FireKnife Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 The P99C is the biggest no ever, in fact why does it exist, it sucks. Well the P238 is shorter, but the barrel lengths are similar, holds the same amount of rounds as the PPK (or can take an extended mag to hold 7 shots), features an actual slide catch, the body is thinner, the height is the same, the trigger is easier to get at, it fires from a SA action, much easier to use once you are trained to knock the safety off and fire in one motion. It is really a functional gun, but I must admit it lacks the PPK class. As for the PPS, logically that is the natural progression, but I often speak more from the books and the classic look, finding the PPS is a bit too much like giving Bond a XDM, or something else that is essentially a fancy dressed up Glock. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Deadmeat Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 #crack ...... I think something broke deep inside me... I own both the P99 and a TM XDM and you guys are saying that neither are good enough for Bond.... #crymyselftosleep Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 The XDM? Hell to the no. Bond using a plastic bodied striker fired pistol just doesn't feel right. Even the P99 with its looks just doesn't cut it. Looking back at the books though Bond has had a good collection to go on, a Beretta 418, a PPK, a S&W Airweight, and a Colt M1911 Government for vehicle to vehicle combat or his primary combat gun when not doing the usual undercover work (the fictional 'Army Special Long Barrel' is clearly a 1911 when you read all the books). All of these have a bit of class and make sense. The new Bond just fits with the PPK or PPK/S too though, it is easy to conceal, is used as and when needed (I think people forget it is a last resort or an intimidation device, not a primary weapon) and he often uses enemy weapons, using the PPK as and when needed. Perhaps a 9mm and a bit larger gun would make sense in the modern day, but it is hardly outclassed and looks the part. But still Glocks, XDMs, M&Ps, PX4s and all these kind of suggestions are just a no. If people want Bond to have a high-capacity sidearm why not meet in the middle and go for a Bersa Thunder 380 double stack or a Beretta 84? Still nice and classic but higher capacity and the same kind of size? 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
starburst Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 You have to remember FireKnife is a traditionalist and prefers a manly metal shooter The P99 is a good looking gun and has proved to look great with Bond, I would love one along with a PPK (and a PPS but its not gonna happen). I agree that the Glock is too boring for Bond though! Deadmeat, dress in your favourite suit and get us some Bond style poses with both your P99 and your XDM and see if it gives that Bond look. Ive already given it a go with my PX4 and while it looked ok there wasnt something right about it (for this I need a P99 or preferably PPK). Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 The XDM is a defnite no. For the P99 it is really that it has actually been in a film or two, I bet if you asked someone and the P99 had never ever featured and Bond kept his PPK in Tomorrow Never Dies it would be responed to in the same way as the Glock and the other plastic strikers. The P99 is about the best looking and most comfortable replica I have ever held but it just seems like something I would expect a bad guy or a police officer to draw, not an intelligence officer (I refuse to call Bond an 'agent', as proved agent is not the correct term but a Hollywood misnomer ). 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Not pistol related, but Bond related. Saw Skyfall last night, and couldn't help but think in a few places that Bond could have done with some more appropriate footwear. Why has Q Branch never made him some high performance footwear that look like formal dress shoes? He is a field operative, and yet they're happy for him to bomb about in dangerous situations wearing leather soled shoes. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Not pistol related, but Bond related. Saw Skyfall last night, and couldn't help but think in a few places that Bond could have done with some more appropriate footwear. Why has Q Branch never made him some high performance footwear that look like formal dress shoes? He is a field operative, and yet they're happy for him to bomb about in dangerous situations wearing leather soled shoes. Because he has to look good? But then in Goldfinger he had the hidden radio emitter in his shoe and in the books he had a shoe that allowed the heel to be removed to reveal a push blade knife. I am sure if he was intentionally going to do something a bit different, like the rock climbing scene in For Your Eyes Only or the infiltration in Goldeneye (though he could have had a BDA/BDM like 006 then) he would have the correct kit. But still sometimes it is just a case of wearing what he has, not expecting to have these things happen like when you have the scenes in London, you don't think Bond thought what was going to happen did happen, so he is in his usual suit and tie then when things don't go according to plan he has to make the most of it, if he knew it was going to go badly he would have taken a P226/9 out of the armoury and a few extra mags to give himself a bit more firepower. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
starburst Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Small thread derailment http://youtu.be/byku-4Sl4zE Bond may have had a point... Link to post Share on other sites
Nasty_TheYankWelshOne Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Yeah, Casino Royale did strike me as pretty pointless.... Link to post Share on other sites
Shardik Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Indeed. Great movie though Link to post Share on other sites
Nasty_TheYankWelshOne Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Meh, debatable. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Meh, debatable. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0381061/ 7.9 so not really. It is a good film that if you can get passed the fact that it is the new generation to make it more like the classic books and earlier films it is fine . http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1074638/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 Appears Skyfall gets a very similar rating, both are still good films for what they are though. Still want to see more PPK with Bond. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Nasty_TheYankWelshOne Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I saw Casino Royale immediately before Quantum of Solace, so that probably polluted my enjoyment of the series. Maybe I just love Roger Moore too much to adapt easily to Craig Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Maybe I just love Roger Moore too much to adapt easily to Craig That is your issue then, liking the second worst mainstream Bond after Lazenby . Give Skyfall and Casino Royale another go but just miss out on Quantum of Solace as really it offers little anyway. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
AFV Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Browning high power.......it's cool!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Nasty_TheYankWelshOne Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 That is your issue then, liking the second worst mainstream Bond after Lazenby . Give Skyfall and Casino Royale another go but just miss out on Quantum of Solace as really it offers little anyway. 'FireKnife' Hey....no. I thought Skyfall was pretty good. Still a bit too dark and gritty for my tastes in Bond movies, but not a bad movie. I just want more gadgets, cause Bond without tons of gadgets to me isn't really Bond at all. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 So used to the movie Bond of the 70's and 80's then? I prefer dark and dry, like the books. And Moore is still the second worst Bond, seriously I watched Octopussy and damn was that some bad innuendo and acting . 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
sandstorm Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Inly REALLY good part of Octopussy was that Q got some... 'action' for all his troubles with 007/Moore.. I actually like Craig and Dalton AND Lazenby as Bonds. Although I might be weird in that. Got into Bond reading the Fleming books, that might colour my perceptions some. I didn't mind most of Moore's Bond, although I thought he was still playing same role as with the Templar or Persuaders roles. Conner is pretty good as well. Brosnan, though... doesn't quite fit in my taste- As for what Bond should carry? Maybe a single-stack SIG in 9mm PARA. Nicely untraceable ammo, everyone uses it in some amounts. Except maybe Chinese, and passing as Chinese would be a bit of a stretch for Bond, unless it's 'leave no witnesses' thing, when he'd better have a full Sabre from the Excalibur drawer after/with him. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Except maybe Chinese, and passing as Chinese would be a bit of a stretch for Bond, unless it's 'leave no witnesses' thing, when he'd better have a full Sabre from the Excalibur drawer after/with him. Didn't stop them from making the incredibly insensitive scene in You Only Live Twice towards Japanese people . As for handgun I would still say something like a P239. It is similar to the P226 carried by branches of the UK secret services (according to the films at least), it is single stack, 9mm, double action like the PPK and is a hefty chunk of metal in case you need Bond to knock someone out, plus it comes with a Tactical model that you can take the barrel from and then add a suppressor. To me that just fits Bond, failing that something 9mm but exotic while not being made of plastic, a mans gun is a chunk of metal that you can rely on to beat people up after it has run out. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
sandstorm Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Yeah, I keep forgetting about You Only Live Twice... At least in the book, there was more than a bit of prepwork used to mkae Bond have more than heavy makeup for disguise to explian his build and some of his features. Even if that was still pretty implausible. Wonder if FN did any single-stack, compact/sub-compact versions of the Browning... I know they did have some shorter-slide models, but I think they were all double-stack. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 As far as I know, aside from a few cut down Brownings that would be a no on the single stack front. Still I have never been a big fan of the Browning, the replicas I have held always felt a bit too squared and chunky to me but I think if they did a single stack one that would remedy it for me . As for Bond, a Browning would be too big and clunky, even if it is a classic gun and a good chunk of metal. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
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