matter of time as Airsoft gets larger and more popular. Trademarks will become a big issue at some point in the future. On the subject of the Marui M14, the last whispers I heard about it are that TM have little intention of producing the AEG and merely announced the new model to spite other M14 projects that were around at the time. 'tis a funny old world. Link to post Share on other sites
unimatrix001 Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 I've heard from a reliable source that H&K would theoreticaly offer licences for replicas/training weapons but they currently see no product and manufacturer that meet their high quality requirements. I've no idea what kind of "high quality" they expect if products like a KSC USP Compact GBB e.g. are not good enough for licenced trademarks. Link to post Share on other sites
Arnie Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 I guess under H&K terminology they are looking for something built to the same quality and standards as the real H&K product. ..we'd best all start growing mould in our G36 scope sights then. Link to post Share on other sites
richie_j Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 they should do what armalite and systema did...get together and HELP the airsoft company to do lisenced replica. Link to post Share on other sites
unimatrix001 Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Armalite and Systema? I think you mean Armalite and Classic Army. And even that's not completely correct. ASG Denmark licenced the Armalite trades and then ASG starts a cooperation with Classic Army to improve their products. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Hmm... the mag capacity of 110 rounds is a bit small, isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites
Megalomaniac Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Hmm... the mag capacity of 110 rounds is a bit small, isn't it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 110 small? If thats its standard (as in non-highcap) magazine thats pretty damned good. Marui AEGs hold 68rds. Link to post Share on other sites
Phoenix Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 only the m4 mags. Mmmmm, g3. Link to post Share on other sites
flipsnip Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 would be a real shame if the star ump didn't have trades thou. think id buy it either way. Link to post Share on other sites
andthestoryends Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 its funny how many people say that they are going to buy one, but when you look at the bottom line I wonder how many are going to be willing to dole out enough money for a new gun on an upgrade that effectively does nothing. I also wonder what will happen to all the empty G36 shells. Link to post Share on other sites
Megalomaniac Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 its funny how many people say that they are going to buy one, but when you look at the bottom line I wonder how many are going to be willing to dole out enough money for a new gun on an upgrade that effectively does nothing. I also wonder what will happen to all the empty G36 shells. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If it just needs gearbox and thats it, why buy a full G36 just for its box? you can buy an OEM Marui Gearbox for I think 150. Link to post Share on other sites
RobbyC Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 would be a real shame if the star ump didn't have trades thou. think id buy it either way. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeh THE major fault in my opinion of this G&G M14 Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Hmm... 28,000 yen is 2,100 HKD, a G36C gearbox would be about 600-700 HKD. Plus 200-300 for the new batteries. So, this would cost me 3,000HKD to get. That's 200 pounds, or 384 USD. I love HK street prices. Link to post Share on other sites
andthestoryends Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 but still. for 400 you could buy an AEG and some nice internal upgrades, instead of a new plastic shell. I guess its all in what mind you're of. Link to post Share on other sites
MAKKOO Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 I've heard from a reliable source that H&K would theoreticaly offer licences for replicas/training weapons but they currently see no product and manufacturer that meet their high quality requirements. I've no idea what kind of "high quality" they expect if products like a KSC USP Compact GBB e.g. are not good enough for licenced trademarks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ohhh mate... I don't think so, talking with the people of HK at the "ShotShow 2005" in Las Vegas they would not even consider liscensing a replica their attitud towards airsoft is very hostile. Anyway is not that I spoke with HK Chairman, their VP or something like that... I just speak with their custumer service and the people that takes care of the Gun Dealers. Can you mention your source?. At least we should be glad they are not the rule but the exception to the rule and companies like FN, Armalite, Colt, ZM and so many other are not afraid to give liscenses to airsoft companies. This are some of my pics of HK booth at the ShotShow 05 in Las Vegas... the quality of the pics is horrible and make not justice to some of the guns that we all know... but anyway here they are... Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 ooo Is that a UMC? you know, the UMP with a longer barrel, semi-auto only and a 10 round mag? Link to post Share on other sites
unimatrix001 Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Ohhh mate... I don't think so, talking with the people of HK at the "ShotShow 2005" in Las Vegas they would not even consider liscensing a replica their attitud towards airsoft is very hostile. Anyway is not that I spoke with HK Chairman, their VP or something like that... I just speak with their custumer service and the people that takes care of the Gun Dealers. Can you mention your source?. Well known German Dealer with contacts to H&Ks patent lawyers. We've many problems in Germany for H&K Replicas, not only for the trademarks also if they're marked with german weapon proof signs like the HurricanE HKM4 Body e.g. (that's falsification of documents in our law), so they have intensive contact. I trust this source uncompromising. ooo Is that a UMC? you know, the UMP with a longer barrel, semi-auto only and a 10 round mag? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> UMC? I think you mean USC http://www.hkpro.com/usc.htm But I only see a silenced UMP at MAKKOOs Pictures. Link to post Share on other sites
kronic Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 You do realise that pretty much every HK retailer will sell the UMP as a full gun, for about $190 more than the kit, with a 1J upgrade, & most likely *semi full systema parts. *semi full meaning: -Gears, piston head, nozzle, spring and metal bushings are upgraded Link to post Share on other sites
flipsnip Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 and for those of us who want an easy life - pre installed and upgraded would be ideal! canne wait! Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Since the Kit itself is about $250USD, that would be silly. Oh, you mean for people in the USA. Hong Kong will be much cheaper. Link to post Share on other sites
kronic Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 ^^^ EH? I'm talking about HK retailers. It doesn't matter how much the kits costs, whether its $250 or $25.00, with pre fitted & upgreaded internals it will be about $190 on top of the kit. So say the kit is $250, it'll be around $440, for the complete gun with upgraded internals. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 I'm talking about HK street shops. Believe it or not, retailers like Redwolf up the prices on thier guns. I can get a Brand New TM G36C for 100 pounds in HK street shops, but Redwolf sells them for 120 pounds. It's all a matter of where you shop. Link to post Share on other sites
kronic Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Yes, i know that. Just not all of us live in HK, so we have to buy from online retailers. The part where you said "Ah for people in the US", is what threw me. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 Sorry, sorry. I dunno what to do. Save up for one of these? Or get a Gspec? I have a friend who runs an airsoft shop who is offering me a Brand New VSR10 Gspec, upgraded to something I can't say here all for 100 pounds. But I REALLY want this UMP. Bum clouds. Link to post Share on other sites
Megalomaniac Posted February 16, 2005 Report Share Posted February 16, 2005 I have to differ but I think this is a complete AEG since STAR is listing it on there site under the AEGs section not the Kits section. Link to post Share on other sites
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