crackisbad Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 so, I have a plan in mind as to what I want to do with one of my 1911s and it would be just so awesome if I was able to somehow make the 1911 a burst fire. Is this even possible? I know making it full auto is possible as some members have done so already but I would prefer to not go that route if at all possible. The gun in question is a TM base Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Everything is possible, but you would need to invent from scratch a mechanical counter to count the three rounds, then fit it into a gun with pretty much no spare space. Short answer, its not going to happen. sorry. Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 ... what if he invented a counter that he mounted on the outside ;-P Just kidding, but if you're mad enough to try it maybe it would resemble the full auto kit for the original Tanio Koba USP! Link to post Share on other sites
SniperNinja Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Any info on where to find diagrams of the three round counter? Yes, I am insane enough to try this... As I am buying a mill soon and building my own gun from basicly scratch and mounting this under it. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Well as the TK VP70 featured a working 3rd burst via the application of a stock it is not impossible by any stretch, however the time, money and effort required to get it working properly will be a lot. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
SniperNinja Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 I had an idea that would be pretty simple. Instead of putting it inside or on the stock, add a nub to the side of the slide that hits a 3rnd burst mech attached to the grip. The mech would cut off the sear after the 3rd rnd for a 3 rnd burst. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Everything sounds easy in concept until the real work stares you in the face. The grip may hold some space for the burst ratchet, but that's gonna need to come back in the gun to interface with the sear. Link to post Share on other sites
SniperNinja Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Nothing that can't be accomplished with a mill Link to post Share on other sites
Samm Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 And the knowledge of how to use it. Link to post Share on other sites
SniperNinja Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 And the knowledge of how to use it. Well, of course. Link to post Share on other sites
crackisbad Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Thanks for all the replies! The reason I was interested in this was because I want to put my 1911 in a HERA carbine kit. So I technically would have some spare space I could play around with due to the the kit... Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 I haven't a clue how you would apply this to a 1911 but this is how it works on the M93r. Food for thought perhaps or completely irrelevant ha ha Link to post Share on other sites
SniperNinja Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 I haven't a clue how you would apply this to a 1911 but this is how it works on the M93r. Food for thought perhaps or completely irrelevant ha ha -snip- I feel an idea coming on... To the drawing board table. Now... How am I gonna fit moar cowbell in there? Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Reckon if it was even half way possible one of the dozens of companies that make 1911 around the world would have done it by know. Link to post Share on other sites
Bane Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 there is a select-fire CZ75 which utilizes Browning designs like the 1911 and hipower... Its rare but does exist. Link to post Share on other sites
gisburn20 Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 1911 in a HERA? the only airsoft version is for a Glock, do you mean the 1911 carbine conversion , like the one on EBairsoft? Jim Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 HERA Arms is the company that makes the real ones. The model for the Glock is a GCC (glock carbine conversion) and the 1911 a CPE (colt pistol extension). Link to post Share on other sites
Korppi Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Ahh my favorite topic. Here's some nice links for you. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2169083.pdf http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2462505.pdf http://www.hlebooks.com/ebook/col5load.htm Don't buy the book ".45 acp super guns" by J.M.Ramos as it's very brief in its descriptions. For a select fire 1911 dual sear& dual disconnector setup invented by the notorious Himan S. Lebman is the most elegant option as only external hint is a small selector switch opposite the safety which is in contact with the disconnectors. Or use modified Star design like here. http://www.star-firearms.com/firearms/guns/smgD/index.shtml http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3UdbFTAEks Can't wrap my head around how did they get that rs 1911 so sleekly inside the grip. There should be a protruding arm to contact the sear or so.. But for burst you'd need to come up something that the beretta 93r uses as suggested above. Maybe get a KSC 93r for study Link to post Share on other sites
SniperNinja Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 But for burst you'd need to come up something that the beretta 93r uses as suggested above. Maybe get a KSC 93r for study Did you see my other thread here: http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/200611-m93r-burst-mech/ ? Renegade cow did an excellent job of explaining how the M93r mech works, and there are lots of pics of the mechanism. Link to post Share on other sites
crackisbad Posted November 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Hmm, I wouldn't be interested in making it select fire, I would actually prefer it just be burst all the time. However, I definitely do not think I have the skill to do something like this unfortunately. So unless I can find someone willing to do this for me looks like i'll have to shelve this. Link to post Share on other sites
Korppi Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 ^ Yes. But in order to implement burst one needs to have full auto sear in the first place or butcher it to fire full auto only. After that one can start to think about burst. 1911 is a very different gun than m93r. What it has is a mere guide how to go on with 1911. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 If you went WA, you could get a factory, full auto 1911 and just use trigger discipline for bursts - http://www.wgcshop.com/wgc2008/main/product_detail1.php?search_From=category&item=WA-PS-GMID&search=special&rs=WA%20Handguns&catid=7&cat=17 Link to post Share on other sites
SniperNinja Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Hmm, I wouldn't be interested in making it select fire, I would actually prefer it just be burst all the time. However, I definitely do not think I have the skill to do something like this unfortunately. So unless I can find someone willing to do this for me looks like i'll have to shelve this. Well I did just happen to find a KWA M93r for 30 bucks with 2 mags.... So I may be able to try this myself Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 ^ By principle maybe, but not directly from parts. M9/93R's disconnect the sear very differently from 1911's for one thing. Link to post Share on other sites
Korppi Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 ^ As much as I love my fm WA M1911A1 it is offset by the fact that the mag has a tiny gas reservoir FA would be so frustrating. KJW co2 in the other hand which can do 90 shots with singe powerlet in ideal conditions...Hence WA staid in the closet for the summer. Link to post Share on other sites
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