Noveske Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 I just got mine today! Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 I just got mine today! Did you get any programming cable and software with it? What frequencies is it set to? Link to post Share on other sites
RWJP Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Who actually uses these? They look pretty cool. Much cheaper than the functional MBITR replica. USMC as already said, and just about the entirety of the British Army. Link to post Share on other sites
Noveske Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Did you get any programming cable and software with it? What frequencies is it set to? No it doesn't come with a programming cable nor software. I don't see a serial bus on it either. Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 No it doesn't come with a programming cable nor software. I don't see a serial bus on it either. OK. Thanks. Radio would not have a serial i/f in any case- Programming cables would plug in to the headset socket. Link to post Share on other sites
galactica Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Noveske, what power does it claim to have? It would be illegal to use it in the UK as shipped. The band it is using is allocated to fixed business radio licences, and a there's a "Home Office" freq allocated in there too. This used to be a euphemism for security service use. Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Noveske, what power does it claim to have? It would be illegal to use it in the UK as shipped. The band it is using is allocated to fixed business radio licences, and a there's a "Home Office" freq allocated in there too. This used to be a euphemism for security service use. Do you know what frequencies are allocated to each channel then? How do you know what band the radios are in? stating 440mhz does'nt mean much until we have more information. I have one user saying the channels are set with 446mhz range. Best wait until we get more facts about these radios- we are all guessing and conjecturing based, well nothing really! Link to post Share on other sites
galactica Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 erm.... this was published on the previous page of this thread. I reproduce it here to save you a mouse click. Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Yep. I did see that but it seems the radios are set with different frequencies depending who you buy them from. I have one account where they are set to between 440 and 470Mhz. It may well be region specific in the way that TS and Red Dragon MBITR radios are set. Link to post Share on other sites
galactica Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 between 440 and 470mhz is thousands upon thousands of channels. Of all of them, the only ones legal to use this radio in unlicensed are the 8 6.25khz spaced channels from 446.0 to 446.1, and even then only if it's 0.5w. The above example is using channel spacing that is wildly huge. Even if they started some UK models at 446.0, using the same methodology they'd be out of the PMR band by channel 2. Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 That;'s not quite how it works. Radios capable of operating between 440 and 446MHz and supporting the right channel spacing can certainly be preset with 8 channels in the 446mhz range with the spacing needed. I have three such radios. I'm not saying you'd get radio shipped with 8 channels ranging from 440mhz to 470 mhz. Just that the radio is capable of being factory set to operate anywhere between those two. Let's just wait until we get more info rather than sharpening the blinkers and judging the world through a very narrow margin. Link to post Share on other sites
galactica Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 I know some radios can - I have far too many that can. However, based on the available evidence, this radio does not and it's not user-programmable, so it's not really recommendable to anyone who might read this thread and just buy one expecting it to work with his mates. I am trying to urge caution before purchase at this point. It really depends if the manufacturers are prepared to produce a model that has the PMR frequencies in, in the correct spacing, with appropriate power level. In addition, it obviously doesn't have any CTCSS mobility, so even if they were to be programmed with the PMR freqs, they've have to have fixed CTCSS tones set for each channel, or you'll be listening to every user in the channel on every code as in the example shown, with no CTCSS encoding set. Link to post Share on other sites
shadownova Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Well now that some people have them, let's see some detailed pictures! Something I am curious about is the audio connector and if I can use a different headset with this radio. Link to post Share on other sites
KWP Posted October 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Well now that some people have them, let's see some detailed pictures! Something I am curious about is the audio connector and if I can use a different headset with this radio. Remark: Couldn't do a performance test, a jolly fellow forgot to buy the batteries for me. My fault anyway, that's what you get when you rely on others. Retailers in HK seem to gradually stock in this radio. Shops that have them or will have at the moment are: Global Airsoft (Online Shop), PX-Airsoft (not yet) and AMD (Walk-in shop, on display and available) More pics and details: Photo 1/2: This thing is very close to real specs. The single PTT looks and feels like the real one and it's only millimeters that prevented my real PTT from successfully docking onto the radio's main body. The com socket is the same 5-pin design as found on the real deal. Photo 2/2: According to the manual output power is 1W/3W, has a built-in scrambler and what is CTCSS/DCS? Link to post Share on other sites
Noveske Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Ah apparently it is programmable via the headset pin connector. LOL... Anyways.. some pics. You can see the tan color compared to Magpul's FDE: Link to post Share on other sites
SantaSCSI Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Is the PRR-PC cable included with the package? Damn, I hope redwolf is getting em soon. Link to post Share on other sites
shadownova Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 According to their manual they are using LEMO 5-pin connectors (if indeed it is LEMO) then they are using the exact same connector as the real PRR. Which opens up a few possibilities. Such as using my issued SORDIN headset with this radio, if the suitable connectors can be found and an adapter fashioned. For reference, these might be the connectors as used on this replica PRR. Input on radio: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/LEMO/E...QbuAT34mw%3d%3d Plug on headset: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/LEMO/F...E19ZwTJ6w%3d%3d Link to post Share on other sites
Schaap Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Damn, I hope redwolf is getting em soon. Good luck getting 1-3W PMR's through customs Link to post Share on other sites
Noveske Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Is the PRR-PC cable included with the package? Damn, I hope redwolf is getting em soon. No. Link to post Share on other sites
galactica Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 KWP, CTCSS/DCS is the tone signalling system familiar from PMR radios, though used across all radio applications. It's essentially a tone squelch. Under the signal in the inaudible band between 67hz and 220-ish Hz, there is a tone of one of these frequencies. This is used to make a receiver only open up its squelch if it hears a signal with that particular tone. This is how PMR446 only have 8 channels but seemingly hundreds of different privacy combinations. Of course, if someone on 1-23 and 1-16 are transmitting at the same time, they will not get out. It relies on short duty cycles for messages to make efficient use of the band. If as it seems it is programmable, then it may be possible to make it PMR446 compatible, if it can be tuned to the right frequency steps - but it will only have preset CTCSS codes in the channels, like a Kenwood "pro" PMR. The low output of 1w is better for PMR use, though still strictly illegal - much much preferable though with an antenna like that to someone using a 4w unit on PMR. Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Good luck getting 1-3W PMR's through customs It is not illegal to own radios that exceed power statutory output levels, it is illegal to use them so customs will not hold these radios for being specified at 1W/3W power level. These radios look absolutely fantastic. I'm definitely up for a pair of these radios as long as I can program them for UK PMR frequencies. Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 It is not illegal to own radios that exceed power statutory output levels, it is illegal to use them so customs will not hold these radios for being specified at 1W/3W power level. ......... but...... they'll still be illegal as soon as you push that transmit button Link to post Share on other sites
galactica Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 It is not illegal to own radios that exceed power statutory output levels, it is illegal to use them so customs will not hold these radios for being specified at 1W/3W power level. These radios look absolutely fantastic. I'm definitely up for a pair of these radios as long as I can program them for UK PMR frequencies. Are you well acquainted with belgian customs and their attitude to radios? Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Are you well acquainted with belgian customs and their attitude to radios? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites
Balnk Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Just waiting for a price and location of the PC programming cable and software. KWP.... any idea if they will have a DUAL PTT to intergrate a second radio into the unit? Link to post Share on other sites
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