Wingmann Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 Being AEP is a bit frustrating, but I recall them saying that they were going to try and squeeze 330fps out of it. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 Yes, it's a bummer, mostly considering how VFC managed to squeeze a proper geabox into an MP7, maybe sizes are too different. Anyway, glad to see new guns popping around Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 Cool to see new stuff but man, that has been beaten with the ugly stick Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 looks amazing, couldn't care less if its AEP tbh i want it!! Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 I've gotten 330fps on a 0.2g out of a TM MP7 and Mac10 with some work (primarily, a new spring, airseal mods and a 6.01mm tightbore) but IIRC this is using a repurposed G18 AEP gearbox... I'm not holding my breath, I'd be surprised to see more than 300fps out of it. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 Awesome! I don't really care about the power limitations on AEPs, I used a skorpion in CQB for a while and it was totally fine after I upgraded it. Only shot 220fps but still chucked .25s over 200 feet. if they do get that much out of it, the gearbox itself will be worth as much as the gun. Hopefully they fix the gearbox weaknesses to keep it reliable at that fps or even near it. Definitely saving up for one of these. Release date is also pretty soon, they are shooting for the end of August. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted August 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 It's certainly intriguing to me, but I'm also waiting for the VFC MP7 AEG, which might or might not have enough pros to make me decide. In the end it'll come down to total weight, battery space/size/location and magazine capacity. The rest of it I can make it work in either case. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Higher res first pic (does it even show a full size option?) and another one with a bit of the insides. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted August 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 On 8/7/2018 at 9:25 PM, DarkLite said: I've gotten 330fps on a 0.2g out of a TM MP7 and Mac10 with some work (primarily, a new spring, airseal mods and a 6.01mm tightbore) but IIRC this is using a repurposed G18 AEP gearbox... I'm not holding my breath, I'd be surprised to see more than 300fps out of it. They responded to my question about final FPS figures and they said... 230fps. W T F Over. Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 The g18 aep ran around 220 fps, so it sounds about right. The range will be average, perfect for CQB, but it's the ROF that will let it down. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted August 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 It's powered by a LiPo so the motor will spin quite faster. RoF should be higher than a regular AEP, but the FPS is quite sad. My MAC-10 shoots at 300 with no modifications to the air parts, and the gearbox is diminute. Link to post Share on other sites
wildething Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 It's a gun that's smaller than most gear box's what do people expect? Don't know about any one else but I'm not fond of geting spammed at pont blank range with high fps 30rds gun. This a cqb gun so it does exactly what it needs to do. I am more interested in the gear box configuration if it is completely flat it maybe useful for a few custom gun ideas I have. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted August 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 CQB limits here is normally 300fps, with some places allowing up to 320fps, and semi-auto being normally mandatory inside buildings. It's a perfectly fine speed, and not even close to the brutal numbers I've heard of in other places. Link to post Share on other sites
GTi Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 So ugly! Do not want. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 The pistol gearboxes are actually more solid than the SMG gearboxes. People break the SMG gearboxes pretty often, but the pistol ones are good. It's an interesting choice but if it means I can stick in a huge battery in the cavernous body, by all means. Just hope it doesn't have a plastic cutoff lever. The AEPs have plastic cutoff levers and of the 6 g18cs I've seen, one had a broken one and you can't buy them alone. Link to post Share on other sites
Corbeau Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 I wish companies making tiny submachine guns would just put HPA engines in them and avoid the hassle of trying to build tiny gearboxes. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted August 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Funny, they are doing that with the VSS. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted August 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 Some misfeeds but it seems to shoot straight enough Link to post Share on other sites
Arnie Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 They kindly replied with some specs and the same video above. I've added them to the news page here: http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/98473 I have pointed them at this thread so they might chime in. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 Seeing pre-orders on FB at 460 Euro Link to post Share on other sites
wildething Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 hour ago, renegadecow said: Seeing pre-orders on FB at 460 Euro Ouch that's TM recoil money Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 NPO are a small outfit so fair play but yikes!!! I still want one though. Urgh Link to post Share on other sites
Got Wood? Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 All of their guns have been hideously expensive, which is the only thing that stops me getting all of them Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 yeah, NPO has always been expensive. They used to be well over 1 grand for basic AKs, then they got into the 9mm russian carbines and redwolf started to help them export them (which was previously very difficult for them to do) and the prices came down a little bit. as i understand it, its just a few guys in a small machine shop. since this uses an AEP gearbox, i dont expect other manufacturers to try and copy them like LCT does with the 9mm carbines. so this may be it for the availability of this particular russian SMG. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 Do what I do. Spam WE so they get one to copy externally then stuff GBB guts in. Link to post Share on other sites
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