YE MP5

[Dusk]

Not to mention the G&G gearbox was a complete tank compared to TMs one... Tms=sports car G&G=m1 abrams

 

 

how is this related to the mp5?

[AustinWolv]

The trigger was the least of the problems with the Gen1 G&G M14 mechboxes

 

Note sarcasm.

 

http://www.lonestarairsoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6177

 

The G&G internals in a GR16 I had at one point were absolute *beep*. Terrible pistonhead oring size meant no seal at all, cheap pistonhead, hopup cam/gears were poorly made and did not adjust cleanly, hopup rubber was junk, and spring guide was cheap as hell. I can't recall the other parts anymore. Other than that, the gun looked and felt great.

 

Not to mention the G&G gearbox was a complete tank compared to TMs one

In their respective M14s? Do you have data to back that up? I'd like to see them tested side-by-side with the same spring level in them.

I ask because I track all the rounds through all my guns in a spreadsheet, so I'd like to see actual data instead of a subjective statement please.

 

Simple enough, the Escort MP5 will outlast any of those AEGs while providing user recoil and bolt cycling for a more fun experience that shoots just as well as an AEG while being more durable against inclement weather. There, back on topic for ya.

[TDS]

The trigger was the least of the problems with the Gen1 G&G M14 mechboxes

 

Note sarcasm.

 

http://www.lonestarairsoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6177

 

its definatly gng's fault that people dont know how to setup and/or troubleshoot a gearbox....

[Sale]

Setup and troubleshoot?

 

I thought what you're supposed to do with a gun is load the mag, connect the gas line (or battery) and fire away.

[lsniperxl]

Nice sale....

 

Is that a real picture of you? I always got a kick out of that one...I feel sorry anyone who ran up against you in the field.

[AustinWolv]

its definatly gng's fault that people dont know how to setup and/or troubleshoot a gearbox....

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Plain and simple, the mechbox was manufactured incorrectly and half-assed, kinda like all the positions/comments you've tried to use to debate in this thread.

The people commenting in that thread have probably forgotten more about AEGs and mechboxes than you've even gotten to yet.

[TDS]

You know, you can resort to insults as much as you like, but that doesnt make you right. (maybe you dont trust others to make up thier minds for themselves?) but if you want to keep going, I'm game I guess.

 

I love the attacks though, its hilarious.

 

TDS: 1st gen escort mp5's had issues

You: BLASPHOMY

 

You: 1st gen G&G m14's had issues

TDS: but they are fixable

You: BLASPHOMY!

 

See where I'm coming from? I could be talking about the sky being blue and you would still be calling me out.

 

all this nonsence arguing is here because I made the "terrible" statement that some of the first batch had problems, and previous reasonable-priced escort guns have had problems, and some of the basic pitfalls of classic guns in general.

 

my real issue with classics is the smoke and mirrors nonsence that certain people do, its not amusing to me in the least.

 

Imagine if an ICS rep posted here (and he does) and when someone inferred that a previous gun/run of thiers had issues, they jumped down the throat of the poster, offering no solutions, just "no they dont!" and feebly trying to make the person look stupid by relying on semantics, improper grammer/terms, ect, or send off people that get favorable treatment through hundreds/thousands of dollars in sales to do it for them.

 

How many people would buy ICS guns then?

 

(( you need to read to mid page 2 before it gets good, "This is stupid....it *fruitcage* works...why are we discussing it.." , just awesome

and when/if the posters go back and edit it up, i'll upload the original thread remotly, if it comes to that ))

 

//edit for comment

[Dusk]

On topic:

Those Mp5s look cool, and id consider buying one if i wasnt so sure that it would be a 500 dollar GBB that used a highcap..... Whats so good about it?

Also, how will it outlast an aeg? I could build a more reliable AEG for less money that shoots better and has more bells and whistles you can count.

 

Prove me wrong.

 

Edit: stuff removed and PMed because Elrey cracked open this thread most likely to close it.

[AustinWolv]

all this nonsence arguing is here because I made the "terrible" statement that some of the first batch had problems

Actually it is because you posted a number of other false statements also, like that they don't shoot for *beep*, lack range, and so on. All false and addressed, and you chose to ignore, instead trying to switch your criticism to something else, which in turn was shown to be your disdain for sniperx.

TDS: 1st gen escort mp5's had issues

You: BLASPHOMY

Mine didn't have issues. Others didn't have issues. G&G M14s by comparison had fatal issues, as evidenced by that thread and people having had to return them to retailers to get reworked.

my real issue with classics is the smoke and mirrors nonsence that certain people do, its not amusing to me in the least.

When you can make LRBs, let us know. I'll be more than happy to test one of yours out. Until then, refrain from trying to discredit a product because of your bias. Thanks for confirming that bias though that was so apparent earlier in your posts.

Pretty apparent that you feel wronged by sniperx, but take it out on him then and don't buy from him, instead of trying to "prove" that the Escort MP5 is ###### when it has been plainly and objectively shown to be otherwise. Flat-out lying isn't a very good way to deal with whatever situation you have with him.

See where I'm coming from? I could be talking about the sky being blue and you would still be calling me out.

Yep, you confirmed where you are coming from.....biased disdain so you are trying to get revenge back on sniperx by blasting the Escort MP5.

You know, you can resort to insults as much as you like, but that doesnt make you right.

And you can continue to post false comments, trying to pass them off as truths, and then refuse to counter objective statements from actual users. If you cannot debate with actual info, that reinforces that your statements are baseless.

some of the basic pitfalls of classic guns in general.

You tried this one earlier. Too bad it is a direct insult to all the experienced players over the years who actually know better.

AEGs and classics both have their pros/cons. However, performance and durability are something that classics have the advantage.

Imagine if an ICS rep posted here (and he does) and when someone inferred that a previous gun/run of thiers had issues, they jumped down the throat of the poster, offering no solutions, just "no they dont!" and feebly trying to make the person look stupid by relying on semantics, improper grammer/terms, ect, or send off people that get favorable treatment through hundreds/thousands of dollars in sales to do it for them.

Ooooh, you do have a vendetta. Let me guess, you want to know how to make LRBs, and he won't tell you in order to protect his business, so you are angry?

Again, you try to pull a tarp over your statements, twisting them around to ignore all the info. sniperx truthfully and directly talked on CA.net about a couple issues that the MP5 had, and he worked with people to fix them. He didn't hide them and lie to people; he found out what they were and helped people get their guns going if they had an issue. He didn't blatantly ignore customers like companies like Classic Army does.

 

Also, how will it outlast an aeg?

Number of rounds fired before needing replacement parts.

I could build a more reliable AEG for less money that shoots better and has more bells and whistles you can count.

Sure, price that out for me. AEGs break down. Period. I have the spreadsheet with every part to do so in all my guns to prove it.

Examples:

Prometheus Hard Piston/35900 rounds /plastic teeth stripped (using MS135 spring)

Systema flat gear set (Super torque-up)/39000/Bevel gear tooth worn clean off (using SP140 spring)

There is a reason that a decent rule of thumb for AEGs is to expect to spend roughly $50 every 35,000-40,000 rounds on replacement parts if upgraded to common levels found in the US (stock quality AEGs will last longer of course, but still wear through hopup buckings, motors, and pistonhead o-rings). One interval will be a little 'ol $5 hopup bucking, but the next interval will be a $60 gearset and $15-20 piston.

 

Do you have the same?

I know some of my classics are 40,000+ rounds, requiring no part replacement and expect some to hit 80,000-100,000 rounds before needing to change a $0.02 o-ring. Other members on CA.net have mentioned being at around 100,000 rounds on their SP M16s for example, only needing to change out simple o-ring in seconds.

 

Those Mp5s look cool, and id consider buying one if i wasnt so sure that it would be a 500 dollar GBB that used a highcap..... Whats so good about it?

Read this thread to learn about it. Skip over TDS' revenge posts. If it doesn't suit your fancy, that's cool. Actual recoil isn't for everyone.

I'm hoping that isn't sarcasm in your post, given the next few sentences you posted.

Have you seen or shot a gun using Escort internals?

http://www.lonestarairsoft.com/forums/down...p?do=file&id=95

http://www.lonestarairsoft.com/forums/down...p?do=file&id=69

 

Once you shoot one, AEGs are simply boring (although still useful of course). Since there is no drop-off in performance compared to an AEG for a replica like that once it is set up well, why not have an open mind about it? And if you are serious, no, it doesn't behave like a GBB pistol, suffering from cooldown, since it is externally-powered. You probably know that, but could not detect the tone of your post, so just throwing that out there.

 

You are a friend of TDS'? I mean, c'mon, you post "AEG>GBB" as debate material??? You do know the gas isn't stored in the mag like a GBB pistol, right?

[MMADust]

I must say, this debate has been very fun to read. However, I seem to detect the opposite with TDS... you tell him until you are blue in the face, yet he is still "right."

 

See you guys back on CA.net.

[lsniperxl]

This doesn't need to be closed, it needs to be moderated. There was a civil conversation regarding new products, distribution, and current events affecting all aspects of the game. What needs to happen, is child or two needs a talking to. This thread should be reserved for those interested in the NEW Escort MP5 and those who own it. If you want to be a d!ck and cause trouble...open your own thread and we'll have at it.

[mrblah]

OFF TOPIC:

 

I have alot of faith in sniperx. A while back my SP xm177e2 kept doing weird things. COuldnt figure out what it was. A email to sniperx, and he helped me solve it, and werent even a ###### about it, even though i didnt buy it from him. He could have said, send it to me and take my money, but no, he told me what to buy, and how to fix it. Thats what makes me feel confident in your products, when you stand by not only what you sell, but even your competitors products.

 

I feel the same with GnG. Yeah their original designs suck, but they stand by their products 100 percent. My number 475 Gr16, didnt even fire out of the box. They fixed it and sent it back at no charge (even put in a tm eg1000, area 1000 parts, very ironic). Try that with TM or CA. Every gun has its quirks, and not every gun will be flawless. Hopefully, the manufacture, or dealer will stand behind their products, and thats what draws repeating customers.

 

ON TOPIC

[lsniperxl]

Sale: The payroll was a straight up joke, I know where you stand on things. It was an answer to a forseeable comment of, "These guys must be paid off or something."

[Dusk]

Well, yes, i am a friend of TDS. Hes one of my airsoft partners, HOWEVER, i dont always agree with what he says. First of all, i like AEGs, hes all GAS=teh ownz@!!11.

 

Now, im not saying hes wrong or anything, but I feel safe using my AEG that has parts redily availible. Whereas i keep hearing the words machine, and make, for classic guns that make me cringe.

 

Yes, i have seen one fire, i was not impressed. The dude slapped in the mag, held it loosely and it jiggled.. $500 for jiggle? Unless i watched that wrong i can make an AEG shake too. (lots of custom stuff involved however)

 

To me, 40,000 rounds isnt alot. I like my guns going into the 500,000bbs range before having serious problems. And ive upgraded guns that have lasted longer than 100,000 rounds without any problems, one of these being a G&G m14.

 

Sniperx seems like a cool dude, ready to help out. I think his prices are a bit over the top sometimes. (But you cant really argue on a price of a classic can you? Its either you get one or you dont)

 

I still dont quite understand how this gun with 300fps can outrange a AEG shooting 400fps..

Yes i know this isnt quite a GBB, but what makes the other classics so darn interesting if they dont "kick". I am fimiliar with how most classics are rigged up, but thanks for sharing anyway.

 

Most important. Are there any problems with this gun shooting 1,000 round bursts?

 

Edit: One more thing. How can we expect this gun to compare to an upgraded SP, or a shoei mp44? Both cost more(upgrades included) if its just stock?

[dcentity2000]

I have alot of faith in sniperx.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Ditto.

 

From what I've picked up, the moulds for these items are long gone, there's no real solid plan to replace them and there are only a limited number left; in essence, Redwolf have nothing and probably never will on anything more than a very limited scale.

 

 

 

Rich::

[lsniperxl]

The Escort gun is not classic in the pure definition. You do not need to make your own parts or machine anything. Parts are readily available from the manufacturers and its nearly impossible to actually NEED a new part. Often times an oring, a screw, or simply re-fitting is all thats necessary. The reason why spare parts are so important to an AEG user is...everything on an AEG can/will break. There is not one part on the gun that is not susceptable to breakage on an AEG. On an Escort Mp5 you have a pressed aluminum alloy body (not potmetal, but an actual aluminum sheet), you get solid CNC brass internals (not cast potmetal junk), you have high quality plastics in use (it is actually a bit stronger than TMs std furniture)...the only things that are known to break are front sights (the only irritating piece of plastic). To top this all off...you GET extra parts with gun. When was the last time you got an extra selector or hopup with a TM gun? You GET all the parts that are prone to breakage.

 

Seeing and actually holding an Escort based gun are very different things. The reason it "jiggles" is the same reason a real pistol has more recoil and less forward motion, or why a BArret 50 caliber allows you to hip fire a BMG round. You have a heavy weight moving backward very quickly and a spring pushing it forward almost as quickly. So the motion you see is a back and forth. Military personnel equate an upgraded SP M16 to a real 223.

 

40,000 rounds is not a lot. But then again what is your definition of serious problems? A piston stripping? A piston head coming loose? A mechbox cracking? A SERIOUS problem for us is an actual machined piece breaking. As far as I know, I'm the only one to do that. You know how many cycles it took? 800,000. AND IT STILL KEPT FIRING, not perfectly, but there was definately something notably wrong with it. Only at 900,000 cycles did the problem get so SERIOUS that the gun shut down. We remade the part (otherwise ordered from Shoei) and now we are well over the 1 million mark...I'd like to see ANY gun, real or airsoft, with a change equating to nothing more than a firing pin. THATS duraility.

 

Prices reflect workmanship and value. Yeah you can get an AEG for dirt these days. But to own one of 300, something that was hand assembled by someone who knows about the game and actually uses what hes building....thats what your paying for. You are paying for a serious quality piece. It would be like questioning why a Rolex is so much more expensive than a Casio. One is hand made by a little man in Switzerland who believes in what hes doing and the other is spit out by a robot. The other key here is value. I could drop the price a bit...but why? To compete with the dribble in the world? No. Players make an invetsment in this equipment and they are rewarded end over end for it. This is not CYMA where you buy a gun cheap and take it home and shoot cans. This is a serious machine, this is a piece of equipment that in essence COULD be shown to your grandchildren one day...."Yeah, I used to run around forests with this when I was a kid." I know it sounds corny, but these will last that long. Wheres your AEG going to be in 20-30 years?

 

Velocity does NOT equal distance. When you watch a gun shoot 300 feet at 370fps with .25s you start to question all that which have accepted as gospel. Thats a flat trajectory also. It has to do with effective hopups, barrel design, propulsion, and other factors. There is much technology lost in the world of airsoft today. I'm doing my part to make sure it doesn't disappear completely.

 

Classics are a different realm than what were are talking about here. Classic ownership is exactly the same as vintage car ownership. Yeah modern cars are fuel injected, computer controlled, 50mpg pieces of technological marvel....but are you going to scoff at the guy driving a 1965 Mustang? Or better yet my Grandpa driving his 32 ford roadster he built from the ground up? Yeah it has a flat head that puts out 80hp tops and still has drum brakes....but damned if ts not badass'd. The alure of classics is simplicity, ultimate reliability (ultimate meaning in the end), uniqueness, the pursuit of something missing, a passion. You get into classics because you're not getting what you want out of aegs...whether thats a rare piece you cannot get any other way or are just fed up with the monkey-motion of an AEG.

 

Would you fire a real MP5 for 1000 round bursts? No, its just stupid. Now a gun that will do 1000+ round bursts are the LMGs...the Mg42 and the upcoming M60. These guns are designed to fire like the real ccounterpart...long sustained streams. I personally fired an MG42 for a minute and a half straight...I only stopped because I ran out of ammo and I was the only one of my force remaining. To put it into more relative terms...take an AEG and fire a thousand round string without stopping...lets see what starts to happen there. On top of it...unless you're using a douche of a drum mag on an MP5...theres no point to needing that sort of sustained fire. Lets be realistic here.

 

Price comparison means nothing. Thats the same argument as, "I can buy a real gun for that much." An M16 is a different gun from the Mp5 as is the MP44. Each gun is designed with a different system to achieve different things. The developer of this system believes in ultimate realism...from tool-less takedown to noise signitures. A trained player in our area can tell where my AK is vs one of his friendly M16 users in a Vietnam game. There is no doubt when the MG42 or 30cals open up on your position. The developer is chasing the holy grail of airsoft...realism. He regards AEGs as appliances...onpar with toasters and washing machines. They are not guns. While what we make here are not either in relative perspective...they are ten steps closer. One day the only difference between an airsoft gun and a real gun will be the projectile and the propulsion. With our new developements here....it may be possible.

[PlasticMag]

So - where's my AKS74 that takes G&P magazines? Bring that out, I'll buy it. And none of that Guarder nonsense.

[TDS]

Mine didn't have issues.  Others didn't have issues.  G&G M14s by comparison had fatal issues, as evidenced by that thread and people having had to return them to retailers to get reworked.

anything requiring taking a gun apart will have end users returning them to retailers, pretty much regardless of how easy it is to fix, most end users dont have the confidence to break down a rifle, and most retailers void warrenties if the end user opens them, so they really dont have a choice.

 

When you can make LRBs, let us know.  I'll be more than happy to test one of yours out.  Until then, refrain from trying to discredit a product because of your bias.  Thanks for confirming that bias though that was so apparent earlier in your posts.

 

I can right now, but I dont send free product to *explitive* , nor do I really sell them at all, it was mostly me experimenting around trying to make hop-barrels for a project that is moving along ever so slowly, and may be released before winter... if I win the lottery or something

 

before the predictable "AH HA!" my project is in no way-shape-or form a compeditor{sp, its late} of the escort system, its not really realistic, its not blowback, and its rather silly in operation.

 

LRB's have nothing to do with this topic as they arent compatable with escort guns to my knowledge though, that thread was just the first example I found, so I used it.

 

Ive been thinking of sending in my m60 to see if a "proper" lrb outperforms mine, but very, very long turnaround times, and fear of inadequite service (or packing when return shipping) due to having a history of not "playing ball" nicely has kept me out for the time being, and the 60 is the only gun I own that isnt tuned to right where I want it, so the option of sending something I really dont care about isnt there either, until I impulse buy another gun...

 

  Yep, you confirmed where you are coming from.....biased disdain so you are trying to get revenge back on sniperx by blasting the Escort MP5. 

And you can continue to post false comments, trying to pass them off as truths, and then refuse to counter objective statements from actual users.  If you cannot debate with actual info, that reinforces that your statements are baseless.

  You tried this one earlier.  Too bad it is a direct insult to all the experienced players over the years who actually know better. 

AEGs and classics both have their pros/cons.  However, performance and durability are something that classics have the advantage.

  Ooooh, you do have a vendetta.  Let me guess, you want to know how to make LRBs, and he won't tell you in order to protect his business, so you are angry?

Again, you try to pull a tarp over your statements, twisting them around to ignore all the info.  sniperx truthfully and directly talked on CA.net about a couple issues that the MP5 had, and he worked with people to fix them.  He didn't hide them and lie to people; he found out what they were and helped people get their guns going if they had an issue.

 

what does me making LRB's have anything to do with any of that...?

all of the issues I posted, happen, regardless if my interpritation of the issue is right or not.

 

Number of rounds fired before needing replacement parts.

Sure, price that out for me.  AEGs break down.  Period.  I have the spreadsheet with every part to do so in all my guns to prove it.

Examples:

Prometheus Hard Piston/35900 rounds /plastic teeth stripped (using MS135 spring)

Systema flat gear set (Super torque-up)/39000/Bevel gear tooth worn clean off (using SP140 spring)

There is a reason that a decent rule of thumb for AEGs is to expect to spend roughly $50 every 35,000-40,000 rounds on replacement parts if upgraded to common levels found in the US (stock quality AEGs will last longer of course, but still wear through hopup buckings, motors, and pistonhead o-rings).  One interval will be a little 'ol $5 hopup bucking, but the next interval will be a $60 gearset and $15-20 piston.

 

try building weakness into the system (usually piston) instead of reinforcing everything, may have to break down the gun a little more often but its much much cheaper than what youve posted.

 

 

You are a friend of TDS'?  I mean, c'mon, you post "AEG>GBB" as debate material???  You do know the gas isn't stored in the mag like a GBB pistol, right?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Yep he plays in my league, believe it or not I pointed him twards the escort mp5 specifically when he was poking for a classic-style rifle, but he's been around my guns for long enough to see what he's going to have to put up with and is willing to give it a shot.

 

 

Sniperx: Still waiting to hear more about this brass/steel alloy of yours, ive found nothing that states those two metals cooperate with eachother.

[lsniperxl]

This is uncalled for:

 

Ive been thinking of sending in my m60 to see if a "proper" lrb outperforms mine, but very, very long turnaround times, and fear of inadequite service (or packing when return shipping) due to having a history of not "playing ball" nicely has kept me out for the time being, and the 60 is the only gun I own that isnt tuned to right where I want it, so the option of sending something I really dont care about isnt there either, until I impulse buy another gun...

 

TDS: This conversation does not involve you. You do not own an Escort MP5 that I sold to you. You are just being a jerk. You talk about thing in which you have no background, knowledge or experience. You better zip up, your ignorance is showing.

 

I will explain the apparent shortfalls you are reffering to in an intelligent and coherent manner.

 

You may have stumbled upon the "proper" LRB on your own, no siht, theres a manual on how to do it genius. The problem is materials, machines, time, and knowledge. We never said there was any magic....we only said we have background, material, and machines to produce it for those who can't. I'm sorry if you got your dong bent out of shape because I wouldn't give out the information that we worked to cultivate and expand.

 

Long turnaround times. Yes, at times. The person running the show there is a senior engineering student (my brother) at Cal Poly. On top of it...iits ONE GUY crank out parts for the ENTIRE WORLD. Sorry if we can't do 24 hour turnarounds anymore. Between the demand, his schooling, and external projects....sometimes things take time.

 

Inadequate service. Sometimes there are black out periods due to overwhelming school work or technical difficulties with the school or our mail server, but once a gun is completed you have pretty much a lifetime warranty on the gun. Shoot we even extend that past the original owner sometimes. Its easier working on a gun that you were the only one inside of rather than dealing with some dinks mucking around.

 

Inadequate packing. I have no clue where this came from. Guns go out the same way they come in, often better. Lie #1 of the above post.

 

Not playing ball. I have no idea what this means. Why we would we intentionally burn a customer who is more than happy to recieve service. Lie #2 of the above post.

 

The funny thing about tuning...until you have one that is done 100% right...you have no clue how off yours potentially could be. I've seen dozens of "tuned" guns from all over the world when I was at AS4L...lets just say F-UP work pays double.

 

Lastly...WHY THE FCUK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AS4L IN AN ESCORT THREAD.

The coumpanies have nothing to do with each other outside of one upgrades the other.

 

If you're going to run a smear campaign...ATLEAST make sure you are smarter or at least better informed than the one you are smearing.

 

Back to ESCORT MP5s please....

 

(edit word change)

[TDS]

you know trying to bypass the word filter with clever mispellings may earn you a vacation

 

TDS: This conversation does not involve you. You do not own an Escort MP5 that I sold to you. You are just being a jerk. You talk about thing in which you have no background, knowledge or experience. You better zip up, your ignorance is showing.

I deal allmost 100% in used, broken guns, that I fix, its really the only way I can afford having so many

oh and I am rubber, you are glue, ect. ect. na na na na, na na.

 

 

The funny thing about tuning...until you have one that is done 100% right...you have no clue how off yours potentially could be. I've seen dozens of "tuned" guns from all over the world when I was at AS4L...lets just say F-UP work pays double.

 

yep you never know what your missing until youve seen something running at 100%, thus my curiosity about "proper" ones.

 

 

Sniperx: Still waiting to hear more about this brass/steel alloy of yours, ive found nothing that states those two metals cooperate with eachother.

......

[lsniperxl]

Yeah, I'm going to stop replying to your comments now, its blatantly obvious whats going on.

 

 

BTW...FCUK is a British company....

[TDS]

Yeah, I'm going to stop replying to your comments now, its blatantly obvious whats going on.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

That I finally have you cornered in one of your pseudo-marketing lies? You'll usually drop one or two if you think the person doesnt know any better and you dont think you'll be caught.

 

Sniperx: Still waiting to hear more about this brass/steel alloy of yours, ive found nothing that states those two metals cooperate with eachother.

 

awnser it satisfactorally and i'll fold.

[AustinWolv]

That I finally have you cornered in one of your pseudo-marketing lies? You'll usually drop one or two if you think the person doesnt know any better and you dont think you'll be caught.

Wow. Trying to turn the tables by not responding yet again to all the points made that blow holes through any point you try to make. A nifty little strategy of subjective accusatory statements used by those with no background or logical thought process to follow.

Now, im not saying hes wrong or anything, but I feel safe using my AEG that has parts redily availible. Whereas i keep hearing the words machine, and make, for classic guns that make me cringe.

If what you are "hearing" is coming from TDS, no wonder you cringe. His lack of knowledge on classics is apparent reading through his posts on CA.net. That was already pointed out in this thread, in which he asked questions on CA.net in the past couple months or so and then comes on this site acting like he knows about classics.

Try it before you (or TDS) knocks it. It isn't for everyone, but there is a reason that a lot of AEG users now have more classic/gas guns in their collection than AEGs.

Yes, i have seen one fire, i was not impressed. The dude slapped in the mag, held it loosely and it jiggled.. $500 for jiggle? Unless i watched that wrong i can make an AEG shake too.

Seeing and actually shooting are two different things. I have handed my SP M16 and Escort MP5 to multiple people, all of whom had huge *beep*-eating grins on their face afterwards. None of them mentioned a single thing about an AEG even approaching that kind of recoil.

Having had shot AR15 variants numerous times, I can vouch that my upgraded SP M16 recoils as much as a real AR15.

I can guarantee you cannot make an AEG to do the same for very long, if at all.....considering the impact on an AEG is going forward, not backwards like a bolt cycling.

To me, 40,000 rounds isnt alot. I like my guns going into the 500,000bbs range before having serious problems. And ive upgraded guns that have lasted longer than 100,000 rounds without any problems, one of these being a G&G m14.

Nope, 40,000 isn't a lot, and I didn't say it was. However, I use a large number of guns on a rotating basis, so no 1 gun sees a ton of rounds every week as a result. The point I made was that 40,000 is just breaking in that particular classicn versus already having to replace parts on an AEG. 500,000 rounds on an AEG? Right. Not without replacing the hopup bucking every 35000-50000 rounds. And the motor burning clean through brushes....oooh, what? 75,000-100,000 rounds? And relubing the mechbox. And replacing the pistonhead oring which will wear down.

I still dont quite understand how this gun with 300fps can outrange a AEG shooting 400fps..

This gun as in Escort MP5? Well, for starters it shoots more in the 320fps range....it will not outrange a long inner-barreled AEG which I'm pretty sure I stated earlier in this thread, but it will range right there with a 400fps/.2g M4-barrel length type of AEG. One thing to consider is that higher-pressure gas accelerates in the direction it can to equalize with the atmosphere more or less. BB hits AEG hopup, it starts slowing down. In classics with LRBs for example, it doesn't hit a hopup bucking and the gas is accelerating still, so BB doesn't lose energy like on AEG.

Yes i know this isnt quite a GBB, but what makes the other classics so darn interesting if they dont "kick". I am fimiliar with how most classics are rigged up, but thanks for sharing anyway.

What isn't a GBB? It isn't a GBB pistol with the gas in the mag, but it is GBB driven by external gas with cycling bolt.

Other classics? Like a BV gun for example? Let's use Asahi M60 or FNC as an example. With LRB in it, it will outrange equivalent or even greater muzzle energy AEGs. It will require basically no maintanance, save cleaning the barrel every few thousand rounds and applying a bit of silicone oil to the gas input every so often. The only thing worth worrying about failing is an oring, which costs literally pennies to replace compared to AEG parts. Technically, you can fire as many rounds as you want continous, as long as you have gas supply and ammo supply.

 

Most important. Are there any problems with this gun shooting 1,000 round bursts?

Edit: One more thing. How can we expect this gun to compare to an upgraded SP, or a shoei mp44? Both cost more(upgrades included) if its just stock?

Bold above.

The other stuff was answered already it appears.

anything requiring taking a gun apart will have end users returning them to retailers, pretty much regardless of how easy it is to fix, most end users dont have the confidence to break down a rifle, and most retailers void warrenties if the end user opens them, so they really dont have a choice.

Yeah....you didn't seem to get the point. They had to be returned. That is ######-poor.

I can right now, but I dont send free product to *explitive*

Very mature. The smilie face was meant to make is acceptable and defendable to a mod?

Don't talk the talk if you cannot back it up.

LRB's have nothing to do with this topic as they arent compatable with escort guns to my knowledge though, that thread was just the first example I found, so I used it.

Don't bring something up that isn't relevent then. Unless you were trying to pass off to people that you had knowledge of something and then are backtracking when it is shown you do not.

what does me making LRB's have anything to do with any of that...?

all of the issues I posted, happen, regardless if my interpritation of the issue is right or not.

Your interpretation has been a consistent issue through this thread.

try building weakness into the system (usually piston) instead of reinforcing everything, may have to break down the gun a little more often but its much much cheaper than what youve posted.

ROFLMAO! Thank you! You just showed everyone why classics have an advantage over AEGs. No need to break them down all the time to replace $10-$30 pistons! Well-done. We have now come full-circle.

Did you read that advice on some forum somewhere? Sheesh, talk about insulting someone's intelligence.

you know trying to bypass the word filter with clever mispellings may earn you a vacation

You aren't a mod, so don't sweat it.

[Hustie]

Sweet Jesus that was hard to read!

Anyway, I am wondering, since LRB's tend to be pooping up, do the escort MP5's come with LRB?

And also, whats to stop someone from sticking an LRB into an AEG or sniper rifle?

[TDS]

austin

 

if you put a few spaces or an empty line after your tags, they should work, unless you are using the wrong bracket and I cant see it.

 

hustie: no

 

an LRB in an aeg or normal gas rifle wont work as well as a BV-gun (what they are generally used for) because the bb doesnt get "Fired" into the barrel, and the barrel doesnt move.

 

a hop barrel does have some advantages over a normal hop, they usually give more range, but worse groupings, and there is no hop rubber to break down, but they arent adjustable.