Crazy_Harry Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 yeah, tony did so much for the country- abolishing those pesky student grants, chronic and deliberate attempts to outsource the NHS, essentially continuing the thatcherite policies of privatise, privatise, privatise but with the added veneer of chucking money at show piece things so he can trawl out statistics to show just how much he's got done... yeah. Take a trip down your average inner-city school or estate, and tell me where all these achievements are. and don't even get me started on the foot and mouth disaster. but hey, you're right. he was better than the tories. What does that say about THAT shower of bar stewards? Link to post Share on other sites
GuzziHero Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 a fair system of education and healthcare for as many people as possible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There is no emoticon that can truly display the ridiculousness of this statement. Thats why the hospital near me is laying of nurses when they are desperate for more (not to mention that the MRSA rate in NSRI is the highest in the country). Nurses are qualifying to find no jobs so are sodding off to Australia. Average class sizes are bigger than ever thanks to a shortage of teachers. Stoke-on-Trent is averaging 33. The ambulance service is fighting a desperate battle to prevent itself being regionalised. The men on the ground say that lives WILL be lost if regionalisation is brought in. Hospital and food catering services are close to collapse. You, Sir, are a buffoon. Link to post Share on other sites
Octopus Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 In The Sun it has a brief article for Jeremy Clarkson tomorrow saying that on the 1st July Great Britain officially becomes a facist state. Whats that about? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My question again - anybody know whats so significant about the 1st of July? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> July the 1st is when the Smoking ban starts in England, bringing it into line with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Clarkson is a 40 a day man, you see... Link to post Share on other sites
psg1sniperdude Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I've given up on current affairs. It's all the same these days. Link to post Share on other sites
alastairthegreat Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 my point is that compared to 97 most people are better off, and i dont just mean financially i mean that more people have a higher standard of living in general there will allways be problems with any government its how they deal with them that matters, and in my opinioon labout has dealt with them on the whole a darn sight better than the tories would have Link to post Share on other sites
GuzziHero Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 my point is that compared to 97 most people are better off, and i dont just mean financially i mean that more people have a higher standard of living in general there will allways be problems with any government its how they deal with them that matters, and in my opinioon labout has dealt with them on the whole a darn sight better than the tories would have <{POST_SNAPBACK}> By looting the nation, caving in to the EEC, allowing a record number of illegal immigrants (hey, I got no problem with immigration but there has to be jobs to come into...and there are too many coming in purely to benefit off our welfare system), privatising more public services (privatising public services NEVER works), lowering education standards, letting hospitals schools and emergency services run on pathetic budgets... Yeh, theyve done a great job. We'd have been better off with the Natural Law party. Once you get over the yogic flying thing, they had a decent manifesto... Link to post Share on other sites
alastairthegreat Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 welcome to teh internets where everyone can do a better job than whoever's in charge as i said thats my opinion, its based on personal experiance and from talking to people and reading about such things, your welcome to you own opinion Link to post Share on other sites
finderella1 Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 By looting the nation, caving in to the EEC, allowing a record number of illegal immigrants (hey, I got no problem with immigration but there has to be jobs to come into...and there are too many coming in purely to benefit off our welfare system), privatising more public services (privatising public services NEVER works), lowering education standards, letting hospitals schools and emergency services run on pathetic budgets... Yeh, theyve done a great job. We'd have been better off with the Natural Law party. Once you get over the yogic flying thing, they had a decent manifesto... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Take a look at the level of unemployment. It has continuously been lower than under the tories and ever decreasing despite the record numbers of legal and illegal immigrants, your point about there not being enough jobs for them to come into is absolute nonsense. As for "letting hospitals schools and emergency services run on pathetic budgets," my mum is a teacher and she will tell you that the improvements in the education system over the last 10 years have been amazing. She will also be distraught if the tories get back into power as they will most tear the last 10 years of improvements to pieces. Link to post Share on other sites
alastairthegreat Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Take a look at the level of unemployment. It has continuously been lower than under the tories and ever decreasing despite the record numbers of legal and illegal immigrants, your point about there not being enough jobs for them to come into is absolute nonsense. As for "letting hospitals schools and emergency services run on pathetic budgets," my mum is a teacher and she will tell you that the improvements in the education system over the last 10 years have been amazing. She will also be distraught if the tories get back into power as they will most tear the last 10 years of improvements to pieces. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QFT Link to post Share on other sites
Sledge Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 I guess you don't know that, when people are on all these wonderful back to work courses, they don't count as unemployed? Oh, and your graph shows unemployment starting to drop five years before Labour got into power. So that opens up the possibilities that Labour are just continuing Tory policies (as is often said), or even that a drop in unemployment would have happened regardless of who was in power. Link to post Share on other sites
finderella1 Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 I guess you don't know that, when people are on all these wonderful back to work courses, they don't count as unemployed? Oh, and your graph shows unemployment starting to drop five years before Labour got into power. So that opens up the possibilities that Labour are just continuing Tory policies (as is often said), or even that a drop in unemployment would have happened regardless of who was in power. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its true that unemployment was falling under the tories. However the point is that it has continued to fall despite increased immigration, legal or otherwise. If it had shown any sign of increasing, there would perhaps be justification for an arguement against immigration. If you read my post, you'll see that I never tried to claim anything about the effectiveness of labour vs anyone else in terms of maintaining full employment. As for back to work schemes, the number of people seeking work but not eligble for benefit, the people that you describe, has also fallen. If i can find a nice graph ill post it here later Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pearson Posted May 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Nothing to do with the Blair lot fiddling the statistics then, eh? Remember, you're only classed as unemployed if you HAVEN'T got a job and are claiming dole. It isn't uncommon for the red tape brigade to shuffle people on to other benefits so as to take them off the unemployed books. If you were to tally up everyone that hasn't got a job, whether they're on the dole and or claiming other benefits that aren't used to calculate unemployment, you're talking millions. It's a giant State engineered CON. Link to post Share on other sites
twiglet Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Besides just because someone else was ###### dosent automatically mean you were great because you werent quite as ###### a the last lot were and i wish people would stop using that excuse for blair, he has had ten very long years to sort problems out and all hes done is introduce more. Link to post Share on other sites
Ubar Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Nothing to do with the Blair lot fiddling the statistics then, eh? Remember, you're only classed as unemployed if you HAVEN'T got a job and are claiming dole. It isn't uncommon for the red tape brigade to shuffle people on to other benefits so as to take them off the unemployed books. If you were to tally up everyone that hasn't got a job, whether they're on the dole and or claiming other benefits that aren't used to calculate unemployment, you're talking millions. It's a giant State engineered CON. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> someone fetch my tin foil hat Link to post Share on other sites
Lance Jackass Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 What worries me most now is that people of this country will look to more radical forms of government. At the minute theres a lot of anti-immigrant feeling, a need for nationalism, a need to get this country's industry kick started again etc. I don't want to sound daft, but if you look back over history, those factors haven't made for the best of European governments... Link to post Share on other sites
finderella1 Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Nothing to do with the Blair lot fiddling the statistics then, eh? Remember, you're only classed as unemployed if you HAVEN'T got a job and are claiming dole. It isn't uncommon for the red tape brigade to shuffle people on to other benefits so as to take them off the unemployed books. If you were to tally up everyone that hasn't got a job, whether they're on the dole and or claiming other benefits that aren't used to calculate unemployment, you're talking millions. It's a giant State engineered CON. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> As I've said above, this isn't the case. Here is a graph of percentage employment. Percentage of people with jobs has gone up. But I'm sure theres another conspiracy theory to explain this What worries me most now is that people of this country will look to more radical forms of government. At the minute theres a lot of anti-immigrant feeling, a need for nationalism, a need to get this country's industry kick started again etc. I don't want to sound daft, but if you look back over history, those factors haven't made for the best of European governments... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Historically times of economic hardship are what gives rise to extreme politics. With all parties moving more and more towards the political centre, and decade without any severe economic downturns, its safe to say political moderacy will continue to dominate for the time being. Link to post Share on other sites
alastairthegreat Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 What worries me most now is that people of this country will look to more radical forms of government. At the minute theres a lot of anti-immigrant feeling, a need for nationalism, a need to get this country's industry kick started again etc. I don't want to sound daft, but if you look back over history, those factors haven't made for the best of European governments... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> thats exactly the problem, if the BNP could get people who dont vote to vote for them then we could end up with a devoutly racist government very soon... they have allready got seats on local councils and a suprising amount of support. anyone else notice the similarities between Nick Griffin and Hitler?? noth sent to prison, used it as a publicity stunt etc... the thing is though in history for an extremist government to get in there needs to be some form of trigger, a large terrorist attack in the Uk or an ecenomic reccesion might do it, scary Link to post Share on other sites
Cyber Soldier Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 someone fetch my tin foil hat <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Here, you can borrow mine. Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 thats exactly the problem, if the BNP could get people who dont vote to vote for them then we could end up with a devoutly racist government very soon... they have allready got seats on local councils and a suprising amount of support. anyone else notice the similarities between Nick Griffin and Hitler?? noth sent to prison, used it as a publicity stunt etc... the thing is though in history for an extremist government to get in there needs to be some form of trigger, a large terrorist attack in the Uk or an ecenomic reccesion might do it, scary <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There is not alot of chance of the BNP getting in, please don't make statements like that, think how weak the lib dems are, and compare them to BNP. Link to post Share on other sites
alastairthegreat Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 There is not alot of chance of the BNP getting in, please don't make statements like that, think how weak the lib dems are, and compare them to BNP. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> before the depression, they were very weak: march 1928 12 seats after the depression they wernt: july 1932 230 seats ali Link to post Share on other sites
GuzziHero Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Forget the election - this is all that matters: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=...y+blair+failure Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 before the depression, they were very weak: march 1928 12 seats after the depression they wernt: july 1932 230 seats ali <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah but we live in a different time now, have you got statistics for seats gained during the recesses in the 70's? I'm willing to bet they are not as high as those. Link to post Share on other sites
alastairthegreat Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Yeah but we live in a different time now, have you got statistics for seats gained during the recesses in the 70's? I'm willing to bet they are not as high as those. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> becouse it wasnt as "big" a recession, dont presume that becouse it happend 70 years ago it cant happen now, that mistakes been made countless times allready Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 I'm not saying its impossible, just that its so unlikely, you'd be better of worring about a nuclear weapon in London or something. Also, just because it happened 70 years ago doesn't mean it will happen again. Link to post Share on other sites
alastairthegreat Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 no its happend all throughout history and every nation allways believes that it wont happen to them Link to post Share on other sites
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