Got Wood? Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 Interested in getting another one of these lately. Had a cyma blowback one and that was always my go to. They seem to be discontinued and the blowback used to chew itself though. Who makes the nicest ones externally nowadays? Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 I take it we're talking AEG? VFC seems to be the go to MP5 these days. Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 The Bolt Recoil MP5's seem to be out again and they have supposedly fixed the faults. Looking forward to seeing some reviews of these. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 I'd hold out and see if there is a release of the LCT MP5s anytime soon if you wanted recoil. Link to post Share on other sites
ardrummer292 Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 The new Avalon-based MP5 (by VFC/Umarex) is the absolute business, performance-wise. I doubt any other brand can even compare. The externals are nice, too. If you're after an MP5 with the old-school SEF lower, your only option is Classic Army (through their webstore, classicarmyshop.com). My CA MP5A3 has some frighteningly rickety externals, but what do you expect from a company whose QC is growing ever worse? Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 hour ago, hitmanNo2 said: I'd hold out and see if there is a release of the LCT MP5s anytime soon if you wanted recoil. This. The LCT MP5 looks absolutely amazing: From the categories on their website it looks like the EBB G3s will be the first to be released. If you can hold off (maybe buzz their Facebook to see if they have a projected release date?) I definitely would. Link to post Share on other sites
richwuk Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 I was holding out hope for LCT making a nice recoil MP5, but I thought I read somewhere about LCT using metal pistons for the AK series and bad things were happening. That might explain on why there doesn't seem to be any LCT recoil AK's out and about, just the kits. Which meant that I was thinking of getting a Bolt, but it seems to take them a couple of attempts to get it right.... Link to post Share on other sites
Got Wood? Posted August 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 Hmm I thought the Bolts were all gone. As far as I knew the only issue was shaking themselves apart? LCT I would love, but seems like a very long wait and there’s nothing to see after that video... Wasn’t aware you could go direct to classic army though! Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted August 30, 2019 Report Share Posted August 30, 2019 New LCT where working on a recoil G3, didn't know about the others. They look good but as thee working with no mags tends to sugest they don't hace stop on empty and working bolt release features like the TM NGRS and KWA ERG's. Big mistake. Here's hoping I wrong or they realise and add these features. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 I nearly posted the exact same topic the same day you did GW. According to the product descriptions of the EF/Avalon brand AEGs that are offered on Evike and AirsoftGI (around $350) they have stamped steel uppers and nylon lowers. In an effort to cross-reference and confirm that I've watched a few video 'reviews' however all the ones I've found so far are made by people who clearly want to cater to the lowest common denominator and provide SWEET FA in terms of actual detail about the materials and internal specs. I'd imagine the LCT externals will tick the right boxes for us more discriminating buyers, no idea if they'll bother with a MOSFET or generally with internals that'll have the crisp response in semi that most people are probably looking for when when they plan to use these things indoors. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 Do any of those have fire selectors that don't suck? Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 18 hours ago, PureSilver said: This. The LCT MP5 looks absolutely amazing From the categories on their website it looks like the EBB G3s will be the first to be released. If you can hold off (maybe buzz their Facebook to see if they have a projected release date?) I definitely would. I tried them on FB and got "We will publish on official website if have any latest news". So yeah. I wouldn't hold your breath. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Wingmann said: Do any of those have fire selectors that don't suck? Jet DesertFox rates the selectors on the EF 'Elite' model in his review, doesn't look like he's lying far as I could tell. Link to post Share on other sites
Got Wood? Posted August 31, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 Who is the OEM for Elite force? Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 Various, the guns I'm talking about are Avalon as I say (VFC), take a look at some of the product listings and reviews you'll find out plenty of info. Link to post Share on other sites
Hatchet Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 12 hours ago, TheFull9 said: I nearly posted the exact same topic the same day you did GW. According to the product descriptions of the EF/Avalon brand AEGs that are offered on Evike and AirsoftGI (around $350) they have stamped steel uppers and nylon lowers. In an effort to cross-reference and confirm that I've watched a few video 'reviews' however all the ones I've found so far are made by people who clearly want to cater to the lowest common denominator and provide SWEET FA in terms of actual detail about the materials and internal specs. Agreed. Whilst it's nice to see them on youtube, there's a lot of "this gun is great" and no actual disassembly, looking at the gearbox, reporting on proprietary parts, etc. Would be useful to know if it uses it's own custom mosfet setup or if a Gate/Spectre is a drop in (or HPA) and so on. Despite the annoyance of small mag capacity and limited battery size in the sliding stock I am always on the lookout for more MP5 options. I blame every 80's action movie ever for this. Link to post Share on other sites
Gunmane Posted August 31, 2019 Report Share Posted August 31, 2019 AFAIK the LCT models (some of which WGC seems to already be selling/listing up at least ak wise) don't have any upgraded internals save for the motor and whatever is needed for the bolt. Been hearing mostly negative things from the few who got kits of the strain on the gearbox being too much. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 11 hours ago, Hatchet said: agreed. Whilst it's nice to see them on youtube, there's a lot of "this gun is great" and no actual disassembly, looking at the gearbox, reporting on proprietary parts, etc. Would be useful to know if it uses it's own custom mosfet setup or if a Gate/Spectre is a drop in (or HPA) and so on. Despite the annoyance of small mag capacity and limited battery size in the sliding stock I am always on the lookout for more MP5 options. I blame every 80's action movie ever for this. Hopefully there is an depth review written somewhere online on the Avalons, though given the death of forums and most FB groups being Closed/Secret it's not terribly likely. AFAIK the VFC/Avalon MOSFETs are their own thing as with most fets that come in a gun, that's only a guesstimate though. One YT 'review' claims the guns in question are RS spec externally and does show a real handguard fitted to add weight to that argument, though I think given the tolerances in question you've probably got more chance fitting a real handguard than stock given the tight fitting of the stock caps on MP5s. If real stocks work though there are many options out there, though strangely the real MP5k has even more options and adapters than the MP5. 9 hours ago, Gunmane said: AFAIK the LCT models (some of which WGC seems to already be selling/listing up at least ak wise) don't have any upgraded internals save for the motor and whatever is needed for the bolt. Been hearing mostly negative things from the few who got kits of the strain on the gearbox being too much. Not too surprising, doesn't fill me with confidence with regard the LCT. The AKs seem to sound nice, probably feel decent to shoot and cycle the action, but I wouldn't bet too much on the long term reliability and I doubt the semi response will be stellar, though happy to be proved wrong when they release their offering of course. If it stopped on empty I think I'd wait quite happily, but I've not heard of them planning to do that which leaves the choice a bit more open ended. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 8/30/2019 at 6:27 PM, richwuk said: I was holding out hope for LCT making a nice recoil MP5, but I thought I read somewhere about LCT using metal pistons for the AK series and bad things were happening. The AK 'boxes definitely do have metal pistons: I have one. I'm reasonably sure the piston is steel - it's under incredible stress from the off-axis loading of the recoil spring, which is very, very stiff indeed. I bought mine used and only shot the gearbox outside the gun - they're both with a machinist at present so the latter will accept the former - but it sounded good. On 8/30/2019 at 9:12 PM, BigAl said: They look good but as thee working with no mags tends to sugest they don't hace stop on empty and working bolt release features like the TM NGRS and KWA ERG's. Given that the EBB AK gearboxes don't have those features and there's no mention of the soon-to-be-released EBB AKs coming with them either, I think it's likely that those features won't be included. AFAIK PTWs, DASs, NGRS, ERGs, and EVO3A1s are the only AEGs with that functionality. The majority of EBBRs (BOLT, G&P, G&G, ICS, CYMA, ARMY, not to mention NGRS G36s and every NGRS AK except the newest one) don't have it. Honestly, if I had to choose between a TM NGRS MP5 that did stop and had a working bolt, but was ABS and aluminium, and an LCT MP5 that didn't and didn't but was all-steel and GFP, I would probably take the LCT. I can enjoy steel construction and decent plastics on every shot and in between them too, whereas the bolt stop only activates every 70rds. The LCT will likely kick harder, and if I really wanted to I could probably find some way to tie the charging handle into the gun's electronics. The work required to get an NGRS into a different shell is so prohibitively expensive and difficult that I've only seen one ARES reshell of an NGRS G36 before. On 8/31/2019 at 10:57 PM, Gunmane said: AFAIK the LCT models (some of which WGC seems to already be selling/listing up at least ak wise) don't have any upgraded internals save for the motor and whatever is needed for the bolt. The 'box has (obviously) a proprietary open-topped shell, a metal piston I'm pretty sure is steel, and from what I can recall a wider tooth engaging the piston. Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 Yah I would chose the lct over a TM as well, but why the hell not go the extra distance and put stop on empty functionality in the system, the better the gun feels and more it functions like a GBB ( or indeed the real one ) but with the ease of battery power instead of gas the better. Link to post Share on other sites
Got Wood? Posted September 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 Interesting how little the MP5 is looked at from manufacturers. Tonnes and tonnes of weird and bizarre civvie/zombie builds, but very little military or law enforcement focus on any of it. All very interesting points above. Shame to hear the recoil LCT’s aren’t all that yet. I would have thought LCT would nail it first time. May end up getting the not nicest platform. Cyma have released a non EBB Mp5 range updated for 2019, and I could get both an A3 and SD5, and mags for under £300... Link to post Share on other sites
FELDJAGER Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Hey all, I've been shopping for an mp5 for quite some time, but ive never found "the one" ill share my findings. Ive owned a TM, CA, SRC, VFC, and an old galaxy PDW clone 🤡 TM, CA, ICS= I would disregard these in 2019. Selectors are terrible, grip is fat, cocking tube seam where it connects to receiver CA(B&T) = Better than the above. moving ejection port with hopup adjustment is cool. but it shares all the problems of the older models SRC Stamped steel= rock solid receiver, nice having an AEG that doesn't feel like it will snap in half on its sling. solves the cockingtube seam with a real (and realistic) weld. lower is gross, fat selector switches that feel bad and mushy, faux bolt cover slammed into my hop adjustment arm and broke it...finish is rough and kinda gray, not much like any mp5s ive encountered (only a couple but yknow) VFC(Die cast US model) = Receiver is NOT steel, cocking tube seam is present which killed it for me. The lower however is the best around, good material, as narrow as possible, selectors are stiffer and clickier. 3 round burst stutters sometimes Systema TW5 = seems sick, but not in my budget The Best of the bunch as far as I can tell is VFC's asia region aeg. It has a proper stamped steel upper (welded cocking tube 😍 might share with their GBBRs) and the nicest lower in the biz The catch is that it's out of stock since like over a year ago http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/AEG_AEP_Umarex_Umarex_VFC_MP5A5_AEG_Asia_Edition.htm *honorable mention ICS MX5 pro= never got my hands on one, looks pretty good if I recall correctly but I think Umarex killed this one WE apache = Looks good, apparently works good, mags are either open follower with correct curvature, or closed with exaggerated curvature 😡 That's all the info I've gathered on the subject, I'm still mp5-less. LCT's G3 looks great so fingers crossed on their mp5. Good luck with your noble quest Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Correction: WE MP5: Open with incorrect curvature or closed with correct curvature but holds less gas. WE Magazines are also too wide compared with the real steel MP5 magazines, which are dimensionally replicated on the VFC MP5 GBBs. While the WE MP5 GBBs do feature stamped receiver, its different from the VFC MP5 GBBs. VFCs are far more rigid, and ironically more solid than the real one. WE MP5s feature softer steel and easier to rust. However it is better constructed than the SRC, which feels tinny like a Pakistani MP5. While I haven't tested the newer VFC MP5 GBBs, the older VFC versions (I owned MP5A5, MP5SD6, MP5K PDW) had realistic rate of fire, but low recoil and poopy magazines. While everything is dimensionally accurate, and accuracy is pretty good also, durability and performance leaves a lot to be desired. The WE MP5s have far lower rate of fire, higher recoil and better magazines. While there are a few things dimensionally off from the RS, (rear sights are too tall leading to shooting far too high off the sight picture, and magazines), the gun works as required and is very durable. I have the PDW and run it exclusively with short 15 round (26 round) magazines. Both GBBs are not really fitting for the speedsoft crowd, but both a sufficient to hold its own indoors. Outdoors its ok since the both the WE and the VFC pumps out 400fps+ (WE MP5K PDW pumps out 320fps unmodified and 360 modified) , but the long mags are an inconvenience in the bush, as is the open magazine channel which allows debris to get into the magazine follower. Since I do mostly command Post or vehicle work in our games, then the MP5s aren't that bad, as weight (2.5kg for PDW vs 3kg for MP5A5) is a factor rather than size. Though I have other choices available for similar purpose; Skorpion Vz61 (1.3kg), MP9 (1.5kg), MP7 (2.1kg) , Mini UZI (2.5kg), Troy M7/HK416C PDW (2.3 - 2.5kg), or ACR PDW if I am game for carrying a 3.6kg PDW. Not the worst I had to do, carrying a GPMG in and out of a cab of a Pinzguer... Link to post Share on other sites
Nami Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 I adored my Umarex MP5SD3 GBB (integrally suppressed, retractable stock, SEF trigger group) when I had it. Just a solid CQB platform. OEM by VFC so you know it's a genuinely quality product. I reckon they're pretty hard to track down these days. My silly *albatross* sold mine about a year ago thinking I'd never get back into airsoft ever again. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 They've just been re released in V2 format so you're in luck. A considerable improvement it seems. Link to post Share on other sites
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