Isamu Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Or so they claim at this video http://www.popularairsoft.com/news/hit-targets-250-feet-barrel Unfortunatly there is no release date, specifications or any kind of info beyond the "we are hitting man sized targets at 250feet" (about 80m). Certainly a bold claim, but, what power does the guns in the video feature? what bucking are they using? bb brand?... a lot of more questions may arise with time, but even if it is a little improvement, I will follow the development. And, BTW, if we pair this barrel with a REAPS bucking, will we be able to reallu "extend our range to infinity"? Link to post Share on other sites
FTZ-WildeCard Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 And, BTW, if we pair this barrel with a REAPS bucking, will we be able to reallu "extend our range to infinity"? Haha! Well, has anyone had any success with REAPS? All I've seen around here is that it's not worth the hassle. Interesting to see how this barrel turns out -- can't say I can see it happening just off a barrel change. Like you said though, we need to know more about the spec of the test RIF to make more sense of what we are being told. Link to post Share on other sites
jal3 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Why is hitting man sized targets at 250 feet a bold claim? Link to post Share on other sites
Sallinen Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 If its anything legit, my guess goes to a LRB style design. The 250 feet close up looks like someone was throwing the BBs at the target Link to post Share on other sites
P.S.I. Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 I rather dislike that they fail to disclose what the muzzle velocity is with either gun. It's a pretty important part of any comparison of this type. Link to post Share on other sites
FTZ-WildeCard Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Why is hitting man sized targets at 250 feet a bold claim? When it's attributed to the barrel rather than the RIF as a system, it is. Link to post Share on other sites
DrAlexanderTobacco Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Hmm. At one of the points where he names the barrel's manufacturer, he's definitely starting off with an 'M' sound. Link to post Share on other sites
sniperelite7 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 I can hit 260ft with only 1.5j and a slight overhop using a boring ole madbull. Though if this thing is some commercialized lrb(I would die from joy) woudn't a system like that really need a modified out barrel to work. I've heard people say its an orga 6.23... Poor video in any case. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 PSI: yes, it smells fishy when the details are not explained at all, and what I like even less is that the barrel is tested in two different guns... at least REAPS man did it right, same stock gun, different bucking offtopic: I use a reaps bucking in my main AEG, until now what I can say for sure is that cold temperatures affect it a lot, but once it warms up, the range improvement is noticeable. Im testing it with different nub and bb setups and see which one works better, unfortunatly I have to wait to weekends in order to test it properly in the field Edit: Sniperlelite: LRB? orga 6.23? Link to post Share on other sites
jal3 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 PSI: yes, it smells fishy when the details are not explained at all, and what I like even less is that the barrel is tested in two different guns... at least REAPS man did it right, same stock gun, different bucking IIRC Reaps was: Pistol A, unknown velocity, no hopup at all vs REAPS Pistol B, unknown velocity, overhopup REAPS Rifle C, unknown velocity, overhopup That video made no sense. Link to post Share on other sites
QDRenegade Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Haha! Well, has anyone had any success with REAPS? All I've seen around here is that it's not worth the hassle. Ive bought four to date and have had good luck with all of them. I tried buckings from KA, Madbull, Celcius, and at least three other brands with a few different nubs as well. REAPS has been the best perceived experience for me. I will probably keep getting them as I need new buckings and dont feel motivated enough to experiment with RHops. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 If i recall correctly, reaps video featured two glocks of the same brand with only the bucking making the difference, I can be wrong though. The AEG was just a teaser to show potential customers that they were working on the AEG version as well as the GBB version Link to post Share on other sites
sniperelite7 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Lrb- Long Range barrel, is curved to allow hop to be applied along the whole of the bb's travel. Orga 6.23, is a widebore inner barrel, all the air going around the bb cushions it against the walls of the inner barrel, improving accuracy. I don't have any experience with either of the two. Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 http://www.ampedairsoft.com/product_p/orga-magnus-500mm.htm Wonder if it's that. If it's anything else I'm extremely skeptical. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Sooo... someones found a way to make barrels out of compressed Levitra? Should have bought a few cases when they were being peddled here. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 he gave us plenty of details. he said it was a stock LONEX AEG besides the addition of the new barrel of which i think as well that its a large bore barrel. was confirms it was that i had commented in the video: "its a large bore barrel isnt it? like a 6.20mm+ bore right?" and then my comment was deleted. edit: i just checked again, my comment was un-deleted. i still think its a large bore barrel. thats the only thing that can increase range alone, other than a bucking and they say that its all due to the barrel. Sooo... someones found a way to make barrels out of compressed Levitra? Should have bought a few cases when they were being peddled here. lol, you are too much RC. Link to post Share on other sites
intinerious Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 What I wrote on ASM when it was brought to everybody's attention: It's Hong Kong. Where most [EDIT: scratch that, 99.9% of airsofters in HK think that, so 'most' doesn't really do my sentence justice] people think hitting consistently out to 20m is super awesomesauce and then start berating you when you claim yours can hit out to 60-70m because "there's no point in hitting that far". ...[T]he 'upgraded' gun (assuming both cameras were timed correctly): 170 feet = ~1 second before the burst hit the target. 200 feet = ~1.5 seconds 250 feet = ~2 seconds So, making use of ATP for estimation: 170ft, 1s = ~1.88J 200ft, 1.5s = ~1.88J 250ft, 2s = ~2.32J (which leads me to believe my 2s estimate is off) Source: http://mackila.com/airsoft/ATP/07-a-03.htm So, in that case I'd think they were shooting somewhere near the 1.9J mark for their guns (HK's legal limits are < 2J). Then again they probably didn't state the KE is because it's over 2J...who knows. If anyone can get a better estimate of the time I guess we can refer back to the ATP to get an estimate for the KE output. I'm pretty sure a stock Lonex won't shoot that hot anyway, so the WGC video is practically retarded if they wanted to do a performance comparison. In my follow up posts: Anyway [someone on ASM] stated his Lonex M4 fired 370-380 fps with 0.2g bbs...that's 1.27-1.34J....and the guy in the vid can't shoot out to ~52 meters with 0.28g bbs.... Update, I have Leo on my FB friend's list. Forgot why I added and why he accepted me. Anyway, someone asked him how hard the guns shoot on his FB. He said: "abt 1.5j". I'mma call bull#%$! on that based on my observations posted above, and how hard [someone's] Lonex M4 sample shoots, but it's information to you guys regardless. He also wrote this for the video (which he posted on his FB): "hehe ^^Y ..... i love this gun and barrel..... next i am going to try it in a GBB " So whatever the 'speschul' barrel is, there's a GBB version. I'm not too sure about the ORGA stuff (as I'm not into buying overpriced ######) but perhaps that can shed a small bit of light as to what brand it is. That's all I can gather through FB. EDIT 1: Canto mofos! For those who understand it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH-7Z3Hj8So Edit 2: Well screw you too WGC; the test vid is basically the same except for their initial bull#%$! being in Cantonese. However, from what they said in canto, it SOUNDS like the barrel is also a Lonex product (That said maybe their grammar is just ######, I dunno) and that they allude to some other video that was done before, but was indoors. I dunno where the vid is and I'm not too bothered to try and find it however. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted December 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 http://www.ampedairsoft.com/product_p/orga-magnus-500mm.htm Wonder if it's that. If it's anything else I'm extremely skeptical. *suitcase! now im tempted to buy one of those "Orgas" (two in fact) to pair it (them) with the reaps "flat hop for dummies" bucking thanks mate, my wallet hates you now Link to post Share on other sites
Gigueand Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Lots of P* users have been shooting Orgas for months now. They're sort of considered the lastest and greatest, although I detect more than a hint of fad. Anyone interested in the Orga should join take a look at some of the threads on them at Airsoft Mechanics, Pstartalk or the Polar Star Owners Group on facebook. Lots of information floating around about them. I myself have not used an Orga, LRB, reaps, R-Hop or any such magic. Link to post Share on other sites
kullwarrior Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 The setup is no fair at all. Iron vs Bipod+Optic right... FPS not disclosed (as mentioned) Hopup not set correctly. (No over hop on the first one). Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted December 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 Personaly, I cant see HK manufacturer making a new product from scratch, more so cloning an already known product which in this case could be an orga type barrel. Im making a bit of research about them and certainly should be easy to clone to some extent by the tipical ACM barrel makers, question is, does it really increase so much the range in regular (350 to 400FPS) setups? ASM forums doesnt seem to fully agree or I havent found any thread about first hand experience in those forums... I will start to search at PStalk and see what they say, although my lack of technical knowloedge makes me esceptical Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Grrr, range and accuracy are completely different things; the only barrel design that can increase range is a tightbore (by boosting muzzle energy) and tightbores ain't new. I can hit 260ft with only 1.5j and a slight overhop using a boring ole madbull. Though if this thing is some commercialized lrb(I would die from joy) woudn't a system like that really need a modified out barrel to work.... You hit the nail on the head there--overhop. Gain a small amount of distance in exchange for a proportionate amount of the ability to aim. What weight BB are you using in that example? With high tolerances I guess you could machine a very gently curved LRB that fits normal outers, but it would be awfully thin-walled. For those that don't already know, a LRB is a simply a downcurved barrel that acts as a replacement or in this case a supplement to an ordinary hopup. It's not going to increase range without overhopping, which you could do with the hopup alone, but adds extra backspin and more importantly stabilizes the spin axis for improved consistency. I've got a couple of guns setup with hopup+LRB, one of which has a really fancy adjustable barrel curve at three points for testing. After messing with them for a few months, I feel that a well set up (insert increased surface area hopup of your choice) alone is just as good, and a whole heck of a lot less hassle. Lots of P* users have been shooting Orgas for months now. They're sort of considered the lastest and greatest, although I detect more than a hint of fad. Anyone interested in the Orga should join take a look at some of the threads on them at Airsoft Mechanics, Pstartalk or the Polar Star Owners Group on facebook. Lots of information floating around about them.... I have a couple of Orgas; they're very well made barrels that seem to improve accuracy/consistency, but NOT range. In fact, until you boost power to compensate they reduce muzzle energy, decreasing range. Those P* guys (and Horsem4ns) say the darndest things sometimes... In fairness to them, the ORGA has a built in "easy flat hop" feature that can improve your available backspin quite a bit. I'm sure people have gained the ability to hop correctly or overhop after installing one, but that's because their hop stunk before, not the 6.23mm barrel design. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 I have a couple of Orgas; they're very well made barrels that seem to improve accuracy/consistency, but NOT range. In fact, until you boost power to compensate they reduce muzzle energy, decreasing range. Those P* guys (and Horsem4ns) say the darndest things sometimes... Link to post Share on other sites
kimkafwan Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Could it be the laylax mysterious barrel? Link to post Share on other sites
QQexDERA Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 In fairness to them, the ORGA has a built in "easy flat hop" feature that can improve your available backspin quite a bit. I'm sure people have gained the ability to hop correctly or overhop after installing one, but that's because their hop stunk before, not the 6.23mm barrel design. I found the cut out on the Orga barrel was a tad too small to work with the Firefly bucking as standard - but once I opened it up a bit it worked beautifully. Works perfectly on my Polar* Link to post Share on other sites
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