happy.al Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Check out the new models COMING SOON at the end http://www.youtube.com/user/daytonagasblowback Justines Website will be http://www.daytonagun.com Not currenly live Taken from http://classicairsoft.org/forum/viewtopic....f=2&t=11060 Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 HOLY CANNOLI AN FNC!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 you mean "HOLY CANNOLI A $5,000,000 FNC!!!!" its all limited production. cept his AKs. Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 His AKs are limited production, the receivers are all stamped xx/20.... I've commissioned him to do one ofs for me before, and I'm not to concerned about his price as they usually never go over $1,600, his work is worth it. I also can't wait for my M249's new gearbox. I've just never seen his FNC or FAL. Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 woah! GBB SLR! that would be win. i wonder if he'll start doing drop in kits for AKs and AR15s as well. obviously they wont be as good as the proper systems but i'm sure he'd get loads of interest from people who want to give classics a try but want a system that they can swap between guns and that wont cost the earth and require permanent mods. remember how much interest that escort mechbox prototype got? it'd certainly be a wise move IMO, i'm sure anyone that could afford a proper conversion would pay for one over the drop in, while the drop in would cater for those slightly less well off. Link to post Share on other sites
planeman Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 That M733 is mine Mike Link to post Share on other sites
ErikBobbo Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 He told me 900USD + donor for an AK, so quality costs... Link to post Share on other sites
alexishere2008 Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 I'm going to get a GBB custom done by him. Good stuff worth the money. Link to post Share on other sites
harborne blue Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Guess it depends how excited you get about backwards evolution but external power sources? No thanks! They've really missed the boat with the AK as well - there's an excellent Kalash conversion kit been around for some time. Not for me - I'll wait for the next gen from WE etc. with all the bugs ironed out. Link to post Share on other sites
Panzergraf Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Well his AK's have been out longer than the GHK kit, FYI. I've got a 416 on his worktable, it's gonna be sweet getting it when it's done IMHO, external > Gas In Mag, any day. Link to post Share on other sites
happy.al Posted March 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Guess it depends how excited you get about backwards evolution but external power sources? No thanks! They've really missed the boat with the AK as well - there's an excellent Kalash conversion kit been around for some time. Not for me - I'll wait for the next gen from WE etc. with all the bugs ironed out. External Gas isn't for everyone, especially when it costs this type of money. If anyone liked the same thing it would be a very boring world. It’s well worth it for me, and looking around some others too, and isn’t it nice to see new stuff being brought out, even if it doesn’t really interest you? Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 They've really missed the boat with the AK as well - there's an excellent Kalash conversion kit been around for some time. so having a hard kicking, reliable AK with no cooldown is missing the boat? this came out before the GHK, which is very flawed, suffers from all the usual GBB problems and has proprietary mags with a low capacity (not an issue for me, but a turn off for some) and that cost the earth to have a full setup. Link to post Share on other sites
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frogfish Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 External air has so many advantages over in the mag/in the weapon systems it's not even funny. Most (Escort based) GBB classics are built solidly, use cheap AEG mags, have NO cooldown, can run on HPA in below freezing temps, which means you get even more shots/gas than greengas/whatever funky smelling combustible fuel you want to call it. Plus even weak GBB classics would beat the socks off of an in the mags' recoil. The only drawback that people complain about is the external rig, and it's usually one of two things. First "I don't have anywhere to put it" simple solution, your carrying to much *suitcase* lighten the load anyway. Second "I can't ditch my weapon when I want to because I'm attached to it" well if your an idiot and permanently attached your rig to your weapon, that's your fault, but for all of us who actually read you can use quick detach fittings that are common and cheap, and then using the rig is NO DIFFERENT THAN WEARING A SLING. Seriously the only valid argument against them is that parts can be hard to come by, but then again these parts just don't break that often to worry about it, and all use standard O-ring sizes that you can pick up at the local hardware store. Personally I would prefer someone furthering the BV system and LRBs as those truly preform, I mean we're talking ridiculous fps sniper rifle performance at CQB safe velocities, and ROF so fast it'd give most support weapons a run for their money. But mags can be hard to come by (not really if you know where to look) and parts can be hard to find (if they break, and again uses standard size O-rings). Link to post Share on other sites
KTcerberus Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 I commissioned him to build the XM110 in the video, and yeah $5000 is a big exaggeration. Final price on the XM110 was around 1700USD. Classics win over gas-in-mag guns any day. Link to post Share on other sites
kken Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 let's keep this on topic and stay away from external/GIM jihads. either you have jesus in your heart or you don't. anyone else but me notice that bizon? man i am hoping to get my CA XM177 converted to escort this year... i'm going back to gas. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 I'm a little annoyed that he uses low end guns as a base. The Kalash AK has a good body, I like it actually The A&K support weapons are considerable cheaper than alternatives, so I'll give that a pass. But I see him using a lot of DBoys M4's as bases. To me that's just uninviting. He's getting these things much cheaper in HK, an extra $150 to use G&P's would be more inviting. I know he can mod whatever I'd want to send to him, but having the completed product available to purchase would win over more people. Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 He's not in it for mass production so it dosen't make sense to have replicas available in stock when the average user isn't going to drop 1k for something that isn't exactly what they wanted. This is very small scale boutique shop not like G&P, his stuff isn't for everyone, it is for those who like it and can afford it. He uses D-boys replicas as we are all cheap, not everyone want's to spend the extra $150 when they are already spending 1k. If you want something better it's available, but you have to make up the difference in price. But you've already stated that you knew that... So why are you complaining about something that is a non-issue? Link to post Share on other sites
brooklyn Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 oh my god,all the guns look pretty grate Link to post Share on other sites
ThaFlash Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 But you've already stated that you knew that... So why are you complaining about something that is a non-issue? Because I would think that when you're offering a product at $1500 another $100-$200 is not a killer, especially when the difference in quality is going to be very noticeable. It's just that, with all the options available, I just don't get why a DBoys M4 to start. And the conversion market is a very different market, people who know what it's all about, people who have paid the money before to have parts machined are going to be much more particular. I saw this a being an effort to attract those who are willing to pay more for something cool, but would want it high end all around. For example, if I were to want one, I'd want something that would be great out of the box and all around. If I had to go out of my way just to get a good shell, it could dissuade me. But my though is based on the idea that this is an attempt to go more mainstream. If it's not, then whatever; everything I have said is a non-issue. Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Well from my experience working with DG he orders the AEG when you decide to get it converted, and at that point you can choose pretty much what you want. Some people are particular, and some people not so much. You'd be surprised that some people would spend $1k but not $1200... For example I have had a bunch of $1k offers on my DG/Escort/AS4l SP but no one is willing to meet me in the middle ground from my $1200 asking price at $1100, I'm in no rush to sell my SP so I'll just hold out for someone who is willing to spend that extra little bit. Link to post Share on other sites
AustinWolv Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 an extra $150 to use G&P's would be more inviting. He offers exactly that. He builds off the body kit you tell him to, it is not limited to DBOYS and that is the ONLY choice. The A&K support weapons are considerable cheaper than alternatives, so I'll give that a pass. Buy drop-in kit. Put it in CA249. Done. Worrying about the A&K body isn't anything to be worried about since that isn't the only way to get it. I just don't get why a DBoys M4 to start. So that he isn't paying out the nose to build a gun that might not sell right away? His money is going into it, so the builds he's doing that aren't already paid for come out of his pocket; thus, cheaper option is probably better for him. And he isn't charging $1500 for a DBOYs-base M$ GBB. $850 shipped. If a person was to email him and say they wanted a high-end body kit, he'd build it for them that way. As frog said, non-issue. Nitpicking to nitpick. And the conversion market is a very different market, people who know what it's all about, people who have paid the money before to have parts machined are going to be much more particu It used to be that way. It isn't anymore. People expect lower prices these days because the bar has been lowered, regardless of conversions or regular AEGs or custom builds, because of the clone market/influence. If I had to go out of my way just to get a good shell Emailing him to say what body kit you want hopefully isn't too much of a burden on a buyer. God forbid that person might have to really stretch their effort to login to the forums here to read something, actually get some accurate information and price numbers, or even login to Paypal at some point to actually buy the product. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 the other problem with having the standard advertised model as a G&P etc is the unrealsitic reduction some folks might then expect to get it in a dboys/Jg etc "Wow I see you're doign a G&P M4 for 1050 dollars Now could you do me one based on a dboys for ohh 500 bucks" the one thing he does need to improve on is repies to PMs - hes quick enough providing an email adress to paypal him cash to but thus far Ive not been impressed at the lack of any replies to simple yes/no questions on PMs that I can see full well he's received While I personally tend to just PM once on a subject (and if I get no reply try a follow up a week or two later then draw my own conclusions), it does tend to be a sure-fire recipe for getting yourself an inbox groaning with 'not sure if you got my message but..' resends and questions on forums as to wether you've shuffled off this mortal coil. Which I wouldnt say is particularly productive. Link to post Share on other sites
AustinWolv Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Note that he's better on email than on PMs. Typically, if you look at his schedule pattern, he'll answer most efficiently between Thursday and Sunday (based on US calendar).....I think because of work and school. But yeah, I hear ya. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 cheers for that I'll give him a week or two and then try emails dont want to come across as being harsh on him - more a constructive criticism - Just seen folks in small start ups not get a full handle on it early on and ending up with what can only be described as email phobia by time the orders are coming in full swing. Link to post Share on other sites
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